We keep the two party system, everyone loses. Those brought forward by either
party are owned BY that party, to run for specific positions, not by his
qualifications. All but several Politicians in office today are there to do what
their party tells them to do. Who do you think has put America in the position
it is in now ? Anyone else besides the Republican and Democratic parties? Has
ANY ONE of them come out and exposed the corruption in our Federal Government?
Of course not because they are a party to it. Have ANY ONE of the pressed the
Constitutionality of all of the laws that are stripping us of our Constitutional
freedoms? Of course not, let alone Government agencies (over 1300) that should
not even exist or that the Federal Reserve is a private corporation not a Fed.
Agency. We need a third party folks.
Flip. Flop. Flip. Flop. Typical Romney. I thank everything that is holy
that he isn't in the White House.
Obama and Reid were the bullheaded leaders that would not do what has been done
in the past negotiate and compromise. Obama and Reid refused to give the house
any input and just said its my way or the highway. They shut the government down
but the media is so invested in Obama they refused to report the facts.
MRKJ, I trust your little diatribe helps you feel better about your current
Mayhem...so you think it was a "distinguished" thing to do to label
Christie as "puffer fish"? Was it "distinguished" for his son
to come out the day after the loss and say well my mother and I didn't
really want him to take the job in the first place...after the countless hours
his volunteers put in tirelessly? To me it was a slap in the face. I voted for
him but I believe it was his race to lose and he did with bad
choices...including too many people like his kids who didn't know what they
were doing. He should have hired the Huntsman girls who seem to have more
political savvy than his kids.
@GandalfYou didn't address the comment about Obama's
dishonesty. This president has said more than 47 times "If you like your
health care you can keep your health care, period!" That has proven to be a
totally dishonest statement when the Federal Register said that between 40 and
67 percent of those could not.Stay on subject...
Did Romney say he would have initiated a Federal requirement for everyone to
have insurance with no pre-existing conditions? I didn't see the full quote
in this article. If so where is the difference when we are being forced to buy
something regardless if its from the Federal or State Government. The Commerce
Clause comes to mind? I am more convinced everyday that my decision to join the
Constitution Party has been the right decision.
Tea in Tea party means . Taxed enough already. I for one stand with said party
because I can not afford to pay more taxes.
More from a chameleon whose colors change with what the perceives voters want -
even turning socialist - "I had a very conservative platform . . . My own
plan was to say to each state, 'You've got a requirement to move to a
point where all your people are insured. . .' "
Thanks you for your contribution msc. If the system would allow it, I, too,
think that there should be considerable house cleaning in Washington. Though,
considering the nature of the electorate, it is not likely that we will get
exactly what you suggested. Too many people have eaten from the Democrat trough
and will always support them in order to keep the entitlements flowing.
"when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you will always have a friend in Paul".
NeilT, the TEA Party didn't exist when Obama was first sworn in. He and
the other Socialists helped create their own nemesis and now conveniently use
them as scapegoats for their own failed policies and agenda.
Romney was better than obama. But a Rino. sorry to tell you. I didn't think
he was dynamic enough. And failed miserably to attack Obama. You have to be a
freedom fighter to see what Obama stands for. A need to point out the
ideological defects was not there. No one seems to want to do this other than
the Tea Party. We need a fighter. Romney is not a fighter. He's a lover.
For some reason no one wants to attack Obama. Is it because he's half
black? Isn't FREEDOM worth fighting for. We need a general, OAKS is my
I wish we could start from scratch and boot all the current office holders out
of D.C. and bring in a whole new crop of representatives and Senators who will
truly work for the American people and uphold the Constitution. I don't
care about Party affiliation as much as I care about patriotism and honesty and
morality. I don't think morality should be legislated, but I do think those
who hold office should have a strong moral compass by which they make their
decisions and determinations. I love this country and believe we should elect
those who also love this country and aren't afraid to uphold the
Constitution and put the needs of this country and it's citizens before
their personal agenda.
Romney didn't say how he would deal with Democrats stonewalling and
refusing to negotiate the budget. Most likely he would have done the same thing
Orrin Hatch did -- ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.I am sick and tired of
"politics as usual." Americans deserve honesty and integrity in our
leaders, not candidates that make promises they have no intention of keeping and
purposely lying. Romney is wrong that we need "moderate"
Republican candidates. Democrats are taxing and spending America into
extinction. We need hard-nosed politicians, like Lee and Cruz, who are willing
to fight for America. And then their is a media that fails to vet
politicians and hold them to their word. Case in point, it is disingenuous for
papers, such as the Deseret News, to insinuating that the Republican hardline
approach caused a "near-default on the nations debt." Anyone that
believes government needs to borrow trillions of dollars each year to pay our
bills is a fool. The media should never be a sounding board for such lies and
deception. Lack of accountability and balanced journalism is part of
the problem. Do your job!
There are those in other places in our world who are feeding the hate in America
in a subtle way, and in a way where they cannot be traced.These people
are standing on the sidelines watching how we are learning to malign and hate
those who used to be our friends, neighbors, and acquaintances.A large
number of America's powerful politicians, and well know radio hosts are
only looking to strengthening their own egos and wealth.There will be no
more planes flown into buildings. Those who want to see our country fail have
only to whisper rumor, anger and distrust in the appropriate places to bolster
the flames of our country's destruction.America is destroying itself
to it's core from within with the help of numerous outside sources.Strange that more citizens cannot see this truth.
Romney - He answers to the bankers and would be just another yes man to do
their biddingTeaParty is about returning our government to following
the Constitution as the law of the land and protect our precious liberties and
freedoms , something that Bush or Obama know nothing about ie - Democrat or
RepublicanThey fear the message of the Tea Party catching on -
imagine if Washington was govern by the Constitution - No Obama Care ( But
Health Reform would be done the right way ) No anti - American legislation like
the Patriot Act & NDAA Bill. Manufacturing jobs brought back to America ,
Illegal Immigration is against the law ( as it truly is ) Abolish the IRS ,
Completely downsize all Government and return State's their Constitutional
Rights and quit being the world's policeman. The State Run Media will
continue to spread their propaganda about the Tea Party as if the masses really
found out about what the Tea Party is really about - O Boy!
I have never seen such hypocrisy and polarization in our political system. The
tea party has done everything in their power to destroy Obama from the day he
took the oath of office. Conservative talk radio pundits spew vitriol and hate.
I will never forget the day Sean Hannity ranted about how uncivil the left is
and then referred to our vice-president as 'that old Geezer." Turn
on Rush Limbaugh and all you hear is Obama did this, Obama said that.
Regardless of your political stripes I don't believe Obama deserves to be
vilified the way he has been. With that said I didn't vote for him and I
don't consider myself liberal. If America falls it will be due political
parties and extreme partisanship, not socialism. One last thought for the tea
party to invoke Reagan is pure hypocrisy. If Reagan were alive today he would
be labeled a rino and never survived the primaries.
To all those so anxious to answer the question about Cruz's citizenship:
were you correcting people who posed identical questions about Obama's
citizenship?I know for a fact that some of the posters who rose to
defend Cruz here have spread falsehoods and conspiracy theories about Obama on
the pages of the DN over the past few years.
Mitt Romney's support of Chris Christie is one of the more level headed
comments he's made lately. As a former Republican (now independent
conservative), I think Chris Christie appears to have more to offer than the
other Republican hopefuls. I would love to see Jon Huntsman run as his Vice
Presidential running mate. Until the Republican party puts up some better
candidates (such as Christie and Huntsman) they won't have a change against
the likes of Hillary Clinton!
Dishonest? that are not a big deal, a criminals who broke a many Law or ignore,
nothing care, win with fraud and lie,now was said he enjoy kill peoples, a guy
who can't prove are legal president and citizen, no honest, and NOT respect
any Law, doing a dirty business, that guy must fired and jail, and all Dems was
support him fired too permanent time from politic and jail too.
@DGDENTONYou are exactly right. The Democratic Party, empowered by
Obama and Reed has shifted to the extreme Left, and much of the GOP has
followed. Bill Clinton during his Presidency would now represent mainstream
Republicanism. The Tea Party essentially represents mainstream Reagan
conservatism. Those ideals haven't gone anywhere. Indeed, Democrats have
become extreme. Most of them have no problem being referred to as Socialists.
It didn't used to be that way. I just pray it is not too late to rescue
this country from its downward spiral.
@JLFuller I think you are mistaken. It is the Democrats, progressives, and
liberals of the country who are trying to force their social agenda on everybody
else. The Tea Party is for fiscal responsibility and adherence to
Who really cares what Mitt Romney thinks? He lost. Enough said.
OwlSalt Lake City, UTMitt Romney's insights are helpful.
Universal and affordable health care are a given but Mr. Obama seems to blame
Romneycare for his own mistakes. The tragically partisan fashion in which the
ACA was formed......Untrue -- Obama made a fool of himself, asking
over and over and over for the republicans to contribute to and improve
the legislation, until it became clear that their interest in having him fail
was more important than their duty, or than helping keep Americans healthy.
Obamacare was wrong, and so was the tea party for trying to stop it?
MAYHEM MIKESalt Lake City, UT@Gandalf: Your dredging up
Romney's so-called "dishonesty" (which you haven't a shred of
evidence for).....Really? One does not need to rehash the facts, that
Romney changed positions as often as his shirt, to please whatever situation he
needed to conquer.I weep when I realize we could have had a
distinguished, competent and transparent American President capable of
"reaching across the aisle" instead of the pick of the low-information
electorate......"low information electorate"??? Should we banish
Congress & elections, then institute a House of Lords to tell us what is
good for us?
re:UtahBlueDevil2010 wasn't just a congressional landslide for
conservative candidates - it was also governor races nation wide and also state
legislators. You make it sound like the 2010 election was a small trickle which
is nonsense. Where were you??? Leading up to the the election were town hall
meetings if your recall where the anger nationwide was so against
democrat's and moderate Republicans (such as our Bob Bennett from Utah)
that the town hall forum was finally abandoned by the "frightened
politicians" who were running like scared rabbits. Nancy Pelosi - as you
recall - laughed at the notion of losing the House and her speakership. Loved
the day after look of this woman - like a woman standing in a supermarket
checkout line who had lost her wallet. The POINT here is it was the Tea Party
that caused the victory and nothing more or less. Yes your "hated" Tea
Party full of hard working, tax paying, patriotic Americans who wanted their
country back from the radicals.
I honestly don't think Obama lied intentionally about keeping your
insurance. But I do think he is so caught up in ramming his agenda through and
arrogantly maintaining his image of being all powerful and cool to boot that he
just never gave it much thought. He obviously never read the document or
pondered the consequences or listened to any advisors that saw the train wreck
coming and said, " This ain't going to be pretty. " It was all
about forcing the law no matter what, no matter any possible negative
consequences. I think he's just too proud to ever admit he was wrong.
He's trying to fundamentally weaken our beloved country. And doing it
shamelessly just because he thinks he can. I suggest anyone wondering to go back
and watch 2016 or read Obama's America and think about how this is playing
out. Everything he has done fits perfectly with the notion that he is attempting
to undo the US as the superpower of the world. He's driving us to ruin.
Civility is something that is lacking in our political dialogue. This is due to
the 24 hour news cycle that encourages sensationalised sound bite journalism on
politics. Stations play to the lowest common denominator now rather than have
meaningful discussions. Unfortunately politicians follow this path in order to
get coverage/votes. We need to stop our mudslinging and gutter political culture
and work together from the bottom up. Stop putting all this negative energy into
politics and start solving problems. Both sides are as a bad as each other and
they know it. We need to support our President whether it is Reagan, Bush,
Clinton, Obama, Romney ,Rubio, Christie or Huntsman because at the end of the
day whoever gets voted in what America wanted. 'United' States not
observer50kaysville, UTto James D. MorrisonTEd Cruz was an
U.S. citizen at birth, due to his mother's citizenship.1:13
p.m. Nov. 4, 2013============ And yet Obama somehow
can't be a U.S citizen - due to his mother [from Kansas] U.S.
citizenship?Let alone also being born in Hawaii??Talk about
George W was a centrists who attempted to "reach across the aisle" in a
spirit of political harmony. He appointed Democrats to positions, worked with
Ted Kennedy on the "No Child Left Behind" legislation, and tried to make
nice with the media. We know where that got him. He is reviled as am extremist
and continues to be the whipping boy for the Dems. The RINOs had control of the
Presidency and both houses of Congress. Still, the Democrats ran the
government! I'm through with "compromise" and ready to ram the Tea
Party down the throats of the Democrats who are the real extremists. The Tea
Party is the real moderates!
Romney's remarks remind me how fortunate we are that this man was never
elected president, nor will he ever. Romney dares to criticize Obama's
honesty? When Romney couldn't even be honest with himself. He was a
Massachusetts moderate Republican who cow-towed to the tea party and to the
worst elements of his party, he campaigned hard against Obamacare, which was
modeled on the plan that he had implemented in Massachussets, and he knows what
Obama meant when he said that you could keep your insurance policy. It
wasn't the law that withdrew those policies, but the companies themselves.
@Bruce A. FrankSan Jose, CAI am sorry that Romney does not
recognize that the Conservative/TEA Party movement engenders the self
sufficiency and independence embraced by the historical LDS Church.11:24
a.m. Nov. 4, 2013======= You mean like the historical
LDS Church which;Practiced very Un-orthox Marriages, Pushed
for Freeing the Slaves [not very popular in slave owning Missouri], Gave
Women the right to vote, provided Universal Healthcare,allowed
others to practice who, where, or what they may, [Joseph Smith even calling
himself the 2nd Mohammed] pushed heavily FOR Immigration - even paying
for it, establishing the United Order [a form of Socialism/Communism],I'm sorry, but today's Tea-Party is anything BUT
I like the way you think UtahBruin.
Gandalf the "wizard" is conjuring up all kinds of evil. Lends truth the
statement, "We don't see the world as it is; we see the world as we
The Tea Party basically has 2 main positions. They advocate fiscal
responsibility and adherence to the Constitution.I have an honest
question. How is this extreme?Yet the Liberals and Main Stream Media
have successfully painted this stance as extremist and terrorist. Nothing could
be further from the truth, but then your "heroes" like Obama, Pelosi,
and Reed, really don't care about the truth, do they.Christie
representing the GOP in the next presidential election? Give me a break!! The
Democrats have clearly shown they have absolutely no interest in compromising,
why should we be so willing to elect someone who would be more than willing to
give up the ranch so easily.
I voted for Mitt because I believe we need a technocrat to fix the fiscal mess
the Republicans and Democrats have created. However, blaming the Tea Party is
not justified at least as far as Tea Party version 1.0 is concerned. For those
who do not know what version 1.0 is, let me explain. The first version was
bipartisan and focused just on fiscal issues. Tea Party version 2.0 is the one
where the religious zealots took control and wanted to force their social agenda
on everyone. Version 2.0 can be said to be the child of the ultra conservative
anti-everything that is not like them movement which includes most of the
Evangelical movement and even some LDS.
to James D. MorrisonTEd Cruz was an U.S. citizen at birth, due to his
Obama flat out lied about Obama care. Flat out LIED. Obama care became
"law" under false pretenses. It needs to be repealed, if for no other
reason, because it was sold on a lie. The supreme court bought into the lie
hook, line, and sinker. The Supreme Court was duped by Obama.
Why can't he just go away? And why does this paper keep giving him a
@Mike in SandyAs it really doesn't matter anymore now does it.
But you say "Has anyone seen Mitts Tax Return yet?" Well since he
released them all the way back to 2002, I would have to say yes in answer to
your question.So since I answered yours, why don't you try one
of mine. Has anyone seen Obama's real Birth Certificate yet? I am not
referring to the "Certificate of Live Birth", I am referring to his
Birth Certificate. They are two different documents. And while we are on this.
Has anyone seen Obamas college transcripts yet? I know I haven't because
Obama had them sealed. Hmmmmmmm, who's dishonest again?
Patriot, i am not sure what part of math you don't understand.... but when
you kick out all of the "moderate" Republicans, what is left is a very
small percentage of Americans. 2010 was a mid year election, where voter
turnouts are very low - and 2010 was a poster child for that. It was not a huge
ground swell from the populace. It was a small election where the fringes have
always had more influence.If you think someone like Lee or Cruz is
more electable than a moderate, you are seriously living in a world where you
don't think you need independent voters, you don't need moderate
democrats to cross over like they did for Reagan, and you don't think you
even need moderate Republicans. How you get to 50.1% without any of those
groups, I don't know.It is one thing to be passionate about
your cause. It is another to be living in complete denial. Math is math.... it
doesn't bend to emotion.
Romney is wrong. Last time I checked it was the Tea Party that won the 2010 mid
term elections and NOT the establishment GOP. The establishment GOP will never
win another national election period. The John McCains of the word are out of
touch and much too weak to defeat the radical leftist Democrats. Conservatives
are the only answer going forward and they CAN win as they proved in 2010.
It is too bad the Romney wasn't the candidate with which we could have
defeated Obama. But, much like it has been said that if we had elected McCain we
would be going in the same direction as we are now, only slightly slower,
clearly the same is true about Romney. Oddly the 4 million Conservatives who
stayed home during the Presidential election, which is said would have provided
the votes to elect Romney, had more insight into his true colors than the rest
of us. I am sorry that Romney does not recognize that the
Conservative/TEA Party movement engenders the self sufficiency and independence
embraced by the historical LDS Church. I am sorry to see that a person who has
been so successful in business, and one who has lead such a exemplary moral
life, has not developed the core beliefs that are necessary to lead this
democratic republic. It is really most unfortunate that when, Romney properly
spoke up to criticize the current administration, he so spectacularly reveled
the ultimate character flaw that caused his defeat.
Can someone explain to me how those of us who cannot afford insurance are
"required" to have it ? this is a real question. what happened to
@ pragmatistferlife:You lost all credibility by claiming "280
million people" will get to keep their health insurance and will see some
kind of a premium decrease. Wow. I wished I could tell if you're actually
sincere or are just being sarcastic. If sincere, you qualify to be the next
Obama speechwriter... one who never lets anything as trivial as mere facts get
in the way of an agenda. Obamacare will yet prove to be one of the
greatest train-wrecks to ever come out of Washington DC. At this point,
it's basically a given.So much of the anti-Romney rhetoric in
this comment section helps prove the claim that many Obama backers are
low-information voters. Some of the comments written are just unbelievable in
their level of extreme bias. Such comments make me sincerely worry for the
future of our country. It's possible Mitt Romney may've
been one of the best presidents this country has ever had... as some of his
previous media foes later claimed after actually getting to know the real Mitt.
But it's absolutely unquestionable he would've been much better than
what we currently have.
@T.Party... you said "My message to Barack Obama (and his followers) is:
don't make a promise if you don't intend to keep it."And I completely agree. Sometimes we can't keep promises we intend to
keep, through changing circumstances. But knowingly making a promise or
commitment, when you have no intention of keeping that promise or commitment -
is simply wrong - no matter who - or what party.It is just that
Pots & kettles, Gov. Romneycare. Pots & kettles.
Just wondering...Which Mitt Romney, out of the various selections
available during the previous election period.........is not going to
friendship the Tea Party?
Obama lied about obamacare? Wow! (sarcasem) This is amazing news
except it was the tea party back in 2008-9 that trumpeted the lies the president
sold as fact.Romney is nothing but closet liberal anyways. We
really don't need much advice from a proven loser. He would not know
conservatism if it drove over him. He was busy saying anything he could to
appeal to as many as he could. Ultimately people saw through the bunk and did
not vote for the chameleon.Granted he would he would have been
better than obama but then again that isn't saying much considering how
incompetent this idealogue administration is. Everything is theoretical fantasy
and time after time we see that nothing this administration recommends or
implements actually works.Financial reform? Complete farce.
Corporations now pay to plays as much as ever before and they are bigger than
ever.Healthcare reform? They literally built and intended for this
to fail so they can ram universal healthcare down your throat after it all
collapses.Now he is taking credit for an improving budget
outlook/savings but sequestration which he totally denounced is the only reason
it is improving!!Lies, lies, and more lies.
rvalens2, What he failed to say is that that percentage equates to 15 million
people. That number is not exactly true. No one knows right now what the
number is for people who had individually bought insurance who will have to
change. If it were to climb to 15 million what a horrible
indictment of the old system that allowed 15 million people to buy insurance
that first of all would be canceled the first real claim they had and secondly
covered very little. That kind of coverage works until it doesn't and then
the holders basically join the millions of non insured who were the prime
motivators for the ACA in the first place.
Wow! So much hate directed at the Tea Party by both the Dems and the
establishment GOP. I would expect that from the Dems, but it really exposes
the fact that the rinos are no different from the Dems. That's why they
can't stand the Tea Party. The establishment GOP are making a big mistake
by vilifying their base, but they don't care, not even Romney. They are
fools. The GOP is the only party that forms the firing squad in a circle and
then wonders why they didn't win.
The Tea-Party reminds to much of Monty Python and the Holy Grail --- See as both the loosing Black Knight who thinks he is "invincible" ,
and the villagers trying to burn a young girl (one of their own) for
having a wart therefore being a witch.Keeping going, You
don't realize that the whole world is laughing AT you.
You can blame Obama on the apathy of republican voters. Mitt may not have been
the 'perfect' candidate but he was/is better than the current
president. But because the Republican idealogs stayed home and didn't
vote, they actually cast a vote for Obama. The repubs can't
point fingers at anyone other than themselves!
To: Gandalf...your choice of words speaks loudly as if you are a Democrat . Mitt
Romney was not dishonest - he was truthful and the Democrats don't like the
truth, they prefer to cloud everything over with false pretense and they did do
a good job on Romney and the American people and continue their socialistic
beliefs today. I believe it will not last long. Because of this last debaucle
the American people have had their eyes opened.
Mitt Romney is now in class with Christie, McCain, McConnel, Boehner, etc (well,
honestly, Mitt has been in their class all along - based on his record of flip
flopping and support of big government). I feel better for switching my
"party" affiliation to "Independent" a couple weeks ago. So
disgusted with the Republicans.
bikeboy, Romney is a fiscal conservative. He took a debt of $3 billon in MA and
left them with a $2 billion surplus when he left offive. I am glad
to know you realize Cruz is a RINO. As for McCain, he was never a good candidate
to begin with. The TEA party types ARE our problem. We lack the
votes to win elections on our own and they want to run candidates that are
unapealing to the cross over voters we need to win. Then when the TEA types
don't get their candidate, they then turn around and don't vote for
our candidate. No wonder we lose. Our lack of UNITY is KILLING us.
Given our inter-party division... it is amazing that Romney did as
well as he did. He nearly defeated Obama. He only needed an additional 342,000
votes to win the election. Most of you that criticize Romney don't even
know the election was that close. Romney could be one of our best
Presidents. I know one thing, short of another run by Romney, which
he has currently ruled out, we are dead in the water for 2016. We have no one.
Destroyed? How come he didn't win?
Mrkj, You do realize that Obama will have added more debt by the time he leaves
office that the first 43 Presidents combined. Obama has no plan to fix our
MIke in Sandy, Oh yeah... you mean the debate where Romney DESTROYED Obama
!!!!!! EPIC. Obama should have stayed at home.
I don't worry about Mitt's tax returns or "offshore accounts."
That's his business and between him and the IRS. However, by backing a
RINO liberal like Chris Christie, he's showing just how out-of-touch with
reality he actually is now. The "Tea Party" people seem to be the only
folks working to actually represent American taxpayers and workers, while people
like Mitt live in a world of upper-crust political cronyism.
It was difficult to support McCain and Romney in the last two presidential
elections but they were the least offensive of some terrible choices. I've
concluded the GOP no longer has the necessary grit. If they foist another lame,
soft-headed nominee on us, I guarantee I'll vote Libertarian. Seems the
nation now needs to collapse, a la Greece, strip off major unnecessary
departments, e.g., Education, Energy, Environmental Protection, Commerce, et
al., and simply start over. On the other side of the aisle, dear leader
hasn't the brains (corp., corps, corpse) to lead such a big organization
and seems capable only of reading speeches from teleprompters.
@MIke in Sandy, Mitt released a summary of taxes for 12 years. Btw, just an FYI
theie is no requirement to release tax records.
While I do wish Mitt Romney was the President right now, he was never my first
choice. I am still hanging in there for someone who has read, studies and
understands the constitution to actually STICK TO IT! These moderates will be
shocked when they learn that conservative principles solve a host of problems
for the federal government. They place those problems squarely upon the
shoulders of the states, who can solve them (or ignore them) in their own chosen
way. The citizens can vote with their feet.Mitt, I'm
disappointed. And if you think Chris Christie is a shining light, UGH!
The tea party has been abandoned by the main stream Republicans and is following
the Canadian born Senator leading the radical extreme house.
When one is born in another country and the birth was not recorded (as some
Canadian births in the 1930 era) that person needs to submit proof that their
parents were US citizens. That information is either their birth certificates,
or lacking that, family history and geneology records. AS one who had to prove
citizenship, by family records, one can testify that the process involves
intense scrutiny by US immigration officials before US citizenship is confirmed.
Too many are ignorant of the laws governing citizenship - thus ignorant
statement that Mitt's father was a Mexican citizen.
Mit Romney = 15 Minutes = Over = Go away Mit!
Mike in Sandy,The IRS has seen his returns...and if they
haven't, I'm pretty sure, as Obama's attack dogs, they would have
paid Mitt a visit by now. Stop being silly.
I think there are some selecttive memories at play here. Regardless, the current
president has lied time after time, regardless of what his local syncophants
want us to believe.If as in days of yore when the media today was
halfway the watch dog of government, we'd have had more of an idea where
each candidate really stood. In the old days when journalists weren't
members of one party's fan club, we had reporters who did investigate and
did report what was really what.Not so today. The media shills for
the current administration and his political party. I've
identified with the Republican party all my life until the last few years. I can
hardly identify with my country anymore. I suppose there were those in the
Revolutionay War days who thought the patriots were too radical as well.
I voted for Mr. Romney and would do so again. However, the media trashed his
image and many people stayed home. The number of Republican voters was way down.
The Repubicans need to change their image and yet stay morally on the right
path. We now have a modern day version of Les Miserables playing out before our
very eyes. The guillotine is right around the corner and with it fiscal
Red Shirt - you may replay Romney's speeches and interviews while he was
running for President. The questions was asked of Romney if he believed Obama
was born in Hawaii - and he said "yes".
James - one can be born in Canada yet be a US citizen if both parents are US
"I've kept my healthcare plan. So have everyone I've talked to
about it.So what was the lie?" - Ernest T. BassPragmatistferlife has it right. Just because you didn't lose your health
care plan doesn't mean others didn't. An Obama spokesman recently
said, "It's only about 5% who are having their current insurance plan
canceled." What he failed to say is that that percentage equates to 15
million people. No small figure in my mind and more than enough people to tip a
Presidential election; hopefully, the next one.So again, the LIE
was: "You can keep your insurance, nobody is going to take it away from
you." Now, do you still believe Obama didn't lie? Or is the next line
going to be, "Well he didn't realize all the possible ramifications
that could come about."
The GOP should consider that they have offered up Sarah Palin, John McCain, Mitt
Romney, plus several gong show acts in the Senate. The 'best' of the
Grand Old Party is the BEST reason to vote Democrat.The next president,
Hillary Clinton, can thank the buffoonery on the other side for her victory.The republican party is a rudderless ship, headed downwind in the wrong
direction, and nothing can save it ...not the way it is now.
First, Romney has no room to talk. None. We can list his deficiencies,
including his inability to tell a straight story throughout the campaign.
Second, he needs to be honest that he is the godfather of Obamacare. Deny all
you like, but it's a fact. Third, the election is over and you lost, Mitt.
Have the class of George W. Bush. You are in the world of Dukakis and
McGovern. Nobody really cares what you think. You couldn't even pull your
own party together, let alone pull from the majority party.
Well, I think there is a little bit of "sour grapes" in Mitt's
comments about the Obamacare roleout. While some current plans don't meet
the minimum standards resulting in some cancellations, it is a stretch to say
that the President was dishonest about it. It is naive to believe that the
needed reformation of the curent dysfunctional healthcare system won't have
some glitches in it. When are we going to wake up and recognize that the
current healthcare system is way too expensive and the outcomes of the current
care are worse than what many other countries achieve where the cost is about
half that of the American system. The real "elephant in the room" is
the cost of the existing system which is NOT sustainable. While the
President's approach isn't perfect, it is a step in the right
direction. Sitting on our behusters and accepting the staus quo with the
Hosptials, Homecare Companys, Insurance Companys and Healtcare Providers
bleeding us to death with their unjustifiable fee structures and profiteering is
not the answer either!
Romney accusing Obama of being dishonest? Now there's a case of the pot
calling the kettle black. And those commenters who are defending Romney's
honesty need to go back and check his statements during the election campaign.
He was rated far lower than Obama on honesty and earned several "Pants on
Fire" awards. The most honest of the candidates? Jon Huntsman.
Counter Intelligence says;Ernest T Bass"I've kept my
healthcare plan. So have everyone I've talked to about it.So what was
the lie?"Millions have had their policies cancelledIts not
all about youCounter, the millions you refer to represent somewhere
around 5% of those who had health insurance previous to the ACA, and a
substantial part of them purchased those policies since the enactment of the law
knowing (they and the insurance company) that they didn't comply with the
law. yea, 5-10% do consist of million(s), a couple maybe a few
more, that's compared to the 280 million who not only keep their insurance
but are seeing a decrease in the rate of premium increase.
Mitt is right about Obama being a liar,but if he wouldn't have tried being
all things to all people and maybe not been such a thurston Howell he would have
Lets elect more people like Romney and Hatch. That way we can go over the cliff
more slowly than the Democrats want to go. Remember, it has taken 34 years
under Hatch to amass $17, 000, 000, 000, 000, although $12, 000, 000, 000 has
been in the last 13 years. The idea of only spending what we have is just way
The Tea Party is helping Hilary become the first women president. Keep it up
and they will also give President Obama a democratic house of representatives.
Everything the Tea Party is pushing will become fodder for the midterm election
and the Presidential elections. Keep pushing Tea Party - you have become the
best hope for the democrats. Conservative talk radio is dying based on the
extreme positions they spout - and the Tea Party follows.
redshirt007Clinton supporters started the birther movement - so it is
fundamentally dishonest to simply blame the tea party. Feigned claims of
oppression are tedious yet indicative of left wing hypocrisyErnest T
Bass"I've kept my healthcare plan. So have everyone I've
talked to about it.So what was the lie?"Millions have had
their policies cancelledIts not all about you
When Romney turns on the tea party in Utah, the tea party is over.
Our party has not learned much from the last election.why give this
man time on any show? He is the one trick pony that did not attract enough to
win the election. Why go back to him or what he has to say?Certainly we can and must do better. The only redeeming part of this is Mitt
and Tea Party are mentioned in the same article.
Mitt represents the dying "old guard" of the Republican Party. If they
are successful at casting out the Tea Party movement, the Republican Party will
continue to be just a watered down version of the Democratic Party. There is
little difference in the two political parties.
Although I supported Mitt Romney for President, he is wrong in his assessment of
what the Republican party needs for a candidate. The Republican Party could
indeed survive without the moderate wing of the party but it could not survive
without the tea party. Chris Christie would not be a candidate for the
nomination because he would not get the support of the party base. Even Ann
Coulter who supported Romney would not support Christie now. Paul Ryan would be
the closest to being someone would could bridge the gap between the moderate
wing of the party and the tea party. There are others, including Ted Cruz who
would have a chance, but not Chris Christie. As far as the shutdown, this was
the fault of Harry Reid and Barack Obama. To sit and complain that it was the
fault of Republicans is nothing more than a false narrative that Romney is
buying into with no basis of reality. We cannot compromise with Reid and Obama
when they have no intent to compromise unless we totally submit to their failed
policies, and that would destroy our economic base. Romney should have known
Mitt and Christie in 2016 sounds like a great ticket to me!
@RockOnSpanish Fork, UTCruz is eligible to be president just as John
McCain was. Natural born American has been defined by Congress numerous times
and is NOT just about where the person was born. (McCain was born in Panama.) So
long as one parent is a US citizen, Congress in the last 200 has unanimously
agreed this get the spirit of what the founding fathers meant. Washington,
Adams, Jefferson, and many others weren't born in the USA... no such thing
then. So don't fret about Cruz. History and precedence is on
his side to any constitutional scholar and lawyer.7:07 p.m. Nov. 3,
2013=========So don;t fret about Pres. Obama -- Are you NOW willing to admit you were all wrong, and that even IF
Barrack Obama was born in Kenya [which we all know he wasn't - he was
born in Hawaii - birthers] - that Obama is just as "American" as Ted
Cruz?The double standard hypocrasy by the fa-right is astounding.BTW - Mitt Romney's Father George was Mexican.
Christie, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc.; former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush; and Sen. Marco
Rubio, R-Fla. These are your picks for the next Republican nominee for the
President of the United States? Come on Mr. Romney. I supported you to the end.
Reaching across the aisle has created the problems we have now. We need
someone with a backbone in there. Not someone that is willing to roll the
Constitution up into a cigar and smoke it with his buddies.
@Mike in Sandy - Obama was caught on camera lying about Benghazi and his Rose
Garden speech, was caught on camera colluding with the moderator, and was also
caught on camera using a plant during the second presidential debate. So both
cheated. What's your point? Also, you can complain about Romney's
tax records just as soon as I see a non-forged birth certificate and
Obama's college transcripts.@Gandalfo Such as?Regarding the article, Mitt is wrong. The shutdown was the Democrats doing as
well. Probably more so than the Republicans. The Republicans put forth every
available option for the Democrats to keep the government open. All they had to
do was defund an unpopular law which is based on a pile of lies, but they
wouldn't do it. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are the only ones who did anything
right, in my opinion, but that may simply be because I'm not a government
Mitt is right about the understated fundamental dishonesty of Obama by a level
of 5 or 6 levels.Why are the wealthy trying to deprive the people of
their rights and will? This is no longer the state of the nation where business
is going to have the upper hand in deciding our future and our economy. Business
had its chance to work with the people but they have violated that trust and its
our, the peoples, turn to take over again and set this country back on its path
of greatness.Business and government has proven they don't care
about this country and its citizens. Whether they like it or not the first thing
we will ahve to accomplish is destroy the bond of government and business, they
are not compatible or remotely workable conditions to sustain a democracy and
Constitutional nation with a working free enterprise economy.Sharing
the wealth is not a democracy, nor is welfare dependence a right. Only the
people have rights, business and government are not given individual rights by
Constitution or bill of rights.God bless the citizens of America and
hoping to share a cup of tea without being spied on.
A moderate with common sense solutions to problems........Jon Huntsman 2016???
Just a thought
Which Romney will we see tomorrow? He's the king of flip-flopiness.
Moderate Republican. No, no, severe conservative. No, well, maybe the severe
conservatives are wrong. The Massachusetts health care system should be a model
for the U.S. No, it shouldn't be. Well, it should be, but only for each
state. My goodness. Has the man ever been consistent in his life? Guess what
he says depends which way the wind is blowing day to day.
Ha! Mittens "I will not let fact checkers run my campaign" Romney
talking about honesty! Now that's a riot!
So is romney on the right side of the republican party, or the wrong side?
"Mitt Romney goes after Tea Party"? Really? The article refers to him
disagreeing with the tactics used by Cruz and Lee. That's not going after
the Tea Party. Also, he didn't endorse Christie, just commented that he
looks to be one of the stronger candidates.I also love when articles
are about Obama's dishonesty, rather than defend the indefensible, folks
tend to play the "well, he did this" game of transference.Did somebody actually bring up Romney's taxes here? He's not
running, just being interviewed and asked questions.
I've kept my healthcare plan. So have everyone I've talked to about
it.So what was the lie?
If that is true about Cruz, then what was the hullabaloo about whether or not
Obama was born in Hawaii? If all it takes is to have a parent that is a
citizen, then it wouldn't have mattered if Obama had been born in Kenya or
anywhere else since his mom was a US citizen.Also, I think Tea Party
members are the RINOs. The moderates in the GOP are representing what the GOP
has always been.
So the t-party was openly mocking the office of the president and the
constitution as they claimed Obama was born in Kenya therefore illegitimate as
president for the first 10 years of his presidency. I see. They are strangely
quiet now.It's ok for Ted Cruz to have been born in Canada
because his mother was an American citizen... but not Obama, nope, it's all
about Obama's father.Romney also used Obama's birth
certificate as a political weapon. So where is Romney's honesty? Where are
all the republicans apologizing for mocking Obama's birth certificate.It was never any question his mother was a citizen either. That's
the most dishonest tactic I've ever seen and just one of the reasons I can
never be a republican again.
@Ernest T. Bass"If you like your health-care plan, you'll
be able to keep your health-care plan. Period."It wasn't
Romney who was going around saying this. It was Obama.
Romney's political philosophy is similar to Utah weather. If you don't
like it, just wait a day.
Ernest T. Bass "How was Obama dishonest on the ACA when the ACA
is essentially Romneycare?"Obama lied - periodAny
reference to Romneycare is obfuscation
@airnaut "I have $100 that says the birther's [sic] will suddenly
become silent."Speaking of which, you never paid up the last
time you bet your bottom dollar. (Avenue H -- remember?)My message
to Barack Obama (and his followers) is: don't make a promise if you
don't intend to keep it.
How was Obama dishonest on the ACA when the ACA is essentially Romneycare?
Many of the responses here epitomize the total disconnect when it comes to
politics. The issue is Obama lied - plain and simple. Something to the effect
of "you can keep your plan, no questions asked, period". And he said it
on many, many occasions. We now know that what he said was a complete
fabrication.If Romney or Bush or anyone else lied in the past -
shame on them. I personally cannot stand liars. But that is not the issue
here. The issue is that our president lied. Plain and simple. Period. Unfortunately integrity doesn't seem to matter in American anymore.
Obama, in an effort to pass his signature health plan, lied to the American
public. Whether or not Obamacare is good for America remains to be seen. But
what is clear is that the plan passed because of an outright lie - and half of
the country doesn't seems to care. And for Obama supporters to give our
president a get-out-of-jail-free card, when the facts are crystal clear, is
disheartening.Without integrity, which both parties lack, the
disconnect in Washington DC will never be fixed.
What did George Washington say about political parties (republican, democrat,
etc...)?They are our country's worst enemy.They perpetrate the
most horrid enormities and are a frightful despotism.They lead to a more
formal and permanent despotism.They create disorders and miseries.Gradually, they incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the
absolute power of an individual.Sooner or later they result in the ruins
of public liberty.They always distract the public councils and enfeeble
the public administration.They agitate the community with ill founded
jealousies and false alarms.They foment occasional riot and
insurrection.They open the door to foreign influence and corruption which
facilitates access to the government through the channels of party passions.They result in the policy and will of one country to become subjected to the
policy and will of another.Rather than encourage and embrace political
parties, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion to mitigate and
assuage the spirit of party.A fire not to be quenched, they demand a
uniform vigilance to prevent their bursting into a flame, lest instead of
warming they should consume. See George Washington's Farewell Address.
"One of Cruz's parents was a United States citizen therefore he is a
United States citizen."It's only wrong if you're not a
@ DHC 01,You make some good points, but much of what hurt Romney
with fiscal conservatives wasn't balancing the budget in MA so much as his
endorsement of Romneycare, which undermined Romney's criticims of
Obamacare. Yes, it was Constitutionally on better ground at the state level.
Still, it was a form of socialism.Second, Romney's own words
against the 2nd Amendment really hurt him among Constitutional conservatives.
I used to think highly of Romney, but his attack on the Tea Party and
endorsement of Christie damages Romney's credibility as a true
conservative. Sure, he would have been better than Obama, but that isn't
saying much considering how low Obama has set the bar. Had Romney been more
conservative he could have won much more of the Republican base, many of whom
chose to stay home than to vote for Romney. In trying to hard to play to the
middle, Romney forgot his base and that hurt him in the election.
The key to a successful Republican presidential candidate is NOT someone who can
reach across the aisle. Bush was successful in reaching across the aisle while
as governor of Texas. Why isn't this ever a trait needed in a Democrat?
Obama never reaches across the aisle. It's his way or no way.The key to a successful Republican candidate is one who has a vision and can
get the public to see (and agree with) that vision as well. The main
conflict isn't reaching across the aisle. It's the media. The media
controls the opinion of an increasingly ignorant populace. Most people run on
low information and don't take (or have the) time to find out what's
going on. That is further damaged by news sources which have become glorified
bloggers (take note DesNews), rather than investigative scoops.
Cruz is eligible to be president just as John McCain was. Natural born American
has been defined by Congress numerous times and is NOT just about where the
person was born. (McCain was born in Panama.) So long as one parent is a US
citizen, Congress in the last 200 has unanimously agreed this get the spirit of
what the founding fathers meant. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and many others
weren't born in the USA... no such thing then. So don't
fret about Cruz. History and precedence is on his side to any constitutional
scholar and lawyer.
@ Mike in Sandy Yes, Mitt's tax reports were released. He paid taxes
every year. On to the next myth or false conspiracy against the Romneys?
I actually watched the full Romney interview on MTP today. So, I'm not
commenting on hearsay or the limited information this article provides.
It's clear that the comments written here are coming from the extremes in
this country that are tearing it apart. The tea party and liberals who refuse to
blame Obama for ANYTHING. President Obama sold a lie for 3+ years
about how Obamacare would work. And it turned out to be fundamentally not true.
Yet, people are commenting about Romney's taxes, cheatinng on a debate and
calling Romney the liar? Unbelievable. Will democrats take accountability for
anything? Or, is the flawed website Bush's fault too? And to
the Tea Party, Mitt had a $3B deficit his first year as Governor of
Massachusetts. He turned it into a $700M surplus his last two years in office
without raising taxes. If elected, he would have gotten our country's
finances in order without raising taxes or completely gutting the government.
Nuff' said. If you think Romney is not a fiscal conservative...then you
haven't done your research.
jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UTTo Jim Morrison. One of
Cruz's parents was a United States citizen therefore he is a United States
citizen.5:38 p.m. Nov. 3, 2013======= Who is not a
"naturally" born citizen.He has a Canadian birth
certificate.I have $100 that says the birther's will suddenly
Mike in Sandy:It is up to those leveling accusations to prove
wrongdoing. Harry Reid still hasn't been able to prove it, and you
can't either.So you either don't understand the systemof justice we have or are parroting the baseless accusations Harry Reid and
the left have leveled against Romney.So this isn't about
Romney's campaign dishonesty. It's about your intellectual dishonesty.
Too many old-school Republicans give more lip service to "working across the
aisle" (with Democrats who have no interest in compromise), and too little
lip service to conservative principles, at least fiscally speaking.This long-time disaffected conservative will GLADLY support a true fiscal
conservative over the wishy-washy RINO types - Cruz, Romney, McCain, Orrin
Hatch.It may be too late to save our economy, but continuing to pile
more debt on the house of cards is NOT the answer!
mikey and jimmy,calm down. mitt isn't running again and your boy
continues to run the country into the ground. you might worry more about barry
Wait a sec...isn't Romney the guy who said he was a "severe
conservative?" I guess Romney was lying, huh? And Chris Christie is a
moderate along the lines of McCain and Romney. Un-freakin'-electable.
Obama outright lied to our nation to get re-elected. Romney would not have been
perfect but would have been much better then Obama. The last two Presidents have
been in over thier heads.
Every time I see a picture of Mr. Etch-a-Scetch, I am very grateful that Brack
Obama is our president and he isn't.
Anyone seen Mitt's tax returns yet? Everyone is asking. Just
wondering...Fundamentally dishonest? So what's up, Mitt?Show us
so we back off.
Mitt's got a lot of nerve calling anyone fundamentally dishonest. He
was caught--on camera, no less, pulling notes from his pocket as he slyly
rounded the dais at the first Presidential debate, then slipping them into his
sleeve after.Notes were specifically not allowed. Mitt should go away.
"Obama's 'fundamental dishonesty has really put in peril' his
second term in the White House, Romney said." Romney just proved
that HE is the dishonest one.
@ Gandalf Provide us examples of those "so many things".
Romney's stance against the tea party, many of whom supported him, makes me
glad he did not get elected. Thank you senator Lee for standing strong. If
Chris Christie is the best the GOP can do I will find a new party.
To Jim Morrison. One of Cruz's parents was a United States citizen
therefore he is a United States citizen.
Mitt Romney's insights are helpful. Universal and affordable health care
are a given but Mr. Obama seems to blame Romneycare for his own mistakes. The
tragically partisan fashion in which the ACA was formed has been met with
equally tragic partisan opposition and the American people are the ones who
suffer the consequences.
I would rather save the Nation than the Republican Party. RINO Republicans
continue to break the Eleventh Commandment: 'Thou shalt not speak ill of
any fellow Republican.' The party is mostly run by self-serving Moderates
and Progressives who will allow our freedoms to erode and our economy to
collapse as they watch from the sidelines waiting to get a majority. And when
anyone dares to stand up and try to act on principle they shout them down and
call for 'rehabilitation.'What could Mr. Romney mean by
saying 'Obama's "fundamental dishonesty has really put in
peril" his second term in the White House...?' Does he meant that Obama
will not be well thought of after he is gone or that someone in the House of
Representatives is drawing up the Articles of Impeachment?
I'd reword it as our citizen's fundamental greed, gullibility and
laziness got Obama elected, but that's just me.
Really? Obama's dishonesty.Romney basically denied he was the
first person to ever implement mandatory health insurance coverage and insurance
pools. That's just plain rich.
@Gandalf: Your dredging up Romney's so-called "dishonesty" (which
you haven't a shred of evidence for) doesn't disprove the truth of his
report on Obama and his outright misleading (OK, lies) of the voters. I weep
when I realize we could have had a distinguished, competent and transparent
American President capable of "reaching across the aisle" instead of the
pick of the low-information electorate.
Gotta love how Mitt Romney slams the Tea-Party...I guess that makes
him a full-blown RINO too.
It would be well for Mitt to acknowledge the dishonesty of Republican party
leaders as well. It was the Republican administration of George W. Bush and the
Republican majorities in the Congress who passed tax cuts, while increasing
spending on defense and wars as well as social spending that created the largest
deficits the country had ever seen up until that time. The Republican passage
of Medicare Part D with no planning for how to pay for it other than deficit
spending is fundamentally dishonest to taxpayers and those who think Medicare
will be there for them in the future. The Romney-Ryan budget that Mitt
campaigned on was built on deficit spending for many years. Isn't deficit
spending fundamentally dishonest in robbing future prosperity for current
appetites? Who besides the Tea Party folks are really trying to demand fiscal
responsibility and fiscal honesty in Washington?
"Obama's 'fundamental dishonesty has really put in peril' his
second term in the White House, Romney said." That's funny.
A lot of people, me included, say your fundamental dishonesty on so many things
during the 2012 presidential campaign kept winning that election.
Wasn't Ted Cruz born in Canada anyway, so he's not eligible to run for
president? What am I missing here? The Tea Party was great for getting back
control of the house, but they cost the GOP the senate with incapable candidates
and it was Tea Party candidates', (Mourdock et al) gaffes that turned the
2012 presidential election into a ridiculous campaign on women's rights.