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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 29 2013 11:15 p.m. MDT

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Glenn L
Nauvoo, IL

When members of the LDS Church sustain President Thomas S. Monson as their Prophet, i.e., God's spokesman to all mankind, they consider the decisions led by him in conjunction with those in the presiding counsels of the Church (First Presidency, Quorum of the Twelve, Presiding Bishopric) to be both reasoned and inspired. For me, it's not what I "like" or "agree with," that's important, but what God's Prophet supports and promotes. Maybe we should look for a deeper meaning in the Church's decision to support the inclusion of young men who have same-sex attraction who also agree to abide by God's laws pertaining to sexual morality, i.e., laws of sexual restraint and purity. I believe a review of the Church position at its new Church-sponsored website helps us understand this position and why it's being taken. Understanding is always a good thing. And Our Savior showed us by his reaching out to sinners, publicans, Samaritans, and lepers we're not to exclude those who are different from us from our world in hopes we might be able to bless them with His Gospel by what we say and do.

Just an Observer
Salt Lake City, UT

While their is no official directive to go fishing in the Church, the pressure to send boys out camping is very real, and I do think it is based on cultural influences of top leadership. My son has no interest in going camping, yet that is a central focus for his age group. Since I doubt that would be the case if the Church had ended up being headquartered in many other areas of the world, including in the US, I don't know why we have to assume camping (or Scouting) is part and parcel of living the gospel. I am grateful that the Church has programs for kids, to be sure. But, quite frankly, show me a boy with involved parents, who plays a sport and a musical instrument, and I'll show you a kid who will end up much better rounded and prepared for adulthood than a boy without those things who does a checklist of items to get merit badges and rankings. No, they aren't without value, but I think the Church can do considerably better than focusing exclusively on one type of experience that doesn't appeal to all.

RedShirtMIT
Cambridge, MA

Wow, there is a lot of hatred towards scouting. It sure sounds like there are a lot of people out there that missed the who point of the Scout program.

Earning badges is only secondary. Its main purpose is to build young men into honorable men that are united in a common cause.

You can take an LDS Scout from the midwest and put them with a Baptist Scout from New York city, and they already share a common bond through the scout program.

Within the LDS church, the Scout program has been a great tool to maintain contact with inactive families that want their kids to be Scouts.

The question to you nay-sayers that hate scouting is what organization out there can bring people of different religions and cultures together like scouting?

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

I think it's shortsighted to suggest the LDS Church just throw away Scouting. This is much bigger than all that. Boys have a precious 10 years from the time they start Cub Scouts until they're eligible for Missionary service; having a program built and dedicated for much of the prime learning ages of these boys not easily created. Scouting teaches values and if it is solely focused on merit badges then the leaders are letting the boys down and wasting some of that precious time.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Joeblow: Life is a choice and so are your actions. I can't help how you think, feel, or speak. That is your domain, between you and God or whomever you direct your thought. We have lost the art of working things out alone in this country. People want to drag everyone into their challenges, whatever those are. Everyone has challenges. They are best left between you and God. To say that I don't care is a stretch. I believe you need to live your life with the grand opportunity to live it as you see fit, without my assistance or deference. This is just another reason why I see limited government as the only answer to allow everyone the same opportunity and only gives the government the power to defend me in those rights specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Liberty can make people more miserable or happier, but it also insures my agency, something that is in great retreat today!

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

This event was a celebration of 100 years of Scouting in the LDS Church. It was an excellent production. I am dissapointed to see that so many who did not even see the event or went to it with their preconceived notions express hatred for movement that has blessed and strengthened so many for so long.

Many profess to sustain their Prophet but turn around and essentially deride him for the direction take, even expressing hatred for the programs of the Church.

I wish all could attend LDS week at Philmont and see the vision of the Leadership of the LDS Church. The LDS Church's affiliation is not just for LDS young men and boys it is for all.

bj-hp
Maryville, MO

To those who fail to see the good of scouting then let me put it this way. There are many who put sports and other things above the boy. Money generally is the reason for this. Yet, out of all those who do sports, less than 1% ever will. Sports and others avenues teaches the youth to work hard to get where they want to go. Funny but Scouting does the same identical thing. Scouting is the activity arm of the Aaronic Priesthood and the Young Men Program. Those of you who disagree need to take a step back and understand the Church tried something similar to scouting before it came along. For 100 years it has been a great program and it will continue to be as long as there are leaders and parents willing to do so. The Duty to God will never replace what scouting does. If you don't like camping then you need to see what nature actually is for.

Read the Ensign article this month and you will understand where Scouting came from and where it is going.

Mom of 8
Hyrum, UT

There's a simple alternative to BSA already in place: Duty to God. Some here have expressed dismay that if the church severed ties with BSA nothing would be left for the boys. But there is, and we can create a YM's camp just as we do with YW.

I've known of wards where the traditional boy scout camp was replaced with a camp based on the scriptures. Bows and arrows taught the boys about Nephi; trail blazing became a lesson in the Israelites in the wilderness or Zion's Camp. And one creative ward even did rope tying as a parallel to when Nephi's brothers tied him on the mast of the ship!

Not only can we replace BSA, I'm confident we in the church can create experiences that are far more enlightening and less restrictive than Scouting. You know, not every boy likes to camp.

The costs would also decrease dramatically. Each little merit badge, made of thread and glue, that the boys earn cost an average of $2.50. Courts of Honor costs literally hundreds of dollars for those little patches made in China (yes--China).

Oh, we can do so much better!

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@Wei Wei O Washte

"To all naysayers I say are you going to follow the Prophet or not?"

@That's A Good One

"Apples and oranges. I never heard a prophet declare, on behalf of the church, that fishing is a church sanctioned program... To compare scouting with fishing is disingenuous."

@Glenn L

"members...sustain President Thomas S. Monson as their Prophet, i.e., God's spokesman to all mankind, they consider the decisions led by him....to be both reasoned and inspired.

It is not disingenuous. Doesn't mean I don't follow the prophet. Inspiration doesn't make it prophecy. To sanction or support something is one thing. I have heard a prophet declare how much he likes fishing and would promote it as a good activity also. Doesn't mean I have to do it.

With that said, I have never heard a prophet say I was not following him because I don't care for scouting. I have also never heard a prophet say I can't have a temple recommend because I don't agree with scouting. I have also never heard a prophet say that being part of scouting was from revelation. Never!

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Banderson,

Thanks for the response, how did you get onto "limited government" based on my question to you?

You said that the goal of the scouting change is to make scouts gay.
How would that be accomplished?

Do you believe that you could be "made" to change sexual orientation? If so, how?

Vernal Mom
Vernal, UT

@ TX VET:

Thank you for your remarks. You are spot on.
It's about the boys I serve, and the values I try to teach them.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

I'm saddened by the numerous comments that the Church will only keep Scouting until Pres. Monson dies. That could have been said about the last 9 prophets. Folks, the Church will keep supporting Scouting as long as the Lord wants it to.

We keep saying that the Church could put on a better program on its own, and that may be true. However, the Lord encourages Scouting because it is a program that also positively affects many millions of boys who aren't members of the Church.

The Lord directs us to promote worthy causes and to do much good on their own. The Welfare Program isn't just for Saints; we try to help Tsunami and Earthquake victims no matter what church, if any, they belong to.

Finally, for those who worry about last year's decision by Scouting, I affirm that it was a good one. Why not let young men with Same Sex Attraction be in contact with "normal" boys. These SSA boys are in a period when they are pondering their identity, and it is good for them to not be isolated from their peers.

greatbam22
andrews afb, MD

All you posters need to remember the scripture 1 Nephi 2:15 and it's correlation to scouting! :)

MatchboxWhistler
Atlanta, GA

Scouting is primarily for US boys. Since there are now more members outside of the US than in it, is this conversation even relevant any longer?

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

@RedWings,

Thank you for sharing that experience! I think many of us want to hear more experiences like yours so we all can really have a better understanding of SSA.

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

When my Scout master brought a plug-in neon fire to the Stake Center and plugged it in and turned off the lights and asked that we sit around it and tell stories, it dawned on me that Scouting wasn't for me.

John20000
Cedar Hills, UT

Didn't see the broadcast. Probably won't. That said, when my church youth leaders ran scouting on our activity night (when I was a youth), we did all kinds of things I still remember like first aid, sculpture, fingerprinting, service projects, and outdoors stuff. When I had leaders that didn't run scouting on our activity night, we played basketball. I experienced both.

Kaladin
Greeley, CO

Scouting was great when I was a youth. So many great memories camping, hiking, serving. I am an Eagle Scout. I spent my teenage summers working at a camp for boy scouts. It was the best thing I could have done. Unfortunately, there have been many changes to scouting since then - most of them not for the better. I don't know what is best now. I don't have any scouting age children yet, so I will have to wait and see how things are being run by then. For some scouting is and was a great experience. For others, not so much. A lot of this has to do with how many boys are in their area and how much effort the leaders put into the program.

Carol P. Warnick
Ephraim, Utah

A wonderful presentation that truly depicts what Scouting is to young men. My husband and I have been involved in Scouting for many years and we have seen the results of this program in the lives of boys and men. May the Scouting program ever stay strong in it's purpose.

bj-hp
Maryville, MO

The thing is that the more the leaders and parents are involved the more the young men will be enthused. The Duty to God is not a scouting thing at all. It is the same as the Personal Progress and does not substitute Scouting in the least. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is led by a Prophet of God who gives insight and revelations pertaining to the whole church. Since, President Joseph Fielding Smith through President Thomas Spencer Monson the Scouting Program is at the fore front of the Young Men program. It is time for many of you to get on board with this and see the good it does for all boys whether they are members of the LDS Church or not. Our scouting program is also a missionary tool as we should have in our troops both LDS and non-LDS young men. We are allowed to go out and recruit boys from outside our own circle. If this is done not only will scouting be in effect when the Savior comes but the lives of boys every where will be blessed. GET ON BOARD.

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