Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this article is trying to tell me that
BYU-Provo scored a perfect ten on best non-drinking and drug free campus whereas
BYU-Idaho scored something less than a perfect 10. That means that there are
drinkers and drug users at BYU-I but not on the main campus. Am I the only one
who sees a credibility problem here?
I object. chocolate milk and frozen yogurt are not very healthy. Some of the
biggest people I have ever seen in my life were students at Brigham Young.
Utgottalove MaxieNevertheless, chocolate milk and yogurt are hardly
as unhealthy as cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs. Some of the skinniest people
I've ever seen are people who use meth, cocaine, speed, ect. And many
people admit that if they didn't smoke, they'd put on 30 pounds.
UgottaloveMaxie,Strange that in my time as a student at BYU I did
not see very many obese people as compared to the general population. I
didn't even see many who were obviously overweight. Of course there were
some, but not many. Even in my single student wards while at BYU, the heavier
people tended to be UVU students or students of other colleges or not students
at all. But I agree with Tyler McArthur, this and your post is just anecdotal
evidence. Looks like there is some from both sides of the argument.
I'm not sure too many people really care about this? I know plenty of BYU
grads that are not exactly skinny. Let's not blow our horn about our
supposed goodness all the time. There are a lot of good schools and good kids
in this country that don't only attend BYU.
1800 die each year of over drinking.And yet many will avoid schools like BYU
simply because of those rules.. Interesting isn't it.. Choices?
How about Baylor, SMU, TCU, Oral Roberts, Bob Jones U?. Last I heard Waco was
dry. Where were those schools?
It would be nice if BYU could get some more healthy options, especially for
their education week customers. They have very little that helps people on
special diets, such as diabetics. It would really help if they would make some
sugar free or low carb items. Going to education week shouldn't mean
gaining weight. Even though they do have a salad people can buy, you don't
want to eat the same thing for 4 or 5 days.
Using that criteria to say BYU is the "healthiest" is a little
questionable. Responsible drinking isn't inherently unhealthy.Are we
claiming that West Point, USNA, USAFA are unhealthy because some of the people
that attend those schools may drink? I bet the average plebe in Annapolis is in
much better shape than the average BYU student, because they have to be in shape
if they hope to graduate. Other schools like Arizona State are also very
physically fit despite being on the opposite end of being "stone-cold
sober" because the culture of ASU really values physical fitness. By
focusing on alcohol consumption the study ignores other important aspects of
health. Mainly exercise.
VAggie: Did you even read the criteria that was used? It isn't just
alcohol but it includes tobacco and drugs. I can tell you that all the military
schools do not pass on either of those subjects nor Arizona State. So your
point is mute. There are just as good if not better athletes at BYU but they
are there more for the education. Most of the cadets at the military school
have to be recommended. You just can't go there so before you start
praising these schools you really need to look that it is nothing but getting
drunk on most weekends. Binge drinking appears more often at US Universities
and is a major cause of death. So yea, I'll take BYU over either every
I live in Utah County and run 6 days a week usually at least 12 miles. There is
not a day when I do not see at least one person going 8:00 per mile or faster
(not counting my kids). When I travel to various places in the US that are much
more densely populated than the Utah County I struggle to find a runner in that
I'm saying it shouldn't be such a heavy weight towards alcohol. And
being "stone cold sober" doesn't make you any healthier. If I want
to have a beer at lunch that is no more unhealthy than a chick fil a meal that
you can now get on campus at BYU (the beer has much less empty calories).Where in the criteria did it take into consideration "do you even
lift bro"... Exercise is much more indicative of overall health than if
someone drinks or not. The article and criteria is about health.
Exercise habits seem a lot more relevant to me than if someone chooses to party
on the weekends.
Also, the hard drugs mentioned earlier really are not as prevalent as some seem
to think on most college campuses. It's almost a non-issue. Being drug free
isn't a BYU or BYUI only value. Most people in college will not touch hard
drugs like cocaine, meth,mdma,LSD, heroine, etc. Such a small % of addicts make
it to college, and even a lesser % graduate. Very small % of populations admit
to using hard drugs.
What about prescription drugs?Utah is eighth in the nation when it
comes to overdose deaths due to prescription pain killers, killing 16.9 per
100,000 in 2010 alone.(Standard Examiner)(West Virginia was
ranked number one in the nation for prescription drug abuse and overdoses)
Comments here would suggest allot of people smoke and drink but refrain from
chocolate milk and yogurt for health purposes- I'll have to pay more
attention, that's a health fad I've never observed and wasn't
@Utexmom. What is wrong with eating a salad everyday for one week? If one is
concerned about weight gain, a salad is a perfect option. You can get dressing
on the side. Get a sandwich in a wrap or discard all or most of the bread on a
regular Subway sandwich. Get a rice bowl with just veggies. Plan
ahead. Perhaps you could bring your own lunch. Local stores sell fruit and
vegetables in their produce departments. Buy some deli meat (protein) or fried
chicken and eat cold the next day. Stay in a hotel that has a fridge and you can
keep enough on hand to last the whole week.
GrannySaint George, UT@Utexmom. I have to agree.
I am on a specialized diet that no-one will cater to, but by planning ahead and
making careful choices, I have not been derailed when traveling.The
more interesting commentary is that, if helthier choices would be supported by
the purchasing public, they would be made available. Case in point:I attended the University of Houston football game, and before the game,
several of us noticed vendors making their way up and down the stands with trays
of beer. By early in the first quarter, on the BYU side of the field, the beer
was replaced with diet Coke...
must be all that food from the BYU Creamery.
@cstott;How many more die each year of obesity related illnesses?@Y Grad / Y Dad;Hate to inform you, but a diet coke is no
more healthy than a beer. Studies have shown that diet softdrinks increase
What I've never understood about college drinking by freshman and
underclassmen in general is that alcohol is illegal below age 21. I've not
naive regarding the fact that middle school and high school students obtain/use
alcohol. But it the widespread, basically open use, that defies logic
especially when (as this article reminds) college administrators wring their
hands about binge drinking and alcohol problems with students. Aside from legal
ramifications, I'm baffled as to why, if they care so much, they don't
maintain policies of of expulsion for alcohol use.Or rather...
yeah... they really don't care.
RanchHow many people die from accidents caused by people driving
under the influence of diet soft drinks?
@deductive reasoning;How many people drinking their open containers
of softdrinks while driving are not paying attention to the road as they fiddle
with their fattening fare?
re:Y Grad / Y DadDiet coke as bad as beer? Balderdash. Diet Coke has
no alcohol....no liver damage and no drunkenness. I will say eating cake and
icecream is 100 times worse than drinking Diet Coke. I laugh at those who want
to tie Coke into the Word of Wisdom yet think nothing of producing plate fulls
of brownies for the Relief Society luncheon. One big brownie will tip the scales
at over 1000 calories plus all the other bad stuff in it. Wash that brownie down
with a big glass of whole milk and you are on track for some major trouble
...around the waste line and inside your veins. I know this...as a runner I can
drink a diet coke from time to time no problem but I eat a couple of brownies
and my times slow to a crawl.
Oh, drinking was a category as was drug use. I was wondering why the Univ. of
Vermont and UC-Boulder weren't on here since those are typically considered
the most fit universities.
@Ranch, Y Grad/Y Dad was not saying that Diet Coke is healthier than beer, he
was offering a case in point to support his comment that vendors sell what
@ patriot,You are comparing irresponsible alcohol use to average use
of soda. Alcohol is bad when people use it irresponsibly, like getting behind a
wheel or using so much that they have liver damage. An average portion of soda
has about the equivalent of 12 packets of sugar. Risks of soda include obesity,
hypertension (which can cause heart attacks), loss of energy... Using soda
irresponsibly is risky behavior, just like using alcohol irresponsibly.
@VAggie,Using soda irresponsibly IS risky behavior, but NOT like using
alcohol irresponsibly. I don't need to cite any examples.
I suspect they neglected to include BYU-Idaho because of its name, thinking that
perhaps it is just an extension of the BYU campus, rather than an independent
univserity. Most universities have Extension campuses outside their
central campus. (I know both Weber and Utah State have a number of satellite
campuses strewn across the state...) --Ray