mjllindseyIf they will pay Jimmer Federal Minimum wage, I would be
all for it.
hawks are already talking about offering him a contract. next up kanter?
There you have it. Now how does Jimmer look. Cheeper by the point. That oklahoma
three point shot could have made a difference, that's what you must think.
You see there is a place for shooters. clutch time very important. Natural
shooters where are they? Just keep listening to u of u big mouths, And lose your
chances. Adversity can make a man stronger. I see Jimmer hasn't given up.
He might take less just to be given a chance. $$$$$
I'm guessing that Hayward is not greedy. I'm guessing that secretly he
wants to remain with the Jazz, but he has left it completely to his agent to do
contract negotiations. For those of you who say Hayward is not Paul George, wait
a couple of years. George was lucky to be drafted into a more experienced group
of teammates. In two years the core four will have much more experience. Gordon,
think long and hard on this one. You can always fire your agent if you have to
Let's see if he can prove that he is worth the amount of money he is
requesting. Kudos to the Jazz for making him prove his worth rather than just
giving it to him. By the way, he will make more in a year or two
than I will in my entire lifetime. I HATE the attitudes of these yahoos; and to
think they make ungodly amounts of money boils my blood. I would much rather
follow college sports - any college sports, than pay for an NBA's
athlete's exorbitant life style.
Who even cares. All the Jazz do is rebuild. They start to get a good team and
then they let them all go to rebuild. I think the Jazz should be sold.
send him packing, any team that takes him has a sucker for a GM
@ Joe5:I'm convinced you're absolutely wrong about the
Jazz management "creating a losing culture" with the team. What they are
doing is creating a smart culture by following a solid plan that will entail
stepping back a year or possibly two to get in position to become a very good
team... something more than the mediocrity that most NBA clubs usually accept
with short-term plans only. Paying Hayward what his agent is asking
would seriously hamper their plan to take full advantage of the extra deep
talent level in the 2014 draft and also the above average level of free agents
that will be available next year. As it is right now, they will have a
significant amount of salary cap space to take advantage of those conditions
next year, which will set them up with a young, talent laden team for years into
the future, starting with their multiple first round draft picks supplemented
with a couple of solid free agents next year. Personally, I think
it's a very astute move of Jazz management to stick to their plan and not
let some unrealistic player agent derail it.
This is real simple.There are alot more Hayward type players than
their are Favors type players.Long athletic defensive Centers are
very hard to find. Small forwards are more common. Hayward is a good all
around player but lets not forget the last big mistake the Jazz made overpaying
an all around player who was not durable/capable enough to carry a team
offensively. AK was an awesome player and could pile up the stats
in multiple categories but you simply have to have top tier offensive players
who can carry your team to compete and those are the players that get the big
money. Hayward is a nice piece but he is not THE piece. He should
not get paid much if any more than Favors. Besides Alec Burke has a rare skill
of getting to the line and can get hot enough to carry a team. I rarely see
that happen with Hayward.Alec is cocky and confident enough that he
could be borderline star. Hayward is way to reserved and quiet to be THE guy.
Just not in his makeup.
Hayward has been listening to his agent too much. He is no Paul George.Where was Hayward when our team made a run to get back in the game
against OKC? He was watching from the bench as Alec Burkes reeled off 13 of 15
Jazz points. Then Hayward came in made a couple of poor shot selections, 50%
FT's, and a turnover.This league is about scoring. You
don't deserve max money if you can't carry your team offensively and
Hayward clearly does not have the ability to do that every night.No
worries though. After this season without Jefferson, Millsap, and Foye to take
defenses off of him Hayward will wish he would have taken what the Jazz offered
him because now defenses will be on him as supposedly our #1 offensive
option.His stats are not going to be great not to mention all the
losses and he will be the posterboy for it.This is a guy you want on
your team but he will never be THE guy. Jazz can always match and worst-case it
won't be much different than what Haywards inflated head wanted already.Unfortunate greediness.
Paul George just signed a 5 year $90 million extension. And since he was taken
1 pick after Hayward in the 2010 draft, his agent somehow thinks Hayward should
get some sort of similar deal. But as much as I'm a big Hayward fan, he is
not the same caliber player as George. I believe he'll find that out next
summer unless some team does something totally unrealistic and pays much more
than he's worth. Stranger things have happened, but is not likely in this
situation.Of course Hayward could still somehow elevate his game to
an all-star level this season... again not likely. But if he somehow does, then
his risk of not signing now will pay off. Had the Jazz paid what his agent is
asking, they would be taking a risk very similar to what they took with AK-47 in
which they got burned quite badly. Good players need to keep in mind
there is a significant difference in market value between what they are worth
and what teams are willing to pay for all-stars. It's the law of supply and
Simply amazing what greed does to a person. Now he thinks he is Lebron?The
Jazz said they would "like' him to become the face of the franchise. It
is up to him to prove he is worthy of that honor. So far he is a long way from
being a max player. To qualify for that kind of money, he should be averaging
18-6-6 on this crappy team. He can't even do that.After watching
Weds. game, I would not pay him what Favors rec'd.Very
disappointing.... let him go. We should have drafted Paul George anyway.Real nice Hayward.......
Joe5 if your content with Mediocrity, Go cheer for the Nuggets or the Nets. 8th
seed in the playoffs is good enough for you and they won't disappoint.
hahahahahaha!!! Like I've been saying all along. Jazz are creating a losing
culture here in Utah. Somehow Lindsay has convinced fans he can acquire all-star
players at discount rates and the gullible fans believe it. They see the growth
of OKC but ignore the current problems that franchise has with keeping
players.Next offseason, regardless of what happens with Hayward, the
Jazz will face exactly the same issues with Kanter and Burks. If they keep
hitting at 50%, they will keep losing or trading players stockpiling young
players from the draft and missing the playoffs every year because they will be
in perpetual rebuilding mode.I hope I'm wrong but that's
what I've been predicting ever since the GS trade when the Jazz folded
their cards for this season. I expect to see the same thing next season.
Is it about the money or the ego? It would be best if players didn't know
what other players on the team were making. I'm satisfied with my salary,
but if I knew how much others in my company were making I'd probably do the
same thing GH and his agent are doing.
You got to admit he's gambling on getting better. He isn't close to
being the best player on this team, and certainly not the best shooter. I think
he has his eyes on Boston. I also agree that he might have his highest trade
value right now. I have a feeling this kid isn't going to be a consistent
shooting threat. My hunch is that he's peaked in his potential. Do the Jazz
want him as a facilitator or a shooting threat? If he isn't shooting by
February, then deal him. His game reminds me a little of AK. Lets not make that
mistake again. All of this talk about Jimmer still puzzles me, I understand that
he played great in the BYU system, but he hasn't made the jump to NBA
player. I have a friend in the Kings area that follows them. They like Jimmers
shooting, but he's getting schooled bigger players. He can hit threes all
day, but if he can't defend a NBA size guard then he will not succeed. Ian
Clark is a deadly shooter, but his size kept him out against that giant Thunder
Finally people are waking up to the obvious. Hayward is a nice player but
nothing more. Max money for him is a joke.
Smart move for Dennis, Hayward usually has a couple of months per season of all
star numbers but the rest is just decent. He has to be the leader of this team!
We'll see what he's capable of. If he proves he's worth the money
than the Jazz will surely sign him.
GH: Greedy. Me: Disappointed.
Isn't the reason we let Milsap and Big Al go was to have the money to keep
Favors and Hayward. I guess that didn't work out so well. The Jazz should
have traded Hayward and kept Milsap.
I concur with all the comments above. Hayward simply is not a max player and to
value him above Favors would have destroyed any future for the Jazz. That said,
he would be very high in trade value at this time. We have two first round picks
for the upcoming draft. If we were to trade him to a struggling team for a third
first round pick, we could make a commanding step toward our future as a team.
We might even trade him to Sacramento for Jimmer and their first round pick and
we could then have a shooting guard we could bring off the bench. I am sure the
fans would love that to happen.
@JBQyou are right...these agents are poisons...they let their
clients think they are better than they really are...If he proves he can be that
main option...im all for him getting paid...but...a big but...if we get a top 3
pick...i would let him walk if i get either Jabari or Wiggins...is hayward
valuable? yes...he'd be a good player...is he worth 10M? no...unless he
dominates the rest of the season...and becomes a sure fire all-star....and
people start talking about him....then yes...until that happens...he is just
worth 5M a year...there's going to be a lot of bad tweets going towards
Hayward's way...after what happened...im thinking he'd reunite with
his old coach in Boston...and think about it...Greg Monroe...Eric Bledsoe and
Hayward are all restricted free agents...you get a young core right there...
Where is that little boy we drafted?I'm glad we didn't
give him what he was seeking. I like the kid, but he has yet to prove he is a
big time winner.
As Seinfeld said, in the end we are all just rooting for laundry
Hayward is a baller but he's no Paul George. Now it is all on him to prove
he is worth the 50+ million he and his agent were seeking. I expect him to give
his absolute best effort this season to prove his worth. It will be interesting
to see how he handles the pressure.
the jazz should really just look to trade him now.. another team will offer him
the deal he wants in the summer; and the jazz will be faced with the same exact
decision that they just passed on...
More than Favors? Really? Thank you Jazz for not overpaying
good coverage of a sad story. hope you folks will find out how much difference.
had higher hopes for Hayward's dad to get involved. his best situation in
NBA is in Utah.
Hayward did not deserve more money than Favors. Sounds like his agent is
"inflating his ego" and his head. Agents get a sizeable chuck.
Favors greatest contribution will be on the defensive side of the the ball. We
need offense. Hayward does NOT give you offense. Look at his preseason
shooting percentage. In the 30% plus range. Look at his shooting percentage in
the first game. Enough said. He does not have a natural shot. A pure shooter
he is not. His shot is very mechanical. One day he is on, the next day he is 4
for 16. You want Paul George money but you ain't Paul George.
I'm fine with athletes getting a lot of money. But my opinion of Gordon
Hayward just went down quite a bit. Is he even in the top half of NBA players?
Seriously? He still hasn't learned to shoot consistently. In four years his
hops are gone and we've got new Larry Kryskowski with a max contract. Gimme
a break. Gordon, if you're reading, fire your agent. And also, take a
reality check. You're not Michael Jordan.
Hayward not interested in Utah.... sad. Bring in Jimmer.
Some of the luster is now missing from GH.
This is disappointing. I have always been a Hayward fan, and I believe that the
Jazz need him to one day vie for a championship. That said, I believe that
Favors is equally as valuable long term, and I understand the Jazz being
reluctant to offer Hayward a sweeter deal than the one signed already with
Great job by Dennis Lindsey! This shows us how strong of a GM we have. He did
not panic out of fear that Hayward might get more money. The fact that Hayward
was seeking more than Favors is ridiculous. In my mind, you have to prove that
you can put a team on your back and carry them into the postseason in order to
earn that money, and Hayward has not even come close to that. He has shown
flashes, but there is nothing wrong with the Jazz just waiting and seeing. If
Hayward is a stud this year, THEN we can pay him with no problem. But after
watching the opener, I think there is a strong possibility that Alec Burks
becomes the stud of the future, and if we overpay Gordon, there won't be
the money there for Alec and Enes. Anyway, great job Jazz! We can't
afford max contracts for all our young promising guys, so this was the right
I gave up on pro sports years ago for this very reason. I realized it was all
about money, with all parties interested in nothing but separating the fans and
their money. The might be loyalty on one side or the other, and at times both,
but for the most part loyalty only goes as far as the size of the check. Miami
and the three big ones are the perfect example. College sports are
exactly the same, only those involved never talk about the money.
Too bad for the Jazz. Now faced with cutting Haywards minutes this year or
developing him for another team. He's not shown the loyalty to the Jazz
described in the article. This will make his team mates wonder about his long
term commitment. definitely not good. Sixty million not enough for you???
Sit him on the bench and start looking elsewhere. At lesat he has some trade
value right now.
Hayward should understand that he isnt Paul George yet...can he prove he can do
it? im not sure...seeing the pre-season and the first game of the year...there
is no way that kind of performance is an all-star performance one....at least we
have Alec Burks...if we got the first pick...Hayward leaving would be
nice...he'd eat up the spot of either Jabari parker or Wiggins...
The way Harris played against OKC Hayward better be looking over his shoulder. I
like Hayward and I think he has some great potential, but he still has a lot to
prove before he becomes worth as much as he and his agent seem to feel he is
Let him go if needs be. Just don't do a Kirilenko.