Here's a thought: despite 15 picks in 4 PAC-12 games, the Utes have had
legitimate shots at coming out with a victory in every game except the SC
no-show.Maddening to think that had they given up 7 or even 8 picks
in 4 games, the Utes could easily have been 8-0, or 7-1 at this point.The refining process has been both exciting and devastating. All letdowns
aside, I like the direction the Utes are headed.
Solomon Levi,If playing in any given bowl and a decent record were
the objectives for Utah, we'd go independent and just schedule byu 12 times
a year.But some teams like to have a meaningful season and not have
their quest for anything significant end after 1 game(like you did with
TanMan_101Number of bowl wins BYU has in the last 4 years: FOURNumber of bowl wins Utah has in the last 4 years: TWOChances to
play in a bowl this year:BYU: 100%Utah: less than 50% (even with a
6-6 record, there's no guarantee)
Chris BDespite your frantic attempt to claim otherwise, head-to-head
results are meaningless when predicting results versus common opponents.Stanford lost to Utah, but beat Oregon State and UCLA.Utah
beat Stanford, but lost to Oregon State and UCLA.See the
correlation?That's right, there isn't any.
sammygSpringville, UT'Utes looking to pick up the pace on
picks.'"Eight of first ten comments by BYU fans..."
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah!With a story headline like that what do you poor
oversensitive Ute fans expect? -----------------Class,
from a fan base that call out others.
@TatorsNumber of wins Utah has against BYU in the last 4 years? 4Number of BCS conference invites Utah 1 BYU- Big fat zero.
'Utes looking to pick up the pace on picks.'"Eight of
first ten comments by BYU fans..." Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah!With a
story headline like that what do you poor oversensitive Ute fans expect? The question has been asked, "First, if you have no need to compare
yourself against Utah, why are you here on a Ute thread?"U90,
here's my unsolicited reply...Because it's fun to yank Ute
fans and I'm not comparing anything. You do recall the
circumstances that BYU's current QB ended his season on the most idiotic
call of all times and the subsequent roasting of the coaches etc. and predicted
continued ineptness of that and Taysom's long and questionable road to
recovery and predicted averageness this season? You do remember all of this
correct?So pardon me for saying that our QB has now risen from the
ashes of those that burned him and the BYU coaches since that time and is
currently smoking your QB.Yeah, a headline about the poor Ute picks
might garner a few comments.I'm watching more and more PAC 10
football. I'm liking most of the teams, even the Buffs.Go Sun
With byu's inability to beat Utah, and Utah's inability to beat most
pac 12 teams(other than top 10 powerhouse otherwise undefeated Stanford), it
begs the question: Would byu win a single game if we invited them(We wont) to
the Pac 12?
@ U90FYI the SOS rankings include the teams from the whole years schedule
i.e. Oregon, ASU, WSU, and Colorado are already figured into that number. Most
likely the Utes schedule will stay the same unless Utah's opponents begin
@U90I am sorry but your argument of a MUCH tougher schedule is not as
legit as you say.ESPN has BYU at #12 SOS ahead of almost all the power
conference teamsUtah is #2 SOS which I think is awesome.But against
the #12 schedule to have a record of 6-2 is pretty awesome for a
"mid-major"Utah's 4-4 record I think is really respectable.
If they win 3 out of the next 4 then I think it will be a successful season. 6-6
would be respectful but the way the bowl season is shaking out may not get Utah
into a bowl game (if they make 6 wins I hope they make a bowl).I will add
this because it is my and the experts opinion BYU is the better team this year
(yes I know that Utah beat BYU), but the Utes have sadly regressed to a poor
team (I think they can improve and be good again). BYU has steadily
improved to become a good team on the fringe of a top-25 ranking. (yes they had
two losses but that was a long time ago)
@ Truth "Losing a couple of early season games to lesser teams isn't
even close to as embarrassing as finishing with a losing record and no bowl for
the 2nd straight year"First of all I didn't know Utah was
out of the bowl picture at 4-4 with 4 games to go. Second, how do you figure
Utah is a lesser team vs. BYU when the Cougars have lost to them 4 years in a
row?Truth, do you even consider the schedule BYU played last year
becoming bowl eligible by beating an assortment of rag tag teams yet losing to
Utah once again. Do you also consider Utah's #3 schedule which will be the
#1 schedule a week from Saturday? You have nothing to support BYU is the better
team other than your dreams.
U 90FICTION: Utah is 4-4 with a MUCH tougher schedule than BYU.FACT: Utah is 4-4 with a slightly tougher schedule than BYU, #4 versus #21.National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0Heisman Trophy
winnersBYU 1Utah 0National College Football Hall of Fame
PlayersBYU 6Utah 0AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 511+ Win SeasonsBYU 11 (including 3 during the
Bronco/Kyle era)Utah 2 (including 1 during the Bronco/Kyle era)10+ Win SeasonsBYU 16 (including 5 during the Bronco/Kyle era)Utah
6 (including 3 during the Bronco/Kyle era)Losses to 10+ Loss
TeamsBronco 0Kyle 2Conference ChampionshipsBronco
2Kyle 1Current Bowl Winning StreakBronco 4Kyle
1Current number of seasons BYU has finished with a better record AND
higher ranking than Utah... 2 and counting.Overall number of seasons
Bronco has finished with a better record AND higher ranking than Kyle... 5 of 8
@ Utes-Best Lil Brothers "BYU is the standard against which everything
Utah does must be compared..." Says the BYU fan on the Utah
thread. First, if you have no need to compare yourself against Utah, why are
you here on a Ute thread? Second, in order to be considered big brother you
have to actually beat little brother on the field. Ooops
Snack PACI've seen various bowl prognosticators projecting
Washington, USC, Arizona, or Oregon State as opponents for BYU in the Fight
Hunger Bowl.-------------U 90Losing a couple
of early season games to lesser teams isn't even close to as embarrassing
as finishing with a losing record and no bowl for the 2nd straight year.-------------red.diehard"Can't" is
a gross overstatement. If "can't" is defined as losing four in a
row, then the Utes might as well not even bother showing up for the Arizona
State game on Saturday, since the Sun Devils have beaten the Utes NINE times in
a row (since 1977, when ASU was still in the WAC), including two blowout wins
since the Utes joined the PAC 12.
Eight of first ten comments by BYU fans. The infatuation with Utah
continues.Tators, Utah is 4-4 with a MUCH tougher schedule than BYU.
If BYU was the better team why didn't the great Van Noy, Hoffman and Hill
pull out the W on their home field against the Utes? Do you think Utah's
#3 SOS has anything to do with their 4-4 record vs. BYUs 6-6 record?Number of bowl games last 10 years: BYU 8, Utah 9 BCS Bowl Wins:
BYU 0, Utah 2BYU Head to head record vs Utah: 0-4, 3-9, 34-57Wins against top 10 ranked teams this year: BYU 0, Utah 1Losses to 2-7 teams this year: BYU 1, Utah 0 Number of
consecutive years BYU has owned the softer schedule vs. Utah... 3 and counting
Nikeboy1101"Why are we always comparing Utah vs. BYU."Because BYU is the standard against which everything Utah does must be
compared before it can be considered an accomplishment - see Little Brother
Syndrome.By definition, Utah can't move on without abandoning
all hope of ever accomplishing anything ever again.
@Riddles in the Dark@TatorsYep, national power that still
can't beat the Utes.
Tators,When did Bronco beat Miami?LOL!
Truth Machine,How embarrassing would it be to lose to a team like
Utah... or even 2-7 Virginia who will finish the season 2-10. That would be
The biggest problem I see is a definite lack of talent in some key areas
(Defensive backfield being one of them). Other PAC-12 teams have defenders -
with size and speed - who are covering opposing receivers and can make plays on
the ball. Getting near the ball will give them a better chance at an
interception. Ute D-backs are usually getting beat off the line in press
coverage and either run into each other or seem lost when trying to play zone
converage. Even in Nickel and Dime packages, there are often huge holes. Each
game there are huge blown coverages that results in a big play for our
opponents.We could get by with 5-foot 9-inch corners that are sloppy
tacklers in the Mountain West, but it won't cut it in the PAC-12.
SI's Stewart Mandel: PAC 12 bowl pecking order and projectionsBCS Championship - Oregon (BCS No. 2)Rose Bowl - Stanford (BCS
at-large)Alamo Bowl - UCLA (Pac-12 No. 2)Holiday Bowl - Arizona
State (Pac-12 No. 3)Sun Bowl - Washington (Pac-12 No. 4)Las Vegas
Bowl - USC (Pac-12 No. 5)Fight Hunger Bowl - Arizona (Pac-12 No. 6)New Mexico Bowl - Oregon St. (Pac-12 No. 7)No mention of Utah.
Why are we always comparing Utah vs. BYU. Who cares what the team down south
does?? We beat them AGAIN so let's move on.
Chris BUnfortunately for U, despite your desperate, cherry-picked
stats and spin, the rest of the country isn't nearly as impressed with U,
as U are.Current Rankings: BCS, AP, Coaches, Harris,
Sagarin, CPU Avg, CBSSports, ESPN Power, Composite(105 rankings)BYU(6-2) 27, 28, 29, 21, 19, 21, 26, 27, 19Utah(4-4) 45, ur, ur, ur, 65,
44, 45, ur, 39Bottom line:BYU has a better record AND is
ranked an average of 20 places HIGHER than the Utes.BYU has already
secured a berth in the Fight Hunger Bowl, and still has an outside shot at a BCS
bowl.Utah is desperately clinging to an outside shot at qualifying
for the New Mexico Bowl, or worse.
@Chris BYou make me laugh. I am sure glad I dont support the utes,
the utes get a bad name becasue of fans like you!
Tators,So since you're claiming byu beat BCS bowl
participants(in the years they WERENT bcs bowl participants), should Utah be
bragging about being the best team in the nation since we beat Alabama a few
years ago and they're the now two time reigning national champion?LOL!Here is a clue:Beating a BCS bowl participant IN
THE YEAR they are a BCS bowl participant is better than beating such team in a
down year when they aren't a BCS Bowl participant.LOLNice spin though.
Tators,LOL!Kyle beat two BCS Bowl partipants IN THE YEAR
they were BCS Bowl teams.LOL!Nice spin though.Alabama was a BCS bowl participant WHEN we beat them.Stanford will
likely be a BCS Bowl team this year, meaning we beat them IN THE YEAR they were
a BCS bowl team.Number of times Bronco has beaten a BCS bowl team in
the year they went to the BCS Bowl?Zero!In other words,
how many end of season top 10 ranked teams has Bronco beaten?ZERO!Kyle already has 1, and likely Stanford as another.Isn't it funny your coach talks of winning national titles, and yet
he's NEVER beaten an end of season top 10 team?LOL
StGtoSLCHow embarrassing to be beating your chest about an
interception coming on a desperation heave on the final play of the game.In truth, Utah's 117th in the country interception ranking is even
more pathetic than it appears on paper.
@ChrisHouston, Texas, Wisconsin, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech could
all end up in BCS bowls this year. Two of those teams control their destiny
(Houston and Texas) just needing to win out. The others have a little harder
time getting there. Congrats to Utah on the big Stanford win this
@ Chris B:Another one of your untruths needs to be corrected...
again:You said that Kyle has beaten 2 former BCS bowl participants
(Alabama, Stanford) and Bronco 0.But actually, Bronco has beaten 3 former
BCS bowl participants (Miami, Oklahoma, and Texas).Also, BYU did
beat another former BCS bowl participant (Notre Dame) the last time they
played... in 2004.
@ Chris B:Number of times BYU has gone to bowl games the past 7
years... 7 (and counting).Number of times Utah has gone to bowl games the
past 2 years... 0 (counting this season).Number of current
consecutive wins BYU currently has... 5.Number of current consecutive wins
Utah currently has... 0.BYU's current season record... 6-2.Utah's current season record... 4-4.BYU's average
quarterback rating over the past several games... 130+.*Utah's
average quarterback rating over the past several games... 30+*
BYU's qb current national ranking in all-purpose yards: 6th
Utah's qb current ranking in all-purpose yards (or anything else):
Couldn't find it. Number of consecutive years BYU has ended the
season nationally ranked better than Utah... 3 and counting.
How embarrassing it must be to root for a team that three three times as many
interceptions in ONE GAME as their defense has collected in the ENTIRE SEASON.
We need to hear from Chris B about this... in order to put an entirely new,
unthought of spin on the issue. A spin that tells us the Utes are always great
no matter what. After all, they do belong to a prestigious conference. And let's not forget "No matter how bad we are, you're
worse." A true intellectual football gem if ever we've heard one. Mark it down.
Well said STGtoSLC,We aren't very good this year, other than
our top 10 win against Stanford, who will likely END the season in the top 10.
And yet, we still managed to beat our two WAC brothers byu and usu.And I'll point out its also likely Stanford will go to a BCS bowl, which
means Whittingham will have beaten TWO BCS bowl participants(Alabama,
Stanford).Number of BCS bowl participants Bronco has beaten?Zero!
How embarrassing it must be to root for a team that threw one of those two
"The Utes enter Saturday’s game against Arizona State tied for 117th
in the nation with just two picks."So Travis threw three times
as many picks in ONE game versus UCLA, as Utah's defense has snagged the
Wait a minute, I thought that Utah lead the pac in picks.....oh that was by
their opponents, My bad. ASU 53 utah 13