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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    jarka-rus,

    Kind of like how Stanford destroyed Utah?

    Oh wait!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 2, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    ASU is going to absolutely destroy the Utes

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    MountainMan:
    Wow, a ute fan that understands the circumstances Utah finds themselves in. There are many ute fans that see the writing on the wall and acknowledge the difficult future they face. As a BYU fan who doesn't hate Utah (just some of their obnoxious fans) and wants to see the utes succeed, it's refreshing to hear an unbiased and thoughtful assessment of Utah's program.

    I've often wondered what the magical number is for Utah in terms of how long we have to wait before the utes are consistently competitive. It's been 3 years now, and recruiting is on 4 years (and this is the worst recruiting class Utah has had since joining the PAC12). At what point do we decide that hovering around .500 and seeking 6 wins for a bowl is going to be the norm for Utah? If things were trending up I would think differently, but everything from wins/losses to recruiting seems to be trending down for the utes right now. If Utah were a stock I would be hollering "sell, sell sell". Hope we're wrong and things change, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

  • MountainMan25 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    "But I'll take a team that actually has proven that it can beat top 10 teams even if they're inconsistent over a team that has no ability to beat top 10 teams anyday.

    Still proud of this team. The future is bright for this program."

    I'm pretty sure you are just trolling; there is no way you are this optimistic about the current state of our program. We are 1-4 in our THIRD year of PAC 12 play. Did you expect to be at the bottom of the conference three years in?

    The Stanford win was awesome, but there is nothing to suggest this was anything more than a strong Stanford team in a trap game against a relatively weak opponent while looking forward to a big game the following week (UCLA, in this case). Happens all the time. As much as I wish it meant "Utah can hang with the big boys," the embarrassing losses to Arizona (Arizona!) and USC's walk-ons proved otherwise.

    Do you see us getting any better? Really? At this pace we are settling right next to the Arizona schools (or even just below them) as nonfactors in the conference. Time for change.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    U 90
    your greater than argument is almost all assumptions besides USU and USC.
    It may have been different for USU if they had played the depleted USC team.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 1, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    U 90
    Stanford and UCLA are head and shoulders above those teams other than that the experts have all those teams near one another USC and Arizona aare not very good. Houston And Ga Tech would probabaly beat both but to guess is unitelligent.
    I agree with Stanford and UCLA but compare the other is an assumption no more.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    Watching the ASU game tonight. Utes may as well plan on 4-5 and 1-5 right now. Sundevils look awfully good right now. Utes get blown out again by ASU..."mark it down".

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 31, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    Smart,

    Since Utah beat BYU look at the teams they have played and you can understand why BYU is "playing better" in your words.... it's because they're playing weaker competition

    Stanford > Boise
    UCLA > Houston
    Arizona > GA Tech
    USC > USU

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 31, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    @ Uteology
    #27 is actually a really good ranking considering 3 of those seasons were terrible.
    From 06-09 BYU was consistently one of the best teams in the nation.
    The utes BCS runs were fun and awesome.
    But continued success is where success is judged in sports
    Does anyone talk about floridas national titles just a few years ago?
    Or how about USC's?
    I am talking about this season. From a national perspective not many care about 08 and 04 anymore.
    BYU has had decent success for 40 years (the last 12 have been the worst) is there a difference between 40 years and 10 years?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    BeSmart

    Cheyenne, WY

    @ Uteology
    The key to your one sentences they WERE awarded the national title.
    Let me get this straight upsetting top 10 teams every few years is what a program is built on?
    just curious I like continued long term success.

    --------------

    Like what? One more #25 finish over Utah? The key to BYU success, beat up cupcakes get exposed by good teams. That's why you have you no BCS bowl game or win.

    The key in the BCS era was undefeated seasons to BCS wins. That's why Utah was ranked #10 last decade and BYU #27 by CBS Sports.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 31, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    U90
    I am a fan of the utes and cougars and the utes did win four in a row good for them.
    BYU is a better team now than they were a month and a half ago.
    Utah is not a better team than they were a month ago.
    If they played eachother now who knows I don't
    I hope the Utes so well
    but face reality they are not a good team right now (a healthy Wilson may make the difference)

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    Besides MTSU and sagarin rankings have Houston USU and Boise all within 4

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    You go ahead and quote the experts, and I'll just quote reality "20-13 loss on your home field"

    This discussion was never about Utah being a PAC12 doormat. I've already conceded that much.

    BYU's weaker schedule explains 6-2 vs. 4-4. If you are beyter, shouldn't you have at least won one head-to-head game in the last 4 years?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    U 90
    You do realize I am saying BYU is probably the better team now.
    In a BYU lost two of the first three.
    BYU is on a 5 game winning streak against teams that are ranked (by experts) higher than Utah.
    Explain to me how winning 2 straight to top 45 sagarin teams is worse than losing to two straight to 40 sagarin teams?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 31, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    @ U90
    How am I coming up short?
    I am quoting the experts
    How many people on these boards make a living in athletics?
    How do I explain the losses to virginia and Utah
    beginning of the year, improvement since those games.
    6-2 is not short of 4-4.
    I applaud the utes schedule, and their wins.
    But they are not measuring up to mid-Pac teams
    No offense I will side with the experts.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 31, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    Be Smart,

    If BYU is better, how do you explain loss to Utah on home field and loss to 2-6 Virginia? A very, very bad Virginia.

    If Utah is so bad how do you explain wins over BYU & Stanford? Utah is 4-4 with the #4 schedule. All of the teams Utah has lost to have been ranked for at least two or more weeks this season.

    You're still coming up short

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 31, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    @ U90
    those rankings contain all of the the games for the year. they will remain at 4 or drop.
    Knowledge of the ranking system is needed before you argue.
    I am actually over here because I cheer for the Utes and Cougars.
    Utah is the best team in head to heads, but the experts agree BYU is better now.
    Utah has had some bad luck.
    But to say BYU would be the same as Utah is an assumption
    No one knows.
    But as a person who thinks the experts are right I stated where the rankings would put them.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 31, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Be Smart,

    You mean long term success against PAC12 cellar dwellars like 0-4, 3-9, 7-14 or 34-57?

    What would BYU do with Utah's schedule over the past 3 years Mr. Smart? You understand that after the ASU and Oregon games Utah will likely own the #1 toughest schedule in the country, right? BYU would probably perform no better than the Utes if they had Utah's schedule given that BYU can't even beat Utah.

    So why are you over here on the Utah threads anyway? Your infatuation with the best team in the state is peculiar.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 31, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    @ Uteology
    The key to your one sentences they WERE awarded the national title.
    Let me get this straight upsetting top 10 teams every few years is what a program is built on?
    just curious I like continued long term success.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:36 p.m.

    @thebigsamoan

    Miami? The last time BYU beat any Big 5 ranked team was in 1996. That's 17 years ago, so they have a better chance of pulling off a miracle win against Utah, just barely.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:32 p.m.

    Frozen Chosen

    Savage, MN

    Yep, those Utes can practice with the best of them. But when it comes to playing well in actual games - not so much

    ------

    Just wondering, you don't consider playing BYU an actual game? How sad for Cougar Nation.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:03 p.m.

    @PAC man

    As for Utah's win versus then #5 Stanford; can you say fluke? Utah is sitting at 4-4 and will be lucky to be bowl eligible.

    ----------

    And when was the last time BYU beat a final ranked Big 5 team?

    1996
    Kansas State (9-3) 15
    BYU (14-1) 19

    Yes, it's been 17 years. According to Washington Huskies the fluke was:

    "BYU's title was notable for being the only time since the inception of the AP poll that a team was awarded the national title without beating an opponent ranked in the top 25 at the season's end."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    @PAC man
    Utah was fortunate to beat a TCU team at home when TCU's all-American missed TWO FGs from short range. Utah's win versus then #3 Alabama was impressive, but alas, Alabama finished #6, and was part of Kyle's one perfect storm season. How many other 11-win, Top 15 seasons has Kyle had?

    ---------

    Kyle finished 33-6 playing your schedule, since then he's 8-1 against same teams. The 7 loses have been to all AP ranked teams, except for Notre Dame which finished AP #26 in 2010.

    We won the 2008 TCU game just like your best:

    #12 (11-2) BYU 24
    (1-11) New Mexico 19

    "[New Mexico] Kicker James Aho whacked the uprights three times -- on field goal attempts of 35 and 42 yards and on a PAT try, all in the second half."

    That's 7 points that the New Mexico kicker missed and U won by 5. Remember that 2009 BYU team is your best team since 1996.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 30, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    Riddles,

    #1 Pitt finished 3-7-1. Maybe rankings at the end of the season mean more than rankings at the beginning. Just my $2 cents

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 30, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    @ jarka-rus "Since Ute fans like to put an asterisk next to Byu's 1984 championshi.... then no doubt the Bama Sugar Bowl win needs an asterisk, Bama didn't wanna play in that game"

    There is a difference between a fact and speculation. BYU owns the 1984 NC because they were voted #1. That is a fact. Utah beat 4 ranked teams in 2008 and 1 ranked team in 2004 during their perfect seasons. That is a fact. BYU did not beat any ranked teams in 1984. That is a fact. Bama didn't want to play the Utes in 2008. That is speculation.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 30, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    jark,

    BYU lost to Virginia whose only other win this season is against the Virginia Military Institute. BYU has the capability to lose to really bad teams.

    Furthermore, BYU lost to Utah on their home field and Utah lost to Arizona and USC. What makes you so certain BYU would beat AZ or SC?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 30, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    jarka-rus

    Nor would BYU beat Stanford; or Utah for that matter. Nice to see you back on the Utah thread!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 30, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    Chris B

    You left out Kyle's and Bronco's worst losses:

    Kyle

    -SHUT OUT by a 10-loss UNLV team 0-27 that only beat one other team, 10-loss Utah State

    -Beaten in RES by 10-loss Colorado team 14-17 that hadn't won a road game in 4 years

    Bronco

    -Lost at Utah State(4-8) 16-31 after BYU's DC literally quit during the game

    -Lost at Virginia(2-6) 16-19 because of a tipped pass of a rain-soaked football thrown by a sophomore QB starting only his 3rd game after season-ending knee surgery shortened his freshman season to only two games

    As has been discussed ad nauseum, one game does not a season make. Utah was fortunate to beat a TCU team at home when TCU's all-American missed TWO FGs from short range. Utah's win versus then #3 Alabama was impressive, but alas, Alabama finished #6, and was part of Kyle's one perfect storm season. How many other 11-win, Top 15 seasons has Kyle had?

    As for Utah's win versus then #5 Stanford; can you say fluke? Utah is sitting at 4-4 and will be lucky to be bowl eligible.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    Chris B

    "Being #1 "when they played" doesn't mean anything."

    Actually, in this case, beating then #1 was HUGE.

    If you knew anything about college football history, you'd know that then #1-ranked, defending national champion Miami finished #3 in the final polls; it was that BYU win, that launched Ty Detmer's Heisman Trophy winning season.

    Conversely, Utah's win versus then #5 Stanford is appearing to be more and more a fluke, rather than a launching pad to anything significant.

    As usual, Utah's high water mark falls far short of BYU's high water mark.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    Since Ute fans like to put an asterisk next to Byu's 1984 championship and any other top win, then no doubt the Bama Sugar Bowl win needs an asterisk, Bama didn't wanna play in that game, have their O-line was either injured or suspended, along with Mount Cody on defense suspended. Put Bama at full strength and they would have run the Utes out of the stadium.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    This is funny.
    I bring up new stuff to talk about and I get old facts to argue my point.
    I bring up old facts and people say that is too old.
    consistency doesn't exist.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    I am not claiming anything from 1984. As some people say that was 30 years ago.
    It was a weak schedule but the bottom line they were the undisputed champion.
    Utah did play 4 ranked teams (but according to some philosophies) 2 didn't count because they were MWC.
    I applaud the Utes for their accomplishments but be consistent when bringing up a point.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    @U 90
    Byu would beat Arizona and USC

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    Reasonable, Yours was a very reasonable post. Refreshing.

    jarkarus, BYU wouldn't beat Stanford... or Utah (0-4)

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    Record all-time for U in Pac 12 games: 84-135-6 .373
    U record as member of Pac 12 in Conf games: 8-15 .347
    Looks to me like this conversation on why U is better than BYU takes away from the next opponent. I wonder if the U players are still thinking BYU was their bowl game. I bet if they become bowl eligible, the U would gladly accept the New Mexico Bowl. How would the U fans travel for that one? Not!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    @ BeSmart "What do the Utes hang their hat on 2008 and 2004? Two of their weakest schedules in history?

    Utah beat 4 ranked teams in 2008. In 2004 the Utes beat one top 25 team. In 1984 BYU's best win was against 6-6 Michigan or 8-4 Air Force, you pick. Be Smart before you post.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    What have the Utes done lately?
    Top 25- nope
    bowl game- nope
    (but we have a tough schedule)
    who really cares?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    @ChrisB
    "The future is bright"
    hahaha that was you're funniest comment yet. How long into the future is that brightness? I'ld say at least 20 years.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    The Utes wouldn't beat Texas

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    I just found out something interesting
    about that Miami team
    it was coached by Dennis Erickson
    and it was an independent.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    @ Chris B
    Miami finished the year ranked #3.
    Stanford has not even hit #3.
    Have a great day. lol
    Big Samoan that is good logic beat the #1 that ended #3

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    I would hope we all agree beating an END of season ranked team is better than beating a beginning of season ranked team, assuming the end/beginning ranked team is ranked the same.

    Best wins between Bronco and Kyle

    1. Kyle's win over Alabama
    2. Kyle's win over Stanford(season's not over, but our best guess at where they will end currently is in the top 10 which they are now). If Stanford were to go on and lose their last 5 games I'd gladly admit they are not a top 10 team.
    3. Kyle's 2008 win over TCU

    What is Bronco's best win in his ENTIRE time at byu(and again, please lets all acknowledge END of season rankings matter and not the beginning. Again, USC wasn't the best team in the nation last year even though they started #1)

    Again, what is Bronco's best win in his ENITRE time at byu?

    I would think to win a national title you'd need 3-4 HUGE wins in the same season, certainly with wins against top 10 teams.

    Does Bronco even have 1 such win?

    LOL

  • Reasonable Cougar Provo, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    @Frozen Chosen

    "Stanford will not be in the top 10 by the end of the season so you'll have to hang your bowless hat on something else - like beating BYU! Yipee!"

    Comments like this just make us look bitter and irrational. Stanford was without question a better win for Utah than their win over BYU, and it will still be viewed that way at the end of the season. Utah is streaky, but that was a big time win.

    Reasonable fans have to admit that BYU is on the rise and playing really good football lately. But Utah owns the title of best team in the state, and there isn't any room for us to talk right now.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Big Samoan,

    Being #1 "when they played " doesn't mean anything.

    USC was #1 to start the season last year, and ended up in shambles, not even ranked.

    Whoever beat USC should be bragging about beating the best team in the nation huh?

    That's your "logic"?

    LOL!

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    We won a top 10 team and that means we can win the national conference and byu cant because they havent.

    Go Utes!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    @ big somoan
    read the posts over the last few days.
    I say BB has 1 legit argument.
    other than that lol
    he is now talking about devotionals
    lol
    a little sad really.
    Go Utah Schools

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Oct. 30, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    @Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT

    BigSamoan,

    "You had to go back 20 years to find the last time byu beat an end of season top 10 team?

    LOL"

    I was only responding to your preposterous claim that you would rather take an inconsistent team that has proven it can beat a top 10 team over one that has NO ability to beat one. I was pointing out that BYU did that years ago, as in been there done that! Whether it's 20 yrs or 6, or 8 yrs ago doesn't matter. Utes beat Alabama who was not No. 1 when they played and BYU beat Miami who was No.1 when they played. How long ago don't matter so your dig at BYU as the team that has no ability to beat a top 10 team is quite simply silly, and very lame indeed!

    Go Cougars! Go Utes! Go Aggies!

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Just which Ute team showed up at the Coloseum last Saturday? It sure was not the one that beat Stanford and gave a close call to UCLA. Consistancy. That is where you make it in college ball. Not the NFL, but in college, you got to win them all, or maybe have one early loss. What is making me mad now is that once again the Pac 12 is being dissed by the BCS. Oregon is now 3rd behind Florida State and Alabama, where as they were 2nd all year long. If Florida State does not lose another, they may well be in the big game against Alabama, who no one thinks will lose. Frankly I hope they both lose, but I also hoped SC would have a good season. I'm not a big Oregon fan, but I sure would like to see them in a rematch against probable Alabama. Remember Ute fans? You guys took out Bama a few years ago. P.S. Not to make you mad, but BYU may well go to a better bowl with a better record. Last laugh for them. Guess that would make you mad.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Oct. 30, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    Chris B

    "You had to go back 20 years to find the last time BYU beat an end of season top 10 team?"

    Remind us how many years Utah has to go back to find the last time Utah finished #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls.

    Remind us how many years Utah has to go back to find the last time Utah beat the #1-ranked, defending national champions.

    Remind us how many years Utah has to go back to find the last Utah player to win the Heisman Trophy.

    Remind us how many years Utah has to go back to find the last Utah player to be inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame.

    We could go on and on, but it's obvious that when you have no history of your own, the only thing you can resort to is trying to minimize the history of your rival by pretending that it happened so long ago that it never really happened.

    It's hilarious that that standard only seems to apply when Utah fans are discussing football, but not basketball.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    @Fred Vader Since when has 21 become almost 33?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    slcjimmy
    I am talking about this season.
    What do the Utes hang their hat on 2008 and 2004?
    Two of their weakest schedules in history?
    First the Bowl alliance was created (by power conferences) to try to determine the national champion. It failed because of disputed championships (BYU played a role in 1996 because some said BYU was good enough to have a shot at the title)
    The BCS was created to do the same thing but failed due to having multiple undefeated teams that did not have a shot at the national title.
    The playoff system is even worse because it can not even have every champion in the power conferences.
    Please cite where BYU is the reason
    "The BCS was formed in 1998, when the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big 12, Big Ten, Pacific-10 and Southeastern conferences and the University of Notre Dame contracted with the Fiesta, Orange, Rose and Sugar bowls. In 2004, the BCS was expanded to increase access for all FBS conferences. At that time, Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt and Western Athletic conferences joined in administering the BCS"
    So they created it because of BYU 14 years after the fact?

  • slcjimmy SLC, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    @ BeSmart...Take the advice you have choosen for your handle and be just that before posting any more ridiculous pie in the sky Utah County nonsense! Chris B never mentioned "potential" BCS coaching victories for Bronco rather current victories over BCS teams. If you're hanging your hat on Houston & Texas good luck! Similar to hanging your hat on the 1984 season! Do you people realize that's the reason for the BCS? I'm assuming probably not.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    BigSamoan,

    You had to go back 20 years to find the last time byu beat an end of season top 10 team?

    LOL

    As I said, Bronco thinks he's going to win a national title, and yet hes' NEVER even beaten a single top 10 end of season team.

    LOL!

  • Fred Vader Oklahoma City, OK
    Oct. 30, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    "And just think, since we own byu and usu and we struggle in the Pac 12, would either of those teams win a single game in the Pac 12?"

    Well, looking at the three teams PAC 10/12 W - L records over the past 10 years, including so far this year:

    BYU Winning percentage over PAC 10/12 = .428 (21 games - 9 wins)*

    UoU Winning percentage over PAC 10/12 = .424 (33 games - 14 wins)

    USU Winning percentage over PAC 10/12 = .250 (4 games - 1 win)

    Looks like BYU and USU wouldn't do any worse than U if they were in the PAC, and may even be doing slightly better.

    *Interesting that BYU has played almost as many PAC 10/12 games as U over the past 10 years, but isn't in the PAC.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    @ Chris B.
    I would saying Stanford in the Rose Bowl is far from a guarantee.
    They still have Oregon, @ USC (not a gimme right?),and Notre Dame.
    If Stanford beats Oregon then Oregon will get the Rose Bowl invite.
    I would think with you recent history on predictions U would stop.
    Stanford could end up there or have three more losses.
    Bronco actually has 2 potential BCS bowl participants this year.
    Houston, Texas.
    Intelligent judgements can be made at the end of the year.

  • TXAfghanVet Dallas, TX
    Oct. 30, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    Know how many times Bronco has not gone to a bowl game?

    ZERO!

    It looks like there is hole in Kyle's resume, and unless things change quick it's going to get bigger. LOL!

    And please, I won't mention 1984 if Chris B. will quit bringing up Alabama.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 30, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    Utah needs to turn the good practices into good games. ASU is pivotal. The USC game was extremely dissapointing. The Bye week should help. Come on Utes, let's get to a bowl; any bowl.

    GO UTAH
    >---->

    @Frozen

    If Utah doesn't get to a bowl the Stanford and BYU wins won't matter. Either way, Stanford is a better team then BYU; don't kid your self!

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Oct. 30, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Great news coming out of the Utes on Travis's condition. Hope they do well from here on out.

    As for Chris B's assertion that quote, "But I'll take a team that actually has proven that it can beat top 10 teams even if they're inconsistent over a team that has no ability to beat top 10 teams anyday", well, I know that comment was meant as a dig on BYU. No ability to beat top 10 teams any day Chris? It's too bad you can't show support for your team without denigrating others. Lest you forget, BYU defeated NO.1 Miami years back so it's nothing new to the Cougars. Wish we could all support and be nice to each other. Why is that so hard? Why can't both sides show more kindness, tolerance, and respect towards each other?

    Go Cougars! Go Utes! Go Aggies!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    @Frozen,

    Yes, Stanford will not only be in the top 10 but will play in the Rose Bowl. That will be the second time Whittingham has beat a BCS bowl participant(Alabama, Stanford) and second time he beat an END of season top 10 team.

    Know how many times Bronco has beaten a BCS bowl participant and end of season top 10 team?

    ZERO!

    You have a coach that thinks he's going to win a national title at byu and he's NEVER beaten an end of season top 10 team.

    LOL!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Chris B
    BYU has beaten 5 to 6 likely bowl teams.
    The Utes have beaten 3.
    I hope the Utes can improve so I can finally watch them play.

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:24 a.m.

    Yep, those Utes can practice with the best of them. But when it comes to playing well in actual games - not so much.

    As to them being able to beat a top 10 team, Stanford will not be in the top 10 by the end of the season so you'll have to hang your bowless hat on something else - like beating BYU! Yipee!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    I'm so glad things are "very good" in Uteville especially 'on the hill'. They always are!

    I like the 'positive' vibe. And who am I doubt Whit? Last year he said...

    It's a shame Utes fans aren't feeling too positive right now.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    This team has proven it can beat any team in the nation, by beating a top 10 otherwise undefeated Stanford team.

    And yes, this team can lose to many Pac 12 teams.

    But I'll take a team that actually has proven that it can beat top 10 teams even if they're inconsistent over a team that has no ability to beat top 10 teams anyday.

    Still proud of this team. The future is bright for this program.

    Go Utes!

    And just think, since we own byu and usu and we struggle in the Pac 12, would either of those teams win a single game in the Pac 12?