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Published: Friday, Nov. 1 2013 10:15 p.m. MDT

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seen enough
Logan, UT

This needs to be looked at to get it right. Chase Nelson is a high character kid and Logan High has not had a ejection in the 15 years Mike Faverro has coached there. The two calls were VERY questionable especially for a kid who has no track record of acting out. Hope they can take a look at it and make the right call. Hope to see Chase Nelson competing on the field again next week. GO GRIZZ!!!

wiseacre
Salt Lake City, UT

UHSAA must uphold the decision of THEIR officials. Anything contrary to this would demonstrate that the UHSAA does not support THEIR officials. Regardless of intent or degree of intent by player, the official made the call...enough said. Rule is: an ejection results in a one game suspension. We can't review every missed call, every bad call by the officials and go back and change them. It's unfortunate it happened to a great player that everyone whoops and hollers about, but rules are rules and they apply to all players.

bslack
Draper, UT

The appeal process is part of the rule so that a review can be made by UHSAA. If the two penalties are upheld as accurate, then Chase should sit out one game for his actions. Sometimes officials get it wrong in the heat of the moment and so a review is necessary. The same goes for an athlete where sometimes good people do dumb things in the heat of the moment.

The decision must be based on the facts and accuracy of the calls not on who the penalty was made against. I hope UHSAA has access to video to perhaps help with the decision rather than just going off of opinions.

eagle
Provo, UT

There is an appeal and review process. Generally, the UHSAA will uphold the suspension unless there are extenuating circumstances. But there is a due process and at times calls or decisions get reversed. Looking at game film will be part of that process...

TheOfficalCall
Spanish Fork, UT

@Seen Enough, Yes it will be reviewed.

@Wiseacre, couldn't agree more

It was not two penalties that got him ejected it was the one sole act of kicking. Here be the two rules in question.

Rule2-1
Fighting is any attempt by a player or nonplayer to strike or engage a player or nonplayer in a combative manner unrelated to football. Such acts include, but are not limited to, attempts to strike an opponent(s) with the arm(s), hand(s), leg(s) or foot (feet), whether or not there is contact.

Rule 9-4-1
ART. 1 . . . No player or nonplayer shall fight.

PENALTY: Fighting, intentionally contacting a game official, striking, kicking or kneeing. (Arts. 1, 2, 3j) – (S38- 47) – 15 yards and disqualification.

Rule 2. Defines what fighting is and an attempted kick is regarded as fighting.
Rule 9-4-1, says you can't fight and the penalty for such is 15 yards and ejection.

The UHSAA has the about the one game suspension.

Back to Wiseacre's comment's, The UHSAA very often over-rules the ruling on the game officials. Wouldn't be surprised to see him on the field next week.

wiseacre
Salt Lake City, UT

@The Official Call - -you are right, the UHSAA has overruled before, but that's the problem, they do not hold a hardline to their own bylaws and that is why everyone has no trust in the UHSAA. And because they do not hold strong to their bylaws, teams walk all over them and circumvent the rules. This will be interesting and potentially give UHSAA credibility if they make the right call, which is upholding the bylaws and supporting their officials. Another point on the call at this game - - an ejection is severe and if that was the case, wouldn't all officials on the field have to concur that an ejection would be warranted or the unsportsmanlike call was worthy of an ejection? My thought is if the act in question that resulted in the ejection was discussed amongst officials(of which it was) it could've been overturned at the game.

slcftball
Salt Lake City, UT

Not true. If you read the handbook, it says any player ejections cannot be appealed.
A coaches ejection may be appealed, but a players not. I think he is done. But if he gets two penalties in the first half for kicking kids on the ground and stomping on their facemasks then he should sit-just sayin. My cousin is a Logan supporter and he said that's what he did and is worried. Olympus is getting lucky. First a win against a bad Sville team now this. But I guess the UHSAA caved on that debacle with East last year so in realty, who really knows with the weak UHSAA. When do they decide?

Temp
WEST JORDAN, UT

I did not see the game, but if the kick was really "not malicious" as the article states, then refs need to swallow their whistles! I hate refs that feel a need to be a bigger part of a football game than they should be. It happens far too often.

TheOfficalCall
Spanish Fork, UT

Given my screen name I officiate a UHSAA sport. These officials will get a call from the Supervisor of Officials who will ask them if there was anything they could have done "differently", Is there a way you could have kept him/her in the game. It has happen to me and many an official I know personally.

The rule as stated doesn't not mention "malicious". In my opinion and this happens in games that a tackler hangs on a little to long to the legs of the ball carrier and the ball carrier gets a little "testie" and try to kick his was free. This sounds like what happen. I have a hard time understanding what really happen because the reporter doesn't sound like he knows the difference between a personal foul and an Unsportsmanlike foul. A player can have many, 5+ plus personal fouls in a game and that would not be a cause for ejection, where as ONE "Unsportsmanlike foul" results in an EJECTION. So when the reports says nothing malicious happen that is hard for me to have much faith in the statement.

TheOfficalCall
Spanish Fork, UT

We as officials could really careless about the UHSAA rule, the fact a player gets a couple of PF's we start watching him/her more closely, because once or twice dirty, usually means it is happening more frequently. Give a player 2 or 3 big 15-yd and let the coach know our eyes are on him, the coach will remove him/her because they are too risky to remain in the game and rightfully so, they could eventually hurt someone. We get tired of focusing our attention on one player.

@ Wiseacre, getting together on a 5 man crew I am sure is what happened, but I would say only 2 maybe 3 may have saw it, Officials have areas of coverage and you are not aways looking at the ball carrier.

@Temp I am sure you would be they next to say the ref's need to control the game more closely or someone is going to get hurt.

@slcftball, Interesting about your knowledge from the logan person. If a fan thinks it was bad, then it must have been. In the first half none-the-less.

If he is playing Friday I wouldn't be surprised.

Old ball coach
Sandy, UT

I wouldn't be surprised if Nelson plays next week, the UHSAA has no bite, and will cave into the pressure. Ex...East 2012!

What I don't understand is the blame on the ref's....like they had control over Nelson from kicking a player, or receiving "two" personal foul calls. Kicking should be the same penalty as throwing a punch, and not accepted by the coaching staff, the refs, or UHSAA.

Nelson is the leader of the team, and I understand competitive issues. But you have to be able to control those emotions, even if Bountiful held, pinched, or twisted his legs. I would be shocked if he is not on the field next week....and applaud the UHSAA for standing by its rules if he doesn't.

An old coach told me...."only we can mess this run up!"....Logan might find this out next week!

loganfan
Logan, UT

I don't want to argue with anyone on this issue but I would ask that before you make comments on this that you would watch the footage of the incident. It's on you tube, Logan Bountiful game filmed by the Valley Channel. It happens at about minute 55. Watch and then judge. There is no stomping. I can't even see a kick. Just Chase hopping up after a tackle. The first penalty was personal foul (this was on an earlier touchdown). The second one which resulted in the ejection was called unsportsmanlike. Several officials throw flags so maybe there is more than we can see, it just seems that it was a harsh punishment for the actions that we can see on the tape. I don't know all the rules and I wasn't on the field when it happened so what do I know? Maybe those with more football knowledge can weigh in after watching it.

dvk75
CLEARFIELD, UT

There is video of the altercation as the coaches reviewed it at half time. The play was described by people who saw that tape as @THEOFFICIALCALL speculated the person doing the tackling held on long after the play was over and Chase Nelson was trying to kick his leg free it was more of an appearance of him kicking the player than actually trying to kick the player. I don't fault the officials for the call if it looked like he was kicking him but I am glad there is a review process if there is video proof it wasn't what it appeared to be.
@slcftball The first unsportsmanlike penalty was for taunting (pointing the football at the player who missed the tackle after the play) not kicking and stomping on a players face mask. And unless you know what your talking about your speculation is way out of line.
I hope the review process talks to the coach of Bountiful and the kid that supposedly got kicked and they review the film.

CVMD
North Logan, UT

The 'kick' happened getting off a late end zone tackler who refused to let go. Chase fell backwards a little getting up and his foot came forward when his own player pulled him up further. Very meager, inadvertent contact did happen. But this is football not debate. There was no kick by any definition that I am aware of. Hopefully the HUDL film will be available. Most watching thought the flag was on the Bountiful kid for not letting him up. It should have been a no call because no foul appears to have taken place. The first flag was for an end zone celebration that can't be seen despite being filmed. Funny sort of celebrating. If ever a suspension should be overturned, this one is it.The process is in place to review the official's call and it should be used. Review programs in the NFL and NCAA do not undermine officiating, but promote fairness and integrity to the rules of the game. Officials, even good ones, make bad calls. It is part of the game. Logan overcame the bad call. But it is wrong to extend the penalty for a bad call over 2 games.

Prep Fan 89
Draper, UT

I just watched it, thank you for sharing loganfan.

That penalty is ridiculous. If Nelson is held out next week by the UHSAA or their officiating guru, this will be a grave injustice!

papi_chulo
Ogden, UT

They better let him play next week like they did last year for EAST and TIMPVIEW when they had blatantly cheated and got caught doing it. If they don't let him play, I am staging a protest at the UHSAA offices just like all those EAST boys did last year when they rolled out the fake tears and said, PLEASE let us play, we know we cheated, but we are such a good team cause we cheated. They got their way and Nelson better get to play next week or the UHSAA better watch their back!

Prep Fan 89
Draper, UT

@TheOfficialCall - If you as officials know that a kid can be ejected for an unsportsmanlike call, then you call it a personal foul in that situation. Understand the game and what is going on. That is where my beef lies, they had a chance to huddle up and discuss it. Throw another personal foul, and let Coach Favero know "if it happens again we will have no choice but to eject your QB which means he would be out next week too."

If your posting on the rule is indeed accurate (personal foul vs. unsportsmanlike) then this is way more ridiculous than I originally thought! Nelson should be on the field next week!

wiseacre
Salt Lake City, UT

Two officials threw their flags simultaneously, so that tells me that something obvious was recognized by the officials. I looked at the film, and it does not look like the Bntfl player was holding on to Nelson's leg. It also does not look like a kick, but a knee to shoulder - plus presumably verbal from Nelson which also warrants an unsportsmanlike flag. So with that said, even if it was not something physical it could be something verbal that Nelson said. Interestingly enough, the Bntfl player raised his hand like "that should be a flag". Point is, something unsportsmanlike occurred and was flagged. From what @the official call is saying, the onus could be on the officials if UHSAA talks to them. Do these officials then have the guts to stand by their call? The only reason this is a big deal, is 1) it's Logan who is a powerhouse and 2)it's a Nelson

wiseacre
Salt Lake City, UT

@papi chollo - Two contrasting issues at play between what happened with East and what is happening at Logan. East's was a result of administration messing up paperwork and affecting the players, not the players wrongdoing. Logan's issue is a direct result of the actions of a player. UHSAA will look at Logan's differently. But by all means go and raise a hissy fit at UHSAA and continue to follow the footsteps of many other parent's in Utah... "my kid has been wronged", "my kid is special", "my kid would never do anything like that". Sheesh, so tired of whining parents/people.

red rocks
Saint George, UT

Something similar happened a few years ago at Dixie vs Bonneville in state playoffs. Dixie's QB was ejected for supposed punch. One of the official simply made a bad judgement call. The other 4 officials asked for a review by UHSAA. The UHSAA reviewed several tapes submitted and over ruled the ejection.

The officiating crew has the power to ask for a review of the ejection, not the player, coach or school. If the officiating crew asks for a review I am sure that they will review it.

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