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Utah Utes football notebook: Sophomore Tom Hackett leads Pac-12 in punting

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  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 5, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Duckhunter, so the fact that Jordan Johnson led BYU (look at that, still able to capitalize names like an adult!) in defended passes last year actually makes it fortunate for them that he's not playing this year or he would just be thrown on and completed against more often? I think not.

    Regarding Dres, I've said myself that he is prone to losing focus and dropping passes. What is pathetic is trying to disparage him and one achievement he has by simply pointing out one flaw. I've seen Hoffman drop several passes he should have caught this year, too. He's still a very good player. Trying to say otherwise would be just as pathetic as trashtalking a receiver with better stats than him.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 5, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    @stg

    I've seen plenty of utah games and yes anderson has dropped a bundle of passes. Let's just go back one game shall we, the usc game, ball hits anderson squarely in the hands, ball bounces off andersons hands, usc player catches the deflection for an interception, and that is not the only time it has happened. You are right, I don't know if he leads the pac12 in drops but I do know he has dropped a LOT of passes so I guaranty he is up there in drops.

    As for mcgill, well leading a league in passes defensed means teams are throwing your direciton a lot. Teams throw your direction a lot because they complete passes your direction a lot. You get more opportunities to knock passes down because more come your way because the result is more often good for the team throwing the ball than it isn't. That is an instance where a stat is misleading because it is more a product of how many passes are thrown at him.

    @no perspective.

    Yes I have comcast so I have the pac12 network. I watch games that interest me.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 8:48 p.m.

    StGtoSLC
    Clearly, Duck has the Pac-12 Channel. Hey, Duck...thanks for your support!

  • MountainMan25 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 8:48 p.m.

    "Great attitude. Just as Utah is the best team in the state, that isn't enough anymore. It used to be enough to make a great season. But now our rivals are USC, ucla, Stanford, Oregon, Colorado, and the rest of the conference of champions. Only a few plays away from beating ucla and Oregon state. More than a few plays away from beating USC and Arizona. Beat top 10 Stanford. Such is life in a power conference. Still have full confidence Whittingham can take us back to the top 10, as he has already done so."

    Drink the Kool-Aid much? I would love that this were the case. Do you think USC (or even UCLA, Stanford, etc.) considers us a rival? Look, USC considers us a rival much like Wyoming considered us a rival. Did you see the poor attendance at the USC game? For a "rivalry" game? Please.

    The fact is, we have no rivals in the PAC 12. Our peers are Washington State and Arizona (we are a cut above CO). But nobody considers us a rival.

    With our current leadership, I see Arizona football as our CEILING. Whit needs to go.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    Duckhunter, oh really, you've watched each and every Pac-12 game and documented how many drops each and every receiver has, and also determined that one specific player on the team with the 4th least completions allowed has given up more completions than any other player? That would be impressive if it were true.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    @stg

    And anderson is also leading the pac12 in dropped passes per game while mcgill is also probably leading the league in passes given up per game. Reilly is a stud.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    Down under, just like I said, that pill isn't going down for you very well. Consider this:

    19/45 (42%) of Hackett's punts have been downed inside the opponents' 20 yard line. If he was "usually" on his own 20, just "unloading" on those, his average would likely be upwards of 50 yards per punt.

    "When BYU punts it is usually from around midfield so the punter has to hold up on distance." False. BYU's punter averages barely a yard less per punt than Hackett. Arellano's had 18/53 punts downed inside the opponents' 20. That's almost 10% less than Hackett.

    Oh, and BYU doesn't have 6 more punts than Utah. They have 6 more punts than the team that was, until last night, leading the Pac-12 in number of punts. USC, one of the conference's most dismal offensive teams, took the lead last night as they played their 9th game before anyone else. BYU is tied with them in number of punts. Not quite the offensive juggernaut you made them out to be.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    "When Utah punts it is usually on their own 20 so the punter has a lot more room to work with and really unload."

    I guess the fact that he leads the PAC in punts down inside the 20 is really impressive then......

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    StGto SLC,
    Please consider the following:
    When Utah punts it is usually on their own 20 so the punter has a lot more room to work with and really unload. When BYU punts it is usually from around midfield so the punter has to hold up on distance. Also consider that BYU runs over 100 plays a game. Utah is no where close to that as you can't get tha many plays off with multiple 3 and out's. That is why BYU has 6 more punts but probably well over 100 plays in all their games.
    Nice try though.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    Rockarolla

    "The Joke of the PAC12=Utah"

    As Larry Scott is authorized to speak on behalf of the Pac-12, here's how the Pac-12 views Utah...

    "The integration of Utah within the conference has been terrific...culturally, academically and administratively it's fit in very, very well. In terms of athletic competition and success, there weren't really metrics that we set out...when you expand, when you take new teams into the conference, you really have to do it with a long-term view. When we looked at Utah, we looked at how compatible they were academically and athletically, and over time we know they're going to have their share of success."

    -Larry Scott, Deseret News, Oct 3, 2013

    It is, indeed, a fantastic time to be a Ute!!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    Duck,

    Dres Anderson: Yards per reception
    Trevor Reilly: Fumbles recovered
    Keith McGill: Passes defended

    There are probably a few others, too, I really didn't bother thinking or looking too hard.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 12:00 a.m.

    How bad is your team when there is a article on the punter? If the Utes played USU or BYU right now they would lose both games. The Joke of the PAC12=Utah

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:36 p.m.

    @stg

    Who else on the utah team is leading the conference in anything, let alone multiple things?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:27 p.m.

    Duck, that's exactly my point; stats are meaningless without context. Somebody like "Down under gone fishin utah rules etc etc," whatever he/she wants to call him/herself at any given moment, can make up whatever conclusion they want about stats, much of the time even changing them to match their view of how it "should" be. Also, what's funny is that the team whose "best player" is a punter has another player as a semifinalist for an award that another team's best player in a decade is up for. If you truly think Hackett is the team's best player, I'm sure he appreciates the compliment of being considered better than nationally-recognized players!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 9:48 p.m.

    @stg

    Do you know how many more possessions BYU has per game than the average pac12 team? I'm willing to bet it is probably close if you figured an average of punts per possessions. I don't know the answer to that but I'd be interested to hear what it is. BYU is I think 2nd or 3rd in offensive plays per game so it would seem that would also lend itself to more possessions per game and more punts per game. The relevant stat would be punts per possessions I think.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 7:28 p.m.

    Down under: "Since he is leading the pac means he is also punting a lot which means a sputtering offense."

    You apparently don't know what he's leading the Pac in, which is only embarrassing for you. He leads the conference in yards per punt, net punt average and punts downed inside the 20 yard line. He does not lead the conference in punts per game. In fact, BYU's current number would lead the Pac by 6 (that's about an entire game's worth of punts!), so that's quite the glass house you're throwing stones from. Tough pill for you to swallow.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    Ducky,
    Agreed. On a good team the punter would ride the bench most of the time and only be used when the offense sputters. Since he is leading the pac means he is also punting a lot which means a sputtering offense. I like fishin's comment that the utes averaged just 1.6 yards per play in the second half. Tough pill to swallow for Chris B and ekute.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    Generally when your punter is the best player on yur team it is not a good thing.

    Congratulations?

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    Nov. 1, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    Hurray for punting! LOL!!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    I am first and foremost a BYU fan. I also root for the Utes and Aggies when they are not facing the Cougars. I don't have a problem with fans of one team or another commenting so long as they contribute something worthwhile that follows the rules established by DNews. The rules are arbitrarily enforced by the paper. Too many comments and entire accounts should not be allowed on the paper as their sole purpose seems to rile up the masses.

    Its time DNews require accounts be linked up to verifiable accounts on Facebook or some other source. It is also time DNews censor the offending comments in the sports section.

    As for the article, the punter is part of the team and he is doing a strong job. Wilson has more problems than his hand. He has been telling the defense who he will throw it to with his eyes. That leads to tip balls and interceptions. If he doesn't fix this mechanic, Utah will not go bowling.

    Removing a redshirt is desperation. If they do, Wilson is done as the Ute starter.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 31, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    I don't mind ute fans asking why coug fans comment of their articles, but what makes no sense to me is why ute fans who frequently comment on coug articles call us out for commenting.

    I'll answer why I comment - because the utes are my 3rd favorite team.

    However, if I hated the utes, you can be sure I would never comment. In fact I would never read about the utes.

    Now back to the article. Punters who lead in yards per kick are seldom from winning teams. This means the punter is frequently kicking from inside their own 40 and can unleash their longest kick every time.

    A much better measurement is how many times the punter pins their opponent inside their 10 or even 5 yard line. This means the offense is getting to mid field, and the punter is focused on placement instead of just distance.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Oct. 31, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    I just did the math and the utes averages 1.6 yards per play in the 2nd half of the USC game. This explains the solid punting numbers. The punter outgained the entire offense on one punt.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Oct. 31, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    Not a good stat to be leading in. It means that Utah punts a lot, hence the horrible record against the weaker part of the conference. Can't wait to see what happens against ASU and Oregon. The punts stats will continue to climb.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 31, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    It's too bad our QB doesn't lead the league in QB rating and our line doesn't lead the league in fewest sacks allowed. That's what is killing Utah; especially the last two weeks.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    U 90

    "@bribri86 "Read the first comment and you'll know why BYU fans come on here (Utah threads). Ute fans need to stop calling out BYU on every single Utah article and maybe they won't come here any more."

    How's that for some mad deductive reasoning skills"

    Not sure if you're making fun of me or high fiving me. Unfortunately, sarcasm is difficult to interpret on these boards. Either way, I'm always happy to point out the obvious. If you're high fiving me, high five back. If you're making fun of me, whatever makes you feel like the bigger man. Either way, have a great Halloween.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    motorbike

    "So let me get this straight, you "come on here" because you're worried about what Ute fans are talking about on a Ute related article? And about our punter no less? Thank you for adding credibility to my first comment."

    What are you talking about? I came here to read an article. I read the comments if I'm board. I commented on your comment. Oh, do you think I'm a BYU fan? That's being quite presumptuous don't you think? I haven't said boo (happy Halloween) as to who my affiliation is with, but it's not BYU.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    A good punter and kicker gets you straight to the Rose bowl right? Mark it down! How many stars did those boys have Christy? These are the bright spots on your team so they are bound to be 5 star athletes.

  • SEC Rules Seminole, FL
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    Not such a good stat to have. You guys can do better. You will do better.

    There is good to go around all over the State of Utah when it comes to FBS Football. If the team getting off the plane at the Salt Lake Airport is Alabama, USC or whomever…and whether they have to travel East to the Utes, South to the Cougs or travel North to the Aggies…they are going to be in for a fight. I pity that team. Win or lose, that team will go home sore and bruised.

    You guys (meaning Utah, BYU or USU) “don’t go quietly into the night”.

  • The Moose Southern, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    Back on topic--He's doing a great job. Field position does matter. I hope Travis is healed. In my opinion, they should have sat him the Arizona game. Again, just my opinion but if he took the extra week to heal before Arizona, probably would have been 100% at USC and that could have made a major difference. We need him healthy to win.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    Sure, When you go three and out on every series the punter will get lots of chances to pad his numbers. Since Utah's football season is over can we start to talk basketball?
    Oh, never mind.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    @bribri86 "Read the first comment and you'll know why BYU fans come on here (Utah threads). Ute fans need to stop calling out BYU on every single Utah article and maybe they won't come here any more."

    How's that for some mad deductive reasoning skills

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 31, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    @ motorbike
    I am a ute fan and Cougar fan
    because cougar fan are often attacked
    I think this kid is a great punter and this really does help win games

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Great job punting! Special Teams is a very important part of the team and helps keep lower performing parts of the team in the game.

    @motorbike, why do you assume they're Cougar fans just because they dis the U?

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    Fact is the kid is a solid punter. Nice job for a sophomore.

    Why is Whitt keeping Manning on the bench, and risk missing a bowl game? Did he not see the qb stats at USC?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    bribri86

    "Read the first comment and you'll know why BYU fans come on here. Ute fans need to stop calling out BYU on every single Utah article and maybe they won't come here any more."
    -----------
    So let me get this straight, you "come on here" because you're worried about what Ute fans are talking about on a Ute related article? And about our punter no less? Thank you for adding credibility to my first comment.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    He wont win the Hizeman because we're one of the only schools to ever win one.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 31, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    motorbike

    Read the first comment and you'll know why BYU fans come on here. Ute fans need to stop calling out BYU on every single Utah article and maybe they won't come here any more.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Oct. 31, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    Yeah, motorbike, it either speaks volumes of the order of football in Utah, OR the fact that there just isn't much to read about BYU this morning -- otherwise, why would BYU fans OR Utah fans be wasting their time on an article about a PUNTER?

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Oct. 31, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    Well, there ya go -- there ARE a couple of bright spots for the utes. Through the haze of another frustrating season emerges the best punter -- AND place kicker -- in the state. So THAT'S something to build on....

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    He should win the hiesman for sure.

    Go Utes!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 7:09 a.m.

    Three of five comments on an article about a Utah PUNTER are from Cougie fans. Speaks volumes about the order of things in the state of Utah when it comes to football.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 11:38 p.m.

    The truth is, not a single team in the PAC 12 even remotely considers Utah their rival, not even Colorado, who is nothing more than a dance partner forced to play the Utes during rivalry week.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    Seriously with all of that practice he should be leading the nation. All joking aside he has done a nice job for Utah as has their skier kicker until the last game.

    Chris b errr lifelong ute,

    Pretty sure none of those schools you listed as your rivals would consider Utah to be their rival except maybe Colorado. Keep touting the power conference thing though. At least Utah has that. I'm just hoping I will be able to catch one of their next few games on tv before the season is over. At least I can catch them on ESPN when they play BYU. Oh wait is that over now as well?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 10:23 p.m.

    Hackett's been a great punter since he stepped on campus. The fact that he pushed for playing time last year while Sellwood spent most the season leading the nation in punting speaks for a lot. His average would probably be a bit higher if not for the offense moving the ball significantly better than last year. The fact that he's put 19 of his 45 punts inside the 20, 7 of those inside the 10, and only 3 touchbacks (at least one of which only reaching the end zone because of an error by the coverage team), is his most impressive statistic, in my opinion. Keep it up, Tom!

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 30, 2013 10:10 p.m.

    He should be a great punter - Utah's offense gives him plenty of practice.

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    Great attitude. Just as Utah is the best team in the state, that isn't enough anymore. It used to be enough to make a great season. But now our rivals are USC, ucla, Stanford, Oregon, Colorado, and the rest of the conference of champions. Only a few plays away from beating ucla and Oregon state. More than a few plays away from beating USC and Arizona. Beat top 10 Stanford. Such is life in a power conference. Still have full confidence Whittingham can take us back to the top 10, as he has already done so.