So far, the only people I've seen crying are conservatives.
Oh good!Using this very same argument then all those who voted for
Reagan and/or Bush cannot complain about the economic situation nor the debt,
since these 2 Presidents are most responsible for the current plight we're
in. This would essentially eliminate 99.9 percent of what is said on fair and
balanced news and AM radio! Complaining about the debt and economic
situation even though you voted for Reagan and Bush is merely, crocodile tears!
As John said, maybe we will learn from our experience? Maybe
we'll learn from the anti-tax, anti-regulation, and "trickle down
economics" that this only hurts most of us while enriching the very few.
Maybe next time we won't reelect a President who sends us to 2 wars while
handing out tax cuts (which mostly benefit his rich friends).
"peer through campaign rhetoric that is designed to deceive a gullible
electorate for the sake of retaining power."I suppose that you
bought into Romney's campaign promises that he would- lower tax
rates by 20% across the board- increase military spendingAnd
still manage to - balance the budgetAnd he would give you all
the details right after he was elected.Newsflash. Politicians will
say anything to get elected, even Republicans.
Crocodile Tears?Is that sort of like listening to Utah Republicans
complaining about Senator Orrin Hatch and voting for him time and again anyway
after 35 years?How about cheering on Mike Lee threatening a
Government shutdown, and then crying like little babies about it when it
actually happens?How about voting for GW Bush and then complaining
about;Federal Spending, WallStreet Bail Outs, NSA spying, Endless un-funded Wars, and complete economic meltdown, and high
unemployment?BTW - I didn't vote for Obama [or Bush, or
Clinton, or Bush Sr.] in any of the elections for the last 30 years, but they
are/were STILL my Presidents, just as they are yours.
It's _way_ too early to be declaring the ACA a failure or a success.What we do see is that for most people who have to buy health insurance
privately (a tiny % of the population), the states that cooperated in the
creation of insurance exchanges are doing well, and that states that refused to
participate are experiencing problems getting its citizens signed-up.Some people who have had cheap "catastrophy-only" policies are
discovering that these substandard policies don't meet ACA minimum
requirements, and so yes, a tiny number of people are "losing" their
health insurance. But they can sign up for much better health insurance
policies at prices much better than were previously available, or never
available, to them.Conservatives just hate hate hate the ACA, and
now they're angry angry angry that people are having trouble signing up for
This letter is the kind of discourse we do not need. What good can come from
it? Every president elected in my lifetime has been liar to one degree or
another. What is the point? Politicians are politicians.
Other than the registration problems, I'm quite pleased with ACA so far. My
insurance has changed, but my daughter who couldn't get affordable
insurance for her young family now has it. I think it's going to work.
I did not get what I voted for. Single payer health care.
Question for people like the letter writer.Would you rather the ACA
be a colossal success or a complete failure?Be honest.
Ok, and those who voted for Reagan and the Bushes have no right to complain
about deficits and massive war costs.
Real Maveric,Barack has added 7 trillion to the debt. That's
almost as much as every other president in the history of our country combined.
Barack is a failure.
I'm not complaining or crying, nothing changed for my health insurance
which is a very common insurer round these parts. I work for a small business
with 3 diabetics on staff, with various degrees of ongoing health challenges and
our insurance went up a small % which it has every year for the last 15 or so. I
have used my insurance once, for a dislocated shoulder I couldn't manage to
get back in myself. Total bill was less than 2 months premiums. Should I complain about my good health and luck in avoiding bankrupting
accidents? As a member of society I'm glad my premiums can offset
those who haven't been so lucky, and it really is just luck.Nope the only Crocodile tears’ seem to come from rabid radio fans second
hand hearsay and unsubstantiated, "I know a guy, who's mother's
sister had a cousin who's premiums went up 1,000,000%.
I can't believe that vote matters.
RanchHand is right. You will never see any of Obama's supportive posters
complain about ANYTHING the great Obama does. That would be make them a
heretic.They will support WHATEVER Obama does... no matter what.
They won't acknowledge any problems or criticize anything Democrats do, no
matter what goes wrong.
Complaining about the ACA is boring.Suggesting alternatives or
improvements to the ACA is cool.Deseret News, don't publish
boring letters -- choose to be cool.
Hutterite,How did you vote for Single-Payer Healthcare? I didn't
see that on the ballot.Obama supporters also claim they voted for
the ACA. I never saw the ACA on any ballot either. People keep claiming they
voted for it, but I don't think so. You can vote for Obama, but that
isn't the same as voting for the ACA.Last time I checked only
people in Congress got to vote for or against the ACA. And we're not in
Congress... so we probably didn't get to vote for it, or against it. We
may have voted for a REPRESENTATIVE who promised to vote for/against it... but
that's not the same as actually voting for/against ACA, or Single-Payer
healthcare, etc.And just WANTING something, or campaigning for
something (like Single-payer government healthcare) isn't the same as
actually voting for it.IF you really want single-payer government
healthcare... quit your job and you will eventually qualify for Medicaid (which
IS Single-Payer Government Healthcare). If you really want it so bad...
it's already available. But most working people don't seem to WANT
to switch to Medicaid.
Chris B - How much of that $7 trillion was mandatory, non-discretionary spending
that was in place before Obama took office? That is not a rhetorical
question, please answer it with an actual number. If you refuse to answer or
can't do honest research to find that number, you really have no business
throwing blame around for debts and/or deficits. I am not an Obama
fan, I vote third party; but reckless statements such as yours need to be
reigned in. Please, do some independent research and you'll find out who
was truly behind the lion's share of that debt spending.
@2 bits.I see left leaning folks, liberals and others complain all
the time about specific reasons they are displeased with Obama.What I
don't see is unfounded rhetoric parroted from their radios without so much
as looking up the misinformation they gleefully post day after day.Right above your post is an example: Hutterite said: I did not get what I
voted for. Single payer health care.A little further up-Open Minded
Mormon said: BTW - I didn't vote for Obama [or Bush, or Clinton, or Bush
Sr.] in any of the elections for the last 30 years, but they are/were STILL my
Presidents, just as they are yours.Nope the radio fans seem to use
faith over logic and hate in place of reason.I see well thought out
comments from most of the above posters who may point out the hypocrisy of the
"right" in defense of what they acknowledge isn't the only or best
answers to problems the country faces, but at least it's an attempt to fix
a problem instead of obstruction and status quo.Obama is not a
religion, even though the right has cast him as the devil.
Heretic,Do you realize that when you just ASSUME that any thought
that's critical of Obama MUST have come from the right-wing radio
conspiracy... you make your comment sound totally partisan and hollow?Even "Right-Wing" people CAN have their own thoughts. Not every
criticism of Obama comes from the oft blamed but mostly fictional Right-Wing
Radio conspiracy. Obama IS a religion to SOME people. Global
Warming IS religion to SOME people. Party politics ARE like religion to some
people.As for the "even if you didn't vote for him,
He's your President" comment... I agree with that. But were you
saying the same thing when many Democrats nationally and many of the people who
post their support for Obama in the DesNews every day were the same people who
couldn't accept Bush as their President, either because they didn't
vote for him, or because they were convinced that IF enough appeals would have
been allowed there would have been a way to make Gore the winner, or Kerry the
winner??If you DID post the same sentiments back then... I respect
Prison. Free FoodFree HealthcareFree Room and BoardEqual payFree EducationOnly the Guards Have Guns. Liberal Paradise. They call it prison for a reason and this is it.
To "Blue" what do you mean it is too early to call the ACA a failure.
Even the complete title shows that it is a failre. It is the Affordable Care
Act.Tell us, with an average of 73% increase in the cost of
insurance in 45 states, how does that make it more affordable?CBS
News reported that "More than 2 million people getting booted from existing
health insurance plans" That means that 2 million people lost their
insurance, thanks to the ACA.Thanks to the ACA many doctors are
retiring early, going cash only, or are dropping Medicare patients. This makes
access to medical services more difficult and costly for some.The
ACA has caused many employers to cut back hours for part time workers.The ACA increased taxes on medical device companies, making life saving
devices and medications more expensive.Tell us again how it has
Help me out here Red.You claim that costs are going up and that
"thanks to the ACA many doctors are retiring early"I highly
doubt that they are retiring because they are getting paid more.So,
where is all that money going?
@RedShirtMITAnd besides CBS, got any references for those claims"Tell us, with an average of 73% increase in the cost of insurance
in 45 states, how does that make it more affordable?"So is Utah Not
one of those states cause mine didn't go up that much and no one I've
talked to has led me to believe that they've been hit with a 73% increase.
To "JoeBlow" those are not my claims, that is what the feedback has been
from the ACA.See "Obamacare Is a Raw Deal for Millennials"
in USA Today. There we find that for the young adults they are experiencing
235% increase in their insurance premiums.Read "New York doctors
flee Obamacare: ‘I plan to retire’" in the Washington Times and
"Obamacare has doctors planning exit" in WND to see that many Doctors
are looking to get out of the business or go cash only thanks to the ACA.So, you agree that the ACA will make care more expensive because what
doctors remain will be able to charge a premium for their services.In theory the money is going from the younger healthy people to pay for the
retired people. Some call this generational theft.
Joe Blow"..,where is all that money going?" That my friend
is the question of the 21st century. I believe that you, I, or most anyone else
could have done for this country what needed to be done if we had been given 7
trillion dollars to spend. That there has not been much improvement in the
problems that existed in 2008, leads me to believe that we may have our first
"trillionaire" hiding out somewhere in the U.S. Because the country
certainly does not seem to have benefitted from the money. Where is all that
money going? I wish we knew. Where will the money come from to pay it all
back? I wish I didn't have to know.
Limbaugh, Hannity and the house Republican tea party are actually getting a lot
of information and creating interest in the ACA by talking about it non-stop.
Limbaugh and Hannity ironically helped get the President elected and will help
Hillary for her next two elections. Complaining and whining instead of coming up
with plans, proposals and alternatives has been backfiring for six years.
The entire Obamacare thing would have more traction were it not for the entire
health insurance situation in America heading south with no help from the
President. The opposition denies that all of us see yearly when the
"new" premium for health insurance is announced. They have no alternate
plan when they ask that Obamacare be "repealed and replaced". The rest
of the world is laughing at our inability to figure this thing out while paying
double what they do and getting less for it. Obamacare is our best shot for now.
So Red Shirt, because the ACA makes young people step up and be apart of
society it's a bad deal. This paper is constantly running articles about
the selfishness and immaturity of the young. Everything from not getting
married to living with their parents long after they have married. In addition
the comments that follow those articles are rife with posters blaming the
liberals, and Democrats for this phenomena. Now the liberals are saying enough,
you all have to play this time...and it's a bad thing?I'm
sorry but personally I'm sick of the younger generations whining about
being forced to be part of society. It's really irritating when paying
social security, and Medicare taxes, buying health insurance, is seen as
pilfering the future of the young. Stand up and be part of the society you
belong to. Make changes, adjust, improve, that's what adults do, but quit
being whiny babies about having to play.BTW, young'uns, quit
getting teary eyed about our troops and join up. Ok, I can go get
my coffee now, I feel better.
I appreciate the varied opinions to this Letter. I'm a centrist - not
Republican or Democrat - and wrote it because I see on national news stories,
people who are whining about how their premiums are soaring, deductibles are
rising and plans are canceled. And RedShirt is right - doctors are leaving
practice or are rejecting ACA patients. In Mass. 42% of doctors will not accept
ACA patients which will overload the system for those who will. Wait times will
be longer, visits will be shorter and the quality of medical services will
deteriorate. We will have a Canadian or UK-like healthcare system, the
center-piece of Obama's "Fundamental Transformation of America". I
believe history will regard Obama as the worst president (even worse than
Carter!) in the history of our Republic, who will do more to adversely affect
our society than any other. Choose a topic: gay marriage, gun rights, size of
big government, healthcare, jobs, race relations, geopolitics (remember leading
from behind?)...and more. He has been on the wrong side of these issues
consistently. The responsibility for these adverse developments for all of us
lie at the feet of those who voted for Obama.
Waa waa, but I'm crying for you. Being a conservative allows you to read
minds and predict the future obviously. Except, nobody took your
guns, the population didn't erupt in violence when Obama was elected and
the ACA is already getting the uninsurable health insurance.How sad
is it that you would trade the ability for others to go to the Dr for your own
political comfort. Especially when health insurance pools were a conservative
idea.We pay twice as much per captia as the closest nation for
health care. We should be able to insure 15 -20% % more people with it at least
for goodness sake. I see tears but it's not from democrats.
This is liking the Superbowl... which hasn't happened yet.... is a flop
because the web site to get tickets is having issues...... Are people really
that bent on seeing the worst. It is a dang website.... not the program
itself.This morning I was standing in line to check in for my
flight from Barcelona on a US airline. Midway through check-in the airline made
an annoucement that their system had just crashed... and that we would have to
wait to check in. This was entirely irritating, as I knew we still had security
and boarder control lines to get through, but it was still an hour and half
before flight.Now no one in line was making stupid claims that the
plane was unsafe, or that the airline was a failure because their site crashed.
About 15 minutes later, the system was restored and we all got on the flight
without issue.The Obamacare flight doesn't leave for another 3
months. To say it is now a failure, before boarding has even started.... is
just frankly either naive, or just looking for problems. Complain when it
finally starts, but to proclaim failure now is just ... stupid.
Ironically; the leftists gone wild on these posts pretty much confirm the
To "pragmatistferlife" actually the ACA does not make young kids step up
and be part of society. The ACA is seriously flawed in that it was based on the
idea of getting the young to pay for the old, at the same it it allows the young
to remain on their parent's insurance until they are 26.It
isn't forcing them to be part of society. It has the opposite effect. It
allows them to avoid growing up and becoming adults for a few more years.So, you have kids avoiding buying their own insurance until age 26, and
now when they do, it will cost them several thousands of dollars more. Many
will now delay marriage and children simply because they cannot afford it, and
will most likely have fewer children. Now, the house of cards begins
to collapse because it is all built on rising generations, but there are fewer
kids to pay for the older generation, like yourself.
So how many RedShirt's are there? The libs are always getting accused of
doubling up but really.I was well aware of that part of the law when
I wrote what I did. I just think it's a reallllllll stretch to think
someone is going to delay getting married because of insurance. Maybe some of
the other costs but not health insurance.What is more likely is what
we have now, (here we go with reality again) large numbers of kids getting
married and then continuing to live with or through their parents. Personally I'm not a fan of this part of the law without some real
restrictions (maybe they are there and you and I aren't aware of them)
however, the small number of kids (even if it's a few million) who are
covered by their parents insurance rather than buying their own, won't have
any serious effect on the mathematics of law.