To "UtahBlueDevil" you are wrong. The states and schools that have
adopted CC, no longer have control over the what is being taught and the
standards that are to be followed.

CC uses the carrot of extra
funding to get states to give up control of what is taught n their schools.

the truthHolladay, UT

Nov. 1, 2013 6:23 p.m.

@UtahBlueDevil

Actually it won't be left up to the local
districts,

The extreme left has created an educational system where
local districts are more and more dependent on federal dollars, they will do
anything the federal government tells them for those dollars.

A
dictatorial system!

And NO local control. No control by parents.
"Elites" dictating what you can say, what to think, and what can do. No
privacy.

It used to be the stuff of dystopian fiction.

It
is common core and socialism.

UtahBlueDevilDurham, NC

Nov. 1, 2013 1:03 p.m.

On one hand, we get all upset when the federal government tells people too much
what to do. Then we complain that when they set a 'minimum" standard,
it isn't restrictive enough. It is a minimum standard, and that is all.
It doesn't tell districts how to teach the subjects. It doesn't
prescribe text books, or methods. It sets a basic ground floor.

My
wife is an educator. So I am hardly anti-educators. But this belief that a
child mush come out of high school with Trig, or calc, and that all must be on a
college path, is just wrong. According to published IRS brackets, I am a top
5% earner. And you know what, I didn't take either of those classes. Not
in high school. Not in College. And not in my graduate work.

Lets
stop this silliness. Your local district is ultimately the entity that decides
what is taught in your schools. It isn't anyone in DC. If you want
tougher standards, start local.

RedShirtUofUAndoria, UT

Nov. 1, 2013 12:58 p.m.

To "Hamath" I know a lot about Math and its practical applications. I
know from first hand experience trying to help my children understand how to do
math as taught by the Common Core (CC) standards that the standard is a
failure.

For example, when doing simple things like multiplying 2
number that are 2 digits or more the stadard uses a complex algorithim that is
very confusing to the teachers trying to teach it, the students, and the
parents.

Beyond the bad methods that it teaches, the math standards
do not prepare kids for being able to do advanced math because they lack a solid
foundation. Rather than having the kids memorize math facts, like
multiplication tables up to 12x12, they teach them bits of algebra, geometry,
trig, and other things. It sounds good on paper, but what good is it to work on
algebra if the kids can barely handle adding and subtracting 2 numbers that are
more than single digits?

The rest of common core is similar. For
literature they expect 1st graders to write persuasive essays. They can barely
verbally express a persuasive argument, and can barely spell.

CC puts
meat before milk.

one old manOgden, UT

Nov. 1, 2013 10:27 a.m.

Perhaps the Common Core's standards might have helped the writer of this
letter to recognize the grammatical difference between the words
"passed" and "past."

HamathOmaha, NE

Nov. 1, 2013 8:00 a.m.

Really??, I know about the Math core, And I speak from knowledge on the subject.
The Common Core is a good step in the right direction. To say randomly that
Trig should be required instead of Algebra II for all students is just a poor
argument. The practice standards in the Math section are quite good. The
content standards themselves do a better job than previous standards of
narrowing down to the most important material that should be covered. Instead
of teaching a mile wide and an inch deep curriculum where no one learns
anything, if taught right... IF... these standards will lead to deeper
understanding.

Really???Kearns, UT

Nov. 1, 2013 7:24 a.m.

Are we back to this? I don't know as much about the math core, but the
English core is much more rigorous than previous versions. One thing the new
language core does, for example, is to teach students how to support their
arguments with clear and relevant evidence. After reading so much on the
internet over the past decade, I can see how that is a skill that is needed but
scares some in the media professions who don't want people to be able to
reason through an argument.

The Real MaverickOrem, UT

Nov. 1, 2013 6:43 a.m.

Wait, what? Don't you realize that the right wing anti-Obama conspiracy of
the summer was the Common Core (along with Bengahzi). Before that, guns! And
before that, death panels and birth certificates.

Today, it's
all about Obamacare and the gov shutdown! Please, try and keep up.

Ignored? Or accepted?

I grow tired that if I don't believe
lock step with the paranoid right wing that I'm labeled "ignorant, low
informed voter, and socialist." Just because I'm not paranoid about
everything that happens with the government and education doesn't mean I
don't care.

Lastly, I graduated from high school before Bush
was even reelected to a 2nd term. I don't know of anyone who graduated with
Trig. So graduating without Trig has been happening for quite some time now. In
fact, probably well before I even graduated from high school.

Not
everyone is going to move onto Trig and become engineers and mathematicians.

Repubs, time to move onto the next anti-Obama conspiracy. This Common
Core thing has already come and gone.

## Letter: Common core

## Comments

To "UtahBlueDevil" you are wrong. The states and schools that have adopted CC, no longer have control over the what is being taught and the standards that are to be followed.

CC uses the carrot of extra funding to get states to give up control of what is taught n their schools.

@UtahBlueDevil

Actually it won't be left up to the local districts,

The extreme left has created an educational system where local districts are more and more dependent on federal dollars, they will do anything the federal government tells them for those dollars.

A dictatorial system!

And NO local control. No control by parents. "Elites" dictating what you can say, what to think, and what can do. No privacy.

It used to be the stuff of dystopian fiction.

It is common core and socialism.

On one hand, we get all upset when the federal government tells people too much what to do. Then we complain that when they set a 'minimum" standard, it isn't restrictive enough. It is a minimum standard, and that is all. It doesn't tell districts how to teach the subjects. It doesn't prescribe text books, or methods. It sets a basic ground floor.

My wife is an educator. So I am hardly anti-educators. But this belief that a child mush come out of high school with Trig, or calc, and that all must be on a college path, is just wrong. According to published IRS brackets, I am a top 5% earner. And you know what, I didn't take either of those classes. Not in high school. Not in College. And not in my graduate work.

Lets stop this silliness. Your local district is ultimately the entity that decides what is taught in your schools. It isn't anyone in DC. If you want tougher standards, start local.

To "Hamath" I know a lot about Math and its practical applications. I know from first hand experience trying to help my children understand how to do math as taught by the Common Core (CC) standards that the standard is a failure.

For example, when doing simple things like multiplying 2 number that are 2 digits or more the stadard uses a complex algorithim that is very confusing to the teachers trying to teach it, the students, and the parents.

Beyond the bad methods that it teaches, the math standards do not prepare kids for being able to do advanced math because they lack a solid foundation. Rather than having the kids memorize math facts, like multiplication tables up to 12x12, they teach them bits of algebra, geometry, trig, and other things. It sounds good on paper, but what good is it to work on algebra if the kids can barely handle adding and subtracting 2 numbers that are more than single digits?

The rest of common core is similar. For literature they expect 1st graders to write persuasive essays. They can barely verbally express a persuasive argument, and can barely spell.

CC puts meat before milk.

Perhaps the Common Core's standards might have helped the writer of this letter to recognize the grammatical difference between the words "passed" and "past."

Really??, I know about the Math core, And I speak from knowledge on the subject. The Common Core is a good step in the right direction. To say randomly that Trig should be required instead of Algebra II for all students is just a poor argument. The practice standards in the Math section are quite good. The content standards themselves do a better job than previous standards of narrowing down to the most important material that should be covered. Instead of teaching a mile wide and an inch deep curriculum where no one learns anything, if taught right... IF... these standards will lead to deeper understanding.

Are we back to this? I don't know as much about the math core, but the English core is much more rigorous than previous versions. One thing the new language core does, for example, is to teach students how to support their arguments with clear and relevant evidence. After reading so much on the internet over the past decade, I can see how that is a skill that is needed but scares some in the media professions who don't want people to be able to reason through an argument.

Wait, what? Don't you realize that the right wing anti-Obama conspiracy of the summer was the Common Core (along with Bengahzi). Before that, guns! And before that, death panels and birth certificates.

Today, it's all about Obamacare and the gov shutdown! Please, try and keep up.

Ignored? Or accepted?

I grow tired that if I don't believe lock step with the paranoid right wing that I'm labeled "ignorant, low informed voter, and socialist." Just because I'm not paranoid about everything that happens with the government and education doesn't mean I don't care.

Lastly, I graduated from high school before Bush was even reelected to a 2nd term. I don't know of anyone who graduated with Trig. So graduating without Trig has been happening for quite some time now. In fact, probably well before I even graduated from high school.

Not everyone is going to move onto Trig and become engineers and mathematicians.

Repubs, time to move onto the next anti-Obama conspiracy. This Common Core thing has already come and gone.