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Published: Saturday, Nov. 2 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

I can't say that I wholly agree with this assessment of Lee. I believe he hasn't conformed himself to the Washington DC mold because that mold is specifically designed to prevent anyone from altering in any meaningful way our headlong dash to financial ruin. It truly was a bad thing that people were hurt by the shutdown; much better, says conventional wisdom, to drive off the cliff so the pain and suffering can be universal!

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

John. I am saddened to see that you equate statesmanship and good representation to compromise and going along to not create waves. You are about my age and in our lifetimes we should be able to see what compromise has gotten for us.

A part of the reason Lee was elected by the people of Utah was to help put an end to this gradual erosion of good government by compromising to the left toward more dependency on big brother and the constant growth in government we have seen over the years.

Lee is to be commended, along with any of our other congresspeople, who chose to stand up for what is right rather than chose to be popular with the progressives.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Great column by Florez.

To this point, Mike Lee has been intoxicated on his outsized impression of the power he possesses. The small, active, vocal minority that catapulted him to power in the Utah GOP convention are his ardent defenders, and if he only listens to them, he misses the opinion of the other 75%.

The tea-partiers seem stunned, confused and in deep denial that the majority may not be of their mindset, and my sense is Mike Lee will fairly quickly be altering his tune, because Mike Lee is his own biggest fan, by far. If he can get Utahns to vote him into office while ignoring his personal finances, he can easily turn chameleon and become Orrin Hatch, Jr.

one old man
Ogden, UT

An excellent, and HONEST appraisal of Lee's shenanigans. Thank you, Mr. Florez.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Mike Lee should stop worrying about other people's bills and start paying his own.

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

WHAT?! Why is the DN running two negative articles on the same day about Senator Mike Lee? I thought this was a Church-owned and conservative newspaper. With this negative swipe at an outstanding Senator from the state of Utah, I then read the "credentials" at the end of this article. Oh, now I get it! This was written by an Orrin Hatch friend/former staffer. When does this insanity end? I would like to see a pro-Lee article in rebuttal soon in the Deseret News. How about capturing the upbeat spirit of the town meeting today for the great Senator from Utah, Mike Lee, and interviewing some of the great folks who will be attending with Mike Lee signs held high in the air!

We are attending this rally in South Jordan this morning! If Ted Cruz can have an 8 minute standing ovation in TX, why not us in UT? I love this man, Mike Lee, for his principles, character, and down-right guts to stand up for what is right for us, the American people!

Unreconstructed Reb
Chantilly, VA

I would dearly appreciate it if some Lee's supporters, who consistently praise him for his uncompromising approach to politics, could provide clear historical examples of successful statesmen who refused to compromise.

T. Party
Pleasant Grove, UT

We sent Mike Lee to Washington to uphold the Constitution. That's what he's doing. Of course there will be opposition. The establishment sees him as a threat to their power. I'm grateful that he's standing up to them.

I'm not surprised that the Hatch forces are trying to tear him down. They can't have a man with courage making Orrin Hatch look small.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@Irony Guy:
"Mike Lee should stop worrying about other people's bills and start paying his own."

Typical grasping at straws reaction from the left. Mike Lee pays his bills. The 'other peoples' bill he's worried about and trying to do something about is the government debt of $17 trillion which, if not attended to, will drive the country over the proverbial cliff. Did you not know that, counting the national debt and the unfunded liabilities of the US, each taxpayer owes approximately $600,000 or more? That concerns concerned Americans including Mike Lee.

T. Party
Pleasant Grove, UT

@Unreconstructed Reb

In the budget standoff, Mike Lee was the one searching for a compromise. Obama's position was "I will not negotiate."

Obama and Reid allowed the government to shut down over the issue of funding for Obamacare. Now, after Obamacare's disastrous launch, hundreds of thousands (and eventually millions) of people will lose the insurance plans Obama had promised them they could keep.

Mike Lee tried his best to avoid this.

Fed Employee
Lehi, UT

Mike Lee is not a statesman, he is an ideologue. A statesman represents the entire state, not a portion of a political party. A statesman does not knowingly contribute to the financial harm of thousands of residents of his state by participating in a strategy which multiple experienced individuals told him was a fool's errand.

He was not elected by the people of Utah, he was elected through a flawed caucus system which has been hijacked by special interest groups. I, along with many others, did not get a chance to cast my vote for who I felt was the most appropriate candidate because Utah does not hold a true primary as almost every other state in the nation does.

Watchman, what did compromise ever get us? For starters, the United States of America was created and maintained through compromises between sovereign states who did not see eye to eye. If you want to see an example of what you get through a lack of compromise then look to Cuba and the former USSR.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@Fed Employee:
"Mike Lee is not a statesman, he is an ideologue. A statesman represents the entire state, not a portion of a political party."

Mike Lee represents the people who elected him. If you didn't vote for him, you and your political position will not be represented. You need to get on the right side of the issues.

"He was not elected by the people of Utah, he was elected through a flawed caucus system which has been hijacked by special interest groups."

The caucus is but step one. The election is where everyone has a say. And they elected Lee.

"I, along with many others, did not get a chance to cast my vote..."

Perhaps you need to pay more attention.

"... what did compromise ever get us? For starters, the United States of America was created and maintained through compromises..."

Tell that to your Democrat friends including Harry Reid, Nancy Peloci, and Barack Hussein Obama.

"If you want to see an example of what you get through a lack of compromise then look to Cuba and the former USSR."

Or look at the Obama administration.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Folks are so used to seeing the "same old, same old" - "go along to get along" mentality in D.C. that they find it hard to even START to comprehend that someone would even CONSIDER being elected and doing the things they promised to do!

Want "compromise"? Inform the two most rigid in D.C. Reid and Barack Obama.

Then we can talk!

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Horse hockey, as they used to say on MASH.

This sounds like Mr. Florez is doing two things, but actually just one. That is to cover for the total lack of success, and really total lack of action by his former employer, Orrin Hatch, who has been on the job representing Utah for over 36 years while we got into this mess of unsustainable spending and constantly increasing entitlement programs.

Part of that "cover for Hatch" strategy is to deflect attention from Hatch's inaction and lack of success by claiming that a guy who has been there for only a few years is some uppity bomb-thrower trying stuff that will never work.

Well, maybe Lee's tactics did not work this time, but we have plenty of proof that the "go along to get along" strategy of Hatch and other timid Republicans constantly fails. We have not heard Hatch, or Florez, articulate their substitutes for Obama's destructive policies, nor even argue forcefully against them without a substitute.

Bravo, Mike Lee!

Fed Employee
Lehi, UT

@wrz: "You need to get on the right side of the issues." Since when was it determined that Mike Lee is on the right side of the issues? As I stated earlier more senior members of his own party stated that he was wrong. Not just Hatch but Rove, Romney, McCain, etc.

Even the Republic party has had to admit that the caucus system is flawed which is why they are limiting them to no more than 2 hours on the next round of elections. It's to keep the special interest groups from hijacking it like they did on the last one.

"Perhaps you need to pay more attention." I paid attention but because of the flawed caucus system I didn't get to vote who I felt would best represent me as a Utah resident.

"Tell that to your Democrat friends..." Nice generalization seeing as how I did not declare my political affiliation but good job at being wrong on your guess.

"Or look at the Obama administration." Or look at the Reagan or Nixon administrations but don't look at any others because you might be wrong.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@WRZ
Search "Mike Lee Short Sale" on the search function at the top of the page, then read the first article. His bank lost 100's of thousands of dollars on his short sale. That's not paying you bills. It's living beyond your means. Sometime good people do that, but do you want them to be your elected representitive?

Steve Cottrell
Centerville, UT

Did Lee and his like ever think there was any hope of winning and shutting down the ACA by having the country not pay its bills? Strange lack of logic.

Sal
Provo, UT

Florez for Senator 2016.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Noodlekaboodle:

That is troubling for sure especially as he rails on the debt and supporting shutting down the government.

However, I think many out there have filed bankruptcy and then come back to be successful in many endeavors. Lee's politics at times bother me more so than his short sale.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

"They are the same ones he threw under the bus by shutting down government over the Affordable Care Act..."

Lee did not shut the government down. The president shut the government. As head of the Executive Branch he's in charge of that branch of government. He (or his people under his direction) gave the order to close memorials and parks and shut down other government offices and operations. Lee couldn't do that. He hasn't the authority to do that. No one in Congress has the authority to shut the government down. And if it's a funding issue... remember, the House originates funding bills... which it did. Several times. And Harry Reid in the Senate refused to even consider or read the bills.

"So much for the rule of law."

Look who's ignoring the rule of law. You've heard of the Federal immigration laws, I would guess. Barack Hussein Obama's amnesty directive for millions of illegals is in direct violation of those laws. Look it up.

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