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Published: Thursday, Oct. 31 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"The government was created to promote the welfare of the people in hard times. This safety net has kept millions of people from living on the streets."

Kathleen,

No, the government was NOT created to "promote the welfare of the people in hard times."

And Yes, the safety net, used correctly, is a very good thing. We don't want people living on the streets and going hungry.

The challenge is finding the balance between helping those who truly need the help and taking away the incentive to be self sufficient.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

The government has spent trillions of taxpayer dollars on welfare and the number of people on welfare dependency has increased during that same time. Recessions do not create poverty and the government can not solve poverty. The largest demographic of people living in poverty in America are single mothers and 70% of babies born in America have no father in the home. What do we learn from that? Personal responsibility, the law of chastity and self reliance ONLY will solve poverty, not the government's welfare checks.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

According to fair and balanced media, if only we could get rid of all entitlements, min wage, child labor laws, and the EPA, and built a fence between us and Mexico and gave more tax cuts to the rich, everything in our country would be fixed.

The problem isn't that the rich are making too much money, it's that they're making too little.

Once 1 percent owns not only 80 percent of the wealth but 90 percent, I'm sure they'll find it in their good hearts to finally start creating jobs here.

At least, that's what I've been told from fair and balanced media.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Welfare is compassionate and benefits society... when it is used as an actual Safety-Net when things go wrong. Not when it is used by families for a lifetime, as a way of life, generation after generation.

When used appropriately it CAN be a good thing. When abused... it demoralizes the individual and removes their confidence and becomes a crutch they need the rest of their life. Problem is... we all know our human nature is that many of us will tend to abuse programs like this.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I have a friend who, thanks to government assistance, has been able to care for her four children alone, attend school and get a degree instead of working full time at McDonald’s for the rest of her life.

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Not to mention that the degree and education is ALSO a benefit of Government spending.

Some people want Government to become so small and insignificant,
that America would become just another Somalia or Bangladesh.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I don't agree that our government was created to promote welfare of people having hard times. It was created to preserve everyone's liberty and protect and defend all the people ALL the time (not just some people in hard times). But that includes protecting people from disaster in hard times. But welfare is not the primary reason government was created (according to the founding fathers). And welfare isn't government's primary function as defined in our Constitution. But it is one of government's functions.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Mountanman
Hayden, ID
The government has spent trillions of taxpayer dollars on welfare...

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And even more trillions on wasted wars in the Middle East...

I'd rather we spent American tax dollars on caring for our poor and needy in America,
than bombing dirty villages in a desert.

But, you never make a peep or show any outrage over that.

higv
Dietrich, ID

Something for nothing hurts rather than helps people. Are government was not created to rob one person and pay another. People get off the streets better without government help not with it. Churches and individuals help individuals in need not government. And help them hopefully not need the aid as well.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

When we do welfare right, it blesses both giver and receiver. It builds character and fosters unity. The right way to do welfare is to become self-reliant and then to help others to become self-reliant.

When we do welfare wrong, we foster dependency and weakness and division.

I wish I could say the U.S. government was doing it right. I would love to be able to say that.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

When people fail to understand the simple words of the Constitution, how can you expect them to honor it? In the preamble, it states: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

In Article 1, Section 8, those "general welfare duties" are enumerated (listed) so that the people know exactly what they have allowed the federal level of government to tax them for. All other duties are to be left to the States or to the people (10th Amendment).

It's simple. It's plain. It's on world-view for all to see. Ignorance of the words is no excuse. Anyone who has a computer can Google "Constitution" and read it for themselves. Failing that, a trip to a library or to any school would solve the problem.

We must look to ourselves for our personal welfare. The Government's duty is to protect us from enemies, both foreign and domestic, not to nanny us.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Open minded. That's because you forgot(or prefer to ignore) there are evil people and tyrants in the world who want to kill you and others just because they don't like you. Did you forget about 9-11? How about Libya and more recently Syria? What about Hitler, forgot about him too? Where is our outrage about 70% of babies born with no father in the home? Why not any show of outrage that poverty and dependency are only increased by government's welfare? Is dependency and generational poverty compassion to you? By the way, we have spent more money on welfare in America by far than all the wars put together.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

I just wish those who are so dead set against government welfare would be consistent and decry government welfare for corporations and rich people, in the form of subsidies, tax breaks, and other benefits, the cost of which far exceeds the welfare given to poor people. Why can't they practice self-reliance just like the little people?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Curmudgeon. Tax breaks, subsidies and other benefits you refer to, does that include all the teacher's and public sector unions, Solyndra and all other failing green energy corporations, government employees and "rich" Democrats as well?

one old man
Ogden, UT

You left out all the government welfare for big oil, corporations, banks and zillionaires like our recent presidential candidate who can legally hide much of their fortune in offshore banks and other schemes to avoid paying taxes.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Open Minded Mormon,
You love the amount we spend on Welfare... but denounce any money being spent on defense.

Would you be happy getting your welfare check each month... but having attacks like 9/11 in your city each month because we don't defend ourselves??? I wouldn't!

I think it's obvious that we NEED to continue funding defense. I think the Constitution clearly indicates that Defense of our liberty (at home and abroad) is the government's prime responsibility. Giving us paychecks each month is NOT the government's primary responsibility. And yet... our government spends more on sending us checks each month than it spends on Defense. The 2013 budget pie chart I'm looking at indicates 58% of the budget is for social programs, 18% for military, 7% interest on debt, and nothing else is above 4%. I think that's out of wack. 58% in welfare benefits and only 18% for defense? And you think we need to spend MORE on welfare and LESS on defense?

I hope reality is seeping in...

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

I'm deeply opposed to government welfare for individuals.
But corporate welfare is totally moral and ethical. GE and Exxon should continue to profit billions and never pay taxes.
While we're at it let's cut the minimum wage so corporations and investors can keep making massive profits.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Old man. If you knew anything about offshore bank accounts, which I have personally have owned, you would know that all foreign income is fully taxable in the US. Wise up!

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Mike Richards, the definitions of words are often points of disagreement. I don't know what you see in the words "provide for the general welfare" (Art.1.8), but I see among other things prevention of epidemics, public education, and help for the desperate -- without these provisions, our community would soon become unsustainable, not to mention immoral.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@JoeBlow
[No, the government was NOT created to "promote the welfare of the people in hard times."]

...provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty... - US Constitution Preamble

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Well I guess if religions were doing their part to feed and cloth the poor and ill we wouldn't need Government welfare... but they aren't.

Mntman said: "Recessions do not create poverty"

So in the conservative world recessions create opportunity and wealth?

My mistake was thinking of the average American. Now I get it, recessions are a great thing for the wealthy in America because then they can take advantage of being the only folks with money to buy up more of the average America's property and businesses for pennies on the dollar increasing their wealth, ownership and control of the government, the conservative dream.

Mntman said: "you would know that all foreign income is fully taxable in the US. Wise up!"
True, when you claim it, or bring it into the US, otherwise what's the point of offshore accounts other than hiding or laundering money?

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