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Published: Monday, Nov. 4 2013 6:10 p.m. MST

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TruthBTold
SLC, UT

I'm dismayed how the public is easily swayed by inaccurate and incomplete information that is readily available.

When I read the article this morning, I thought I recognized this doctor's name (I have no affiliation with Cache Valley). Sure enough, a quick internet search and here it is, a DN article when the Riley Nelson x-fer to BYU debacle occurred. The article is: "Found: A physician friend of the Nelsons speaks out, By Dick Harmon, Tuesday, June 3, 2008". In this article Dr. Goble, an Orthopedic Surgeon, who's a personal family friend of Dr. Nelson (Riley & Chase's father) adamantly defending the family. This relationship alone puts his recent letter to the UHSAA, and it's motives into deep question.

I've seen the YouTube Video and in no way does Nelson show any signs of pain or a reflexive kick. In fact, he walks off without a limp.

With more searching I found better footage from FOX 13, where a cameraman is directly behind the EZ & players, clearly showing Nelson stand straight up, stare directly at the tackler, and confirms kicking his foot at his face. Clear intent, a Flagrant Personal Foul worthy of ejection.

Check the facts.

Cache Valley1
Logan, UT

Dear UHSAA, does this mean you're now the judge, jury, AND doctor? The way you have completely dismissed medical advice and opinion sets a very dangerous precedent for your future and the future of what you have set as the example for the coaches in the state of Utah.

IRS Agent
PROVO, UT

I believe that the natural response to pain is to "pull" away from the source, not "push" your limb toward it. The body's natural reflex is to pull back toward the core as a defense mechanism. Even an injured animal will recoil first and then lash out in fear, anger, aggression, etc.

papi_chulo
Ogden, UT

UHSAA won't overturn it because it wasn't the East High QB that did it or the Bingham QB...typical UHSAA.

common twit
Salt Lake City, UT

Believe me when I say I don't want to defend officials or the UHSAA. That being said, I see plenty of flaws with the Logan side. First, Nelson was taken to a doctor for an MRI by monday morning. The only way you can get in that soon is if it is a "favorable" doctor. My son had a broken arm and the hospital did not even put on a cast until the radiology could look at the xrays. Which was two days later. And that was not on a weekend. Second, if this kid is hurt, why is he even thinking about playing? In spite of what CV1 says, this kid is in high school. He should not be out risking more injury. If he was making millions, I would say play maybe. Third, Logan comes off as a bit whiney. They have had a fabulous season. Losing a player or a game does not change that.

just sayin'
Woods Cross, UT

Logan thinks they're above the rules! Let him play. They are not winning it anyways so it will be mute once they lose at RES. It will come down to Timpview and WX winner which I'm riding with my CATS!!

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

An Injury? Whatever! Look at it this way, you have a team, it is not one guy. So go win the game, which I think Logan will anyway. And look at it this way. Your QB gets a week off to let that injury heal up going into the Semi's. What a break for Logan to have this happen.

UtahDodgerFan
Bountiful, UT

Sounds like Nelson is a hot head if this was his SECOND flag in the game. Most kids don't get one 15 yarder in a game but he went all out for a second one. Football is a team sport. When one person thinks its all about him, u got trouble.

pleblian
salt lake city, utah

since I am not a doctor, I'll defer to one. But let's assume the injury is real as described. Are you arguing the injured player tried to kick another player (after scoring a touchdown) with his injured knee?

Seriously?

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

After further video review. I have seen the video. Take a seat young man, we will see you next week. He kicks the kid or towards him, the flags get thrown, then he puts his hand on the kid to suggest he is sorry and to maybe get out of the flag that was already thrown.

And an injury...that is just laughable. He sure seems to be moving alright before and after the play. The hot head got caught and deserves the punishment. Take a seat.

I hope Olympus somehow wins, and this kid is the reason. This Nelson kids has been looked at as a leader for a couple of years now, so act like one. Don't be like your brother kid. Keep it together, it will only help you and your team in the long run.

The53
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

So much for the other 10 guys on the field. I guess Nielson blocks for himself, catches his passes from himself and takes the handoffs from himself. The fact of the matter is, there are 10 other guys on the field, that's why it's a TEAM sport. If Olympus loses then they lose to a quality TEAM that is 11-0, if they win then they beat a quality opponent, period. Logan still beat a very good Bountiful team without Nielson, the score was as close without him as it was with him. These two teams have played very similar opponents with similar outcomes. Olympus lost to a good Corner Canyon team by a point and hasn't looked back since. With or without Nielson Logan has it's hands full, as does Olympus. This will be a great test for both teams. I pick Olympus to win it close.

CheetahMahi
Salt Lake City, UT

It's too bad Logan can't be at their best during all playoff games. I hope they make it past Olympus, so we can see the only undefeated teams in 4A match up.

Braxton
ogden, ut

He reached down to grab his knee in pain right after he kicked it forward. I thought his Dad is an orthopedic surgeon? He is probably shaking his head in embarrassment at the doctor saying ACL contusion..... There is no such a thing. Contusion to a bone yes tendon no. Either poor reporting on Phibbs and Donaldson or the Dr. Needs to go back to school.

Tenn12
Orem, UT

I find it ironic that the very same coach (Favero) was so very outspoken about the UHSAA and how they were gutless and wouldn't stand by the letter of the law and their own rules last year, but yet is now asking for appeals and exceptions. I don't know whether Nelson's injury is truly the reason for the kicking motion because it can't be proven. I do wonder though if it's better for the kid's health for him to sit. If he's injured and because of the injury and pain associated with it, can't control things like what just happened, isn't he a hazard for himself and other players? I would be concerned about his health if I was his coach. I hope to see Logan win and play East at full strength because it would be exciting. But I do understand why the UHSAA stood their ground.

n8rix
Gilbert, AZ

Something does not feel right about what is happening here. I have a hunch there is more to the story than we are being told. East High is cheering hard for Olympus this week.

Braxton
ogden, ut

After a bit more research. Nelson is an orthopedic surgeon. He practiced under Goble who is quoted in this article. I'm guessing poor reporting by Phibbs and Donaldson. I do question if he has a possible tear why his Dad and Goble would clear him to play. SMH. Not sure i want them touching my knee.

podunk utah
DRAPER, UT

even if Logan manages a win against Olympus, East will pulverize them the following week

NT
SomewhereIn, UT

@IRS Agent

"Based on the severity of the injury described by the medical professional, it sounds like he should probably sit out a game so as not to risk further injury. I can't imagine a coach with so much concern over his player being hurt would jeopardize his well being by subjecting him to further injury. Sounds like the decision made by the officials is immaterial. The coach would obviously put the kid's safety first anyway."

Sounds like you would agree, then, that the final decision to allow the athlete to play should be with the coach and the medical professional - and NOT the UHSAA. I would agree with that viewpoint.

NT
SomewhereIn, UT

@KimmyP

"The coach and doctor's motives need to be reviewed, what they seem to be saying is: "the knee is injured, so let him play"."

No, actually what they are saying is that the "kick" was a reaction to pain and that the suspension should be overturned. After, you can draw your own conclusions or pass whatever judgment on the coach/doctor if they were to give the green light to allow Nelson to play.

Interpret how you will, but don't put words in their mouths.

johnny pigskin
Sandy, UT

Go Olympus! No one is given you much credit, and if you win it is because there qb is out? What happened to next man up? Maybe the Logan back up will suprise some people? A win is a win, No excuses.

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