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Published: Friday, Nov. 1 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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high school fan
Huntington, UT

But then again you have to ask the right question, Is there really anything man can do to avert change which is a natural phenomenon? I am all for doing some things like cleaning up the waterways like we started fifty or so years ago or protecting the rainforest where possible, but there are something's that are totally out of man's control. We cannot sweat stuff that we cannot change.

West Jordan, UT

The "unanimity" of scientists is astounding when it comes to climate change. It feels more like "herd mentality."

Salt Lake City, UT

"We cannot sweat stuff that we cannot change."

Use your imagination. There's far more we can change than you realize.

Moreover, the evidence showing that climate change is the result of human being burning fossil fuels is incontrovertible. Global temperatures are rising, and it's because of us. That's well established. It's not the Sun, it's not volcanoes, and it's not a random anomaly. It's us.

Climate has changed naturally in the past, and will again in the future, but the thing about natural climate change is that it happens very slowly. The climate change we're currently experiencing is happening about 10,000 faster than any previous natural change. Ecosystems can't adapt that fast, and the consequences of that are huge.

It's time to pay attention to the actual research findings, and not the PR spin provided by oil and coal industry funded "think tanks."

We owe it to our grandchildren to act responsibly and rationally _now_.

LDS Tree-Hugger
Farmington, UT

high school fan
Huntington, UT
But then again you have to ask the right question, Is there really anything man can do to avert change which is a natural phenomenon?


But then again,
you have to stop listening to 3 college drop outs on the radio with an obvious political bias and axe to grind
98% of the World's entire Scientific Community.

as to the question:
"Is there really anything man can do to avert change which is a natural phenomenon?"

You mean like;

curing diseases,
cultivating vegatation,
plant and animal life extinctions,
selectively breeding plants and animals,

or if you only refer to changing the natural environment --
like damming a river,
seed a rain cloud,
cause acid rain,
limit or even stop erosion,
start a grass or forest fire,

not to mention genetically modified foods.

Shall I continue?

Orem, UT

Why is it that when it comes to the planet, liberals are all about "saving it for future generations" by mandating huge sacrifices by people today; yet when it comes to saving our financial future, they fight every notion of cutting any of the out-of-control spending programs of the government - thus dooming future generations to financial ruin?

Shut down energy production to keep the oceans from warming another 1/10 of a degree over the next hundred years = GOOD.

Cut government spending by 1% to keep the national debt from expanding by another 10 Trillion over the next 10 years = BAD.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

The fact that one’s views on climate change are so closely tracked to political affiliation is startling and should be seen as proof a priori that people are using things other than reason, logic and facts to form their views.

There’s an excellent article titled “Climate Skeptic vs. Climate Deniers” by Dr. David Brin that explains the PR behind then debate (which is almost entirely political) nicely – his conclusion is that for every true skeptic there are many more deniers although the denier camp likes to think the reverse is true.

And now most of the rest of these comments will be the same old tired battle of cherry-picked “facts” and data “proving” what was really a view created entirely based on emotion (which is largely the basis for most political views).

Salt Lake City, UT

@high school fan
"Is there really anything man can do to avert change which is a natural phenomenon?"

Some changes aren't natural, or aren't entirely natural. Consider the ozone hole. The Montreal Protocol was passed and now the levels of ozone depleting CFCs have fallen the past two decades.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Just remember --

The same Jokester that keeps telling his "ditto-head" listeners that Global Warming is a Hoax,
also tells them [against all Scientific facts otherwise] that tobacco doesn't cause cancer and is actually GOOD for you.

Go figure.

Hayden, ID

@ LDS liberal. When did Rush EVER say tobacco didn't cause cancer or that it is good for you? Making up "facts" is dishonesty.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Tulip – “The "unanimity" of scientists is astounding when it comes to climate change. It feels more like "herd mentality."

Would you characterize scientific unanimity as “astounding” and akin to herd mentality in other areas of science too… areas like - theory of gravity, germ theory of disease, physics, theory of evolution, biology, astronomy, engineering principles… math?

I’m guessing no (if I can be presumptuous) which means that somehow you feel that a large group of individuals trained to be logical, exacting and as bias free as possible (not to mention spending inordinate amounts of time trying to disprove theories) have suddenly, with climate change, put all their training on a shelf and have become as emotional & partisan as… what, a talk radio host?

And nothing about that view strikes you as odd?

one old man
Ogden, UT

Thank you, Mr. Barron, for an excellent letter!

Houston, TX

I read an article yesterday from a reputed source (I think it was the BBC) that spoke of a recent study that determined that the RATE of increase in CO2 is dramatically falling due to choices businesses are making, especially in the US and China. What is remarkable is that this correction is occuring without a Carbon Tax.

I don't disagree that Climate Change is real, and I'm willing to suspend disbelief and accept that we can do something about it. I only object to the assumption that a Carbon Tax would be the appropriate cure.

Sandy, UT

I know, lets deny and bury our head in the sand because it's just too painful to discuss and it might cost us some money, money we will need to pay healthcare providers and especially the administration of healthcare. Never mind that if we honestly worked on healthy (for beings and the earth)changes, then consequences of our neglect would be minimalized and we could save money. Maybe we could progress along with our global competitors over time instead of watching the end of the world advocates in Congress mire us in a perpetual state of obstruction. Some of you forget that most of the policy proposals from the left have their origins from the right. Message=get on the stick.

Salt Lake City, UT

Critics claim environmentalists and global-warming believers want to hurt our economy with carbon emissions restrictions. Sorry, no one wants to impoverish the nation. They just want a renewable, sustainable, stable (rather than the boom/bust nature of fossil fuel exploitation), and clean economy. It is the political motives of the doubters and deniers which should be questioned, as many receive "research" funding from conservative political groups and energy companies.

LDS Tree-Hugger
Farmington, UT

I'm sorry,

But as a Mormon in Utah --
I have YET to read or hear of 1 single Prophet, Apostle, or LDS Doctrine that has EVER said that polluting the earth for man's ease, comfort or low cost is OK with God.

In fact, my LDS meeting House right here in Farmington Utah - built with the Lord's Tithes and Offerings is green [Solar panels, super insulated, low power CFLs and LED lighting, ect.] and enviromentally friendly.

Do the Mormons here listen to them,
or the false "Profits" of AM talk radio?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Climate Options... If we have climate options, I would like to select the climate of Southern California, or maybe Hawaii.

I'm submitting my vote right now...

Everybody join me so we can exercise our climate options and get a BETTER climate here in Utah!

West Jordan, UT

No, it doesn't strike me as odd at all. Why the jab at talk radio? I think they bring some good arguments to the "logical, exacting and bias-free" science of climate change. It's kind of fun listening to their monologues. They always seem to make more sense than the other side and I like things that make sense.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

What climate change?

Demo Dave
Holladay, UT

And that's the problem I have with the Republican perception of climate change. Why would anyone accept the spin of special interest groups over documented scientific findings? It's illogical.

The best thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or not. The same thing cannot be said about opinions.

Salt Lake City, UT

"But physics is no respecter of political party."

True. It's also no respecter of incomplete science. The real "understanding", by alarmist climate scientists, of global climate can be seen in their climate models. They've been proved drastically wrong by actual temperature data, while holding on to their doomsday predictions. Climate scientists, so far, do not understand the complexity of global climate. They have pointed to CO2 as being the definitive "control knob" for climate, while virtually ignoring the impacts of other key components. Eventually, science will gain a better understanding of climate. Beyond taking personal responsibility for our own energy consumption, let's wait until we know a little more before implementing government restrictions and controls on CO2. Up to this point more positives than negatives have resulted from the increase in this highly beneficial gas.

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