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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 30 2013 8:45 p.m. MDT

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bribri86
Phoenix, AZ

motorbike

"So let me get this straight, you "come on here" because you're worried about what Ute fans are talking about on a Ute related article? And about our punter no less? Thank you for adding credibility to my first comment."

What are you talking about? I came here to read an article. I read the comments if I'm board. I commented on your comment. Oh, do you think I'm a BYU fan? That's being quite presumptuous don't you think? I haven't said boo (happy Halloween) as to who my affiliation is with, but it's not BYU.

bribri86
Phoenix, AZ

U 90

"@bribri86 "Read the first comment and you'll know why BYU fans come on here (Utah threads). Ute fans need to stop calling out BYU on every single Utah article and maybe they won't come here any more."

How's that for some mad deductive reasoning skills"

Not sure if you're making fun of me or high fiving me. Unfortunately, sarcasm is difficult to interpret on these boards. Either way, I'm always happy to point out the obvious. If you're high fiving me, high five back. If you're making fun of me, whatever makes you feel like the bigger man. Either way, have a great Halloween.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

It's too bad our QB doesn't lead the league in QB rating and our line doesn't lead the league in fewest sacks allowed. That's what is killing Utah; especially the last two weeks.

Gone fishin
PAC Country, WA

Not a good stat to be leading in. It means that Utah punts a lot, hence the horrible record against the weaker part of the conference. Can't wait to see what happens against ASU and Oregon. The punts stats will continue to climb.

Gone fishin
PAC Country, WA

I just did the math and the utes averages 1.6 yards per play in the 2nd half of the USC game. This explains the solid punting numbers. The punter outgained the entire offense on one punt.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

I don't mind ute fans asking why coug fans comment of their articles, but what makes no sense to me is why ute fans who frequently comment on coug articles call us out for commenting.

I'll answer why I comment - because the utes are my 3rd favorite team.

However, if I hated the utes, you can be sure I would never comment. In fact I would never read about the utes.

Now back to the article. Punters who lead in yards per kick are seldom from winning teams. This means the punter is frequently kicking from inside their own 40 and can unleash their longest kick every time.

A much better measurement is how many times the punter pins their opponent inside their 10 or even 5 yard line. This means the offense is getting to mid field, and the punter is focused on placement instead of just distance.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

I am first and foremost a BYU fan. I also root for the Utes and Aggies when they are not facing the Cougars. I don't have a problem with fans of one team or another commenting so long as they contribute something worthwhile that follows the rules established by DNews. The rules are arbitrarily enforced by the paper. Too many comments and entire accounts should not be allowed on the paper as their sole purpose seems to rile up the masses.

Its time DNews require accounts be linked up to verifiable accounts on Facebook or some other source. It is also time DNews censor the offending comments in the sports section.

As for the article, the punter is part of the team and he is doing a strong job. Wilson has more problems than his hand. He has been telling the defense who he will throw it to with his eyes. That leads to tip balls and interceptions. If he doesn't fix this mechanic, Utah will not go bowling.

Removing a redshirt is desperation. If they do, Wilson is done as the Ute starter.

BaneOfHedgehog
Bothell, WA

Hurray for punting! LOL!!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Generally when your punter is the best player on yur team it is not a good thing.

Congratulations?

Down under
Salt Lake City, UT

Ducky,
Agreed. On a good team the punter would ride the bench most of the time and only be used when the offense sputters. Since he is leading the pac means he is also punting a lot which means a sputtering offense. I like fishin's comment that the utes averaged just 1.6 yards per play in the second half. Tough pill to swallow for Chris B and ekute.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Down under: "Since he is leading the pac means he is also punting a lot which means a sputtering offense."

You apparently don't know what he's leading the Pac in, which is only embarrassing for you. He leads the conference in yards per punt, net punt average and punts downed inside the 20 yard line. He does not lead the conference in punts per game. In fact, BYU's current number would lead the Pac by 6 (that's about an entire game's worth of punts!), so that's quite the glass house you're throwing stones from. Tough pill for you to swallow.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

Do you know how many more possessions BYU has per game than the average pac12 team? I'm willing to bet it is probably close if you figured an average of punts per possessions. I don't know the answer to that but I'd be interested to hear what it is. BYU is I think 2nd or 3rd in offensive plays per game so it would seem that would also lend itself to more possessions per game and more punts per game. The relevant stat would be punts per possessions I think.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Duck, that's exactly my point; stats are meaningless without context. Somebody like "Down under gone fishin utah rules etc etc," whatever he/she wants to call him/herself at any given moment, can make up whatever conclusion they want about stats, much of the time even changing them to match their view of how it "should" be. Also, what's funny is that the team whose "best player" is a punter has another player as a semifinalist for an award that another team's best player in a decade is up for. If you truly think Hackett is the team's best player, I'm sure he appreciates the compliment of being considered better than nationally-recognized players!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

Who else on the utah team is leading the conference in anything, let alone multiple things?

Rockarolla
West Jordan, UT

How bad is your team when there is a article on the punter? If the Utes played USU or BYU right now they would lose both games. The Joke of the PAC12=Utah

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Duck,

Dres Anderson: Yards per reception
Trevor Reilly: Fumbles recovered
Keith McGill: Passes defended

There are probably a few others, too, I really didn't bother thinking or looking too hard.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Rockarolla

"The Joke of the PAC12=Utah"

As Larry Scott is authorized to speak on behalf of the Pac-12, here's how the Pac-12 views Utah...

"The integration of Utah within the conference has been terrific...culturally, academically and administratively it's fit in very, very well. In terms of athletic competition and success, there weren't really metrics that we set out...when you expand, when you take new teams into the conference, you really have to do it with a long-term view. When we looked at Utah, we looked at how compatible they were academically and athletically, and over time we know they're going to have their share of success."

-Larry Scott, Deseret News, Oct 3, 2013

It is, indeed, a fantastic time to be a Ute!!

Down under
Salt Lake City, UT

StGto SLC,
Please consider the following:
When Utah punts it is usually on their own 20 so the punter has a lot more room to work with and really unload. When BYU punts it is usually from around midfield so the punter has to hold up on distance. Also consider that BYU runs over 100 plays a game. Utah is no where close to that as you can't get tha many plays off with multiple 3 and out's. That is why BYU has 6 more punts but probably well over 100 plays in all their games.
Nice try though.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

"When Utah punts it is usually on their own 20 so the punter has a lot more room to work with and really unload."

I guess the fact that he leads the PAC in punts down inside the 20 is really impressive then......

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Down under, just like I said, that pill isn't going down for you very well. Consider this:

19/45 (42%) of Hackett's punts have been downed inside the opponents' 20 yard line. If he was "usually" on his own 20, just "unloading" on those, his average would likely be upwards of 50 yards per punt.

"When BYU punts it is usually from around midfield so the punter has to hold up on distance." False. BYU's punter averages barely a yard less per punt than Hackett. Arellano's had 18/53 punts downed inside the opponents' 20. That's almost 10% less than Hackett.

Oh, and BYU doesn't have 6 more punts than Utah. They have 6 more punts than the team that was, until last night, leading the Pac-12 in number of punts. USC, one of the conference's most dismal offensive teams, took the lead last night as they played their 9th game before anyone else. BYU is tied with them in number of punts. Not quite the offensive juggernaut you made them out to be.

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