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Published: Friday, Nov. 1 2013 11:20 a.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

What a foolish thing for Reid to say, perhaps the most foolish thing he's ever said, and that's saying something.

He really thought Mitt didn't pay taxes for 10 years? And it wasn't caught by any of the IRS checks, which are more stringent on the wealthy?

He released his taxes, and they showed he paid millions in taxes, every year.

Mitt Romney pays more in taxes than just about anyone in America. Frankly I'm embarrassed there are lazy people out there who cry when they pay a few thousand in taxes and Mitt Romney pays for his share and theirs with his millions in taxes.

And Reid's response when his tax returns were relased, showing the millions he paid?

Silence.

Like a dog trying to hide in the corner.

What a dishonest attempt to impact the polls. Did Reid honestly believe what he was saying? And I thought Mormons were supposed to be honest?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Thank You
President Huntsman, for being a man of honesty and integrity - regardless of political party affiliations and any negative public opinion fall out!

mcdugall
Murray, UT

@Chris B - Romney never fully disclosed the entirety of his tax documents, in fact there was a consensus by tax experts, given the disclosed, that Romney did not utilize all of his deductions and left money on the table, which would indicate his marginal tax rate was less than the ~12% he claimed. I don't think he would have done this had he not hand political aspirations. Romney pays more in taxes that a lot of Americans on the total amount paid but as a percentage of income he pays considerably less than the majority of Americans. The disclosure by Reid or whomever, had nearly zero impact on the Romney candidacy.

SLars
Provo, UT

If true it paints Huntsman in a poor light as a Republican who's son was running also.

Gone fishin
PAC Country, WA

Reid is a crook and has always been. He's in politics, that's the way things work.

mattrick78
Cedar City, UT

As a member of the Church, I was embarrassed by both Reid and Romney during the Presidential election.

Ken
Sandy, UT

@mcdugal, Wrong on so many levels. Mitt was right that 47% of Americans pay 0 federal income tax. He pays more than 0% of his income. So unless you think that the remaining 53% pay a higher rate than Romney, which isn't true since many pay between 0%-12%, you're claim is false. Were you just making that claim up?

And besides, how much money he makes doesn't matter. He should pay for the resources he uses. You should pay for the resources you use. And I should pay for the resources I use. The fact that Mitt is rich doesn't make the government suddenly more expensive to run, make national defense more expensive, make other government expenses increase. You and I use the government resources just as much as Mitt Romney. Stop looking to others to pay for what you use.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

The real culprit is the U.S. tax system, which allows very wealthy people to pay a much lower percentage of their gross income than ordinary middle class Americans who make much less. It's all backwards.

grouchyoldman
Arden, NC

Old news. For an independently wealthy man not to take all the tax deductions that are available to him is like some poor smuck like me not taking that home mortgage deduction. I'd like to hear from anyone, including Mr. Reid and Mr. Huntsman, that they didn't take all of the deductions to which they were entitled. If you have a problem with this incident, attack the IRS NOT the individual. Cheez, old news, old argument, same old response and problem. Credibility, once lost is hard to regain, beware of what you speak.

Mark from Montana
Davis County, UT

I cannot think of a single politician that I like. Having said that, there are some that are worse than others. I put Harry Reid in the top 1% of those that I despise the most. Romney and Huntsman are on the other end of the spectrum. Of course they are still politicians.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

Ken -

Technically, you are "wrong on so many levels" because the majority of individuals you identified pay federal income taxes but tax preferences (child credits or EIT) neutralize their taxes. A minority of Americans (elderly/working poor) do not make enough to qualify to pay federal taxes but they are not the bulk of your "47%". The dishonesty on Romney's part is to 1) claim those 47% are liberal, and 2) claim they don't understand a "low tax" policy. Re: 1 - there is ample evidence that conservatives utilize tax breaks like child credits at a greater rate than liberals and they also comprise a majority of low wage, elderly; and re: 2 - these individuals pay little to no federal tax due to conservative low tax policies (ie child credits). The lion's share of "takers" are conservative.

Further, from 1979-2009, the total average effective federal tax rate has been between 22.7 and 17.4%. On average, the rest of us pay a higher effective rate than Romney.

Finally, you clearly don't understand the way Bain Capital operates and how Romney used tax payer dollars to fund key aspects of his ventures. Please study up before commenting again.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Stewart, You should really take your own advice and study before commenting again. The two lowest income groups as categorized by the New York Times are those making under 30k, and those between 30k-45k. 63% of those under 30k voted for barack. 57% of those in the 30-45k voted for barack. The majority of the takers are those voting for barack.

Again, time to study for you.

Red
San Antonia, TX

Nobody even understand the 180,000 pages in the tax code. The whole thing is a scam.

The government is getting fleeced by the crooked contractors all day long. Medicare fraud is rampant. Americans are stealing from us all every on almost every contract. The whole system stinks.

We need term limits to flush out all the underhanded deals and favors that are going on. You can't stay in politics for long without making some stinky deal. Let's limit the crooks with term limits.

Blue AZ Cougar
Chandler, AZ

Burden of proof is on Reid, not Romney. Reid made the claim, he better have evidence to back up his claim. Simple as that.

As the largest accounting firm in the world, I think a letter from PwC is a pretty good source of credibility to refute Reid's claim.

Now, if you have a problem with the fact that Romney had so many deductions, take your argument to the IRS, not the guy who used the rules to his advantage. During one of the last Republican Primary debates, Gingrich was all proud of the fact that he paid such high taxes. If you can't figure out how to use the law to your advantage, or can't figure out how to lower your tax liability, you don't deserve to be in office because you don't have street smarts. How am I supposed to trust a gov't leader who isn't economically savvy?

dnay
Salt Lake City, UT

It would not surprise me one bit that Reid made all of it up to throw dirt Romney's way. Not one thing the democratic party has done for more than a decade is lie to get what they want. I'm sure he had to come up with something so it would take focus off the fact that Obama wouldn't produce his birth certificate.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

This is just another of the DN's bi-monthly articles about Mitt Romney. He still lost.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

Chris B - Uhm, I think you ought to read past the first paragraph if you're going to cite a news article, plus you should know your tax brackets before responding. According to your article and the Tax Policy Center, roughly 60% of American families have incomes under $50K. The article goes on to note those groups comprise the middle-class of America and a very quick search online reveals that their federal tax rate is 15% (up to $36K) and then jumps up to 25%.

If you call them "takers" (which is factually incorrect) then Romney must be an outright crook for paying even less than they do in federal taxes (his intentionally inflated 12%).

Further, if the middle-class that votes liberal and pays a higher effective percentage of their income in taxes are "takers" in your mind, while tax evaders such as Romney (ie Marriott's Son of Boss $220M fine) have legally been fined for overseeing tax avoidance scandals, is the entire state of Utah not an outright band of crooks given that your state is a net debtor in federal taxes to the tune of over $20 billion dollars? Nearly every living American conservative is a taker.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

So, we have one man who has made millions and given most of it away to philanthropic causes to help others claiming he never said such a thing.

And, we have another man who has made millions on shady deals and kept it all to help himself, and made a career out or making unproven opportunistic allegations against opposing politicians.

Who is most likely to be telling the truth?

Even though the news media relentlessly repeated Reid's wild and anonymous allegations, that does not make them true.

I choose to believe Jon Huntsman, Sr. And, Mitt Romney, another guy who has been extremely generous sharing his wealth, which he earned the hard way, by honest work, not shady land deals.

kattawn
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Don't believe it where it comes to Mr. Huntsman Sr. However, Huntsman Jr. is another story. I'd believe he'd do something underhanded and dishonest like that. And Mr. Reid was wrong to say it on tv without proof.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@grouchyoldman
"For an independently wealthy man not to take all the tax deductions that are available to him is like some poor smuck like me not taking that home mortgage deduction. I'd like to hear from anyone, including Mr. Reid and Mr. Huntsman, that they didn't take all of the deductions to which they were entitled. "

There's nothing wrong with someone taking the deductions available to them (and likewise there's nothing wrong with someone who wants tax rates to go up not voluntarily paying more). We're just saying the system is wrong, and the Ryan budget would've only made it worse (and Gingrich's would've dropped Romney's tax burden to near 0% since he wanted to completely eliminate capital gains which is where most of Romney's income comes from as Romney pointedly noted in a primary debate).

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