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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 29 2013 6:40 p.m. MDT

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Itsjstmeagain
Merritt Island, Fl

If you ignore it, you will condone it. If not a trial, what is sufficient punishment? Thrown out of Scouting is obvious. Suffered enough, not hardly, they damaged citizen property on a lark.
A trial seems to be the only recourse to set an example.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

This kind of idiocy has gone on for as long as there have been things to wreck. What might be called 'unique' about it is that now there is the means to self record and display the idiocy, and it actually seems to be a motivating factor in the destruction. It shows how self absorbed, and stupid, we're becoming.

J-TX
Allen, TX

They, and the son who filmed it, should all be banned from scouting for life.
Obviously they do not understand the Outdoor Code:

As an American, I will do my best to -
Be clean in my outdoor manners.
Be careful with fire.
Be considerate in the outdoors.
Be conservation minded.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

I'm getting my pick ax and heading for Delicate Arch.

I mean, heck its gonna fall some day. Maybe I will get a medal.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

For those of you who keep saying, "It's just a rock"...

I remind you that for thousands of years, it was a sacred area to the Native Americans who believed those "rocks" [HooDoos] were spirits of their anciestors.

AND

IF it's just a rock,
Please explain why millions of people spend tens of thousands of dollars and travel here from all over the planet just to see THOSE rocks!

I'm mean, it's just a rock - right?!

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

So many perfect people in the world.

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

30 days in jail and a $5,000 fine along with a community service video of him apologizing and explaining why ruining a 2 million year old rock formation was an extremely thoughtless and stupid thing to do.

Then let him get on with his life.

altahoops
Provo, UT

The problem isn't that they tipped a rock. The real problem is the hundreds of other scout leaders who are now contemplating doing the same thing to secure their release from their scout calling and a likely lifetime ban from having to do scouting again.

Jumpyman
Salt Lake City, UT

@my 2 cents,

I didn't know that the county has a "County Prospector". What does he/she do? Look for gold nuggets? Sorry- but I couldn't let that one pass without saying something. Anyway, Goblin Valley is a State Park, not a National Park. It is on state lands, not federal lands. And yes the County can prosecute acts that violate county laws even if it is on state lands- just like they can prosecute you if you do something illegal on land that you own.

Eliot
Genola, UT

I have been to Goblin Valley and I have not seen any effort by the state of Utah to preserve it as a sacred place where the spirits of native American ancestors are represented in stone. To the contrary, they manage it pretty much as a playground where people can roam at will on and around the hoodoos. That's not a reason to knock one of the hoodoos over, but let's not get carried away and make this out to be some insult to the sacred spirits of long ago. Finally, if one million people visit the park and spend ten thousand dollars, how much money is spent per person? One penny. Hyperbole works best when it's internally consistent.

Shimlau
SAINT GEORGE, UT

Physics27; When I was studying geology at the UofU mayn years ago, one of the things we were taught is how these marvelous formations maintained themselves without falling. it seems that the underlying suport layer of very soft stone would be eroded by wind. When that happened, the center of gravity would shift, and that shift would cause the softer stone on that side to compress, making it harder. with the shift in the center of gravity, the less compressed side would start to erode faster and then the process would repeat, up until there was no longer enough surface area to support the rock no matter how well balanced. I watched the youtube video and it took a considerable amount of effort for him to topple it, so I don't think that it was in imminent danger of falling. The area was preserved as a state park for the very formations that they vandalized.

DEW
Sandy, UT

No need for jail time and fine. BUT, why not let those two guys lift this rock back to where it was and stand gaurd? No dumb idea. Community service at Goblin Valley with out pay for a month in July 2014. That might work. Any idea?

esodije
ALBUQUERQUE, NM

Punishment? Certainly--a fine and probation will suffice (as they do for most misdemeanors). Jail time? Get real--I suppose you want a pound of flesh, too.

aceroinox
Farmington, UT

There is no question there should be punishment involved. The public nature of their actions leaves no doubt that the event occurred, and is widely known. However, to send these men to prison for multiple years, tag them as felons and destroy their lives and those of their families seems a bit over the top. A good judge will find a creative punishment that allows them to feel the weight of the crime yet does not crush men and families.

When criminals committing rape and murder or conducting businesses that entrap hundreds of their fellow human beings in drug addiction get off with a slap on the wrist, it seems our of proportion to insist on "locking them up and throwing away the key". Really, folks? Is this what we've devolved to as a society--a continual lynch mob? Consider if those involved were your father, son or brother. Would you still want to destroy their lives?

GiuseppeG
Murray, Utah

Let's be clear...these men have suffered from making and posting a video of their stupidity. That is what they've suffered from. Other than being removed from their Scouting positions, they haven't suffered any penalty for their actual destructive act.

Victimless? Hardly, their family members must be suffering now because of their posting. I imagine their spouses and kids are taking heat as well as them. And what about the youth under their care? We don't want them to become additional victims who believe that this kind of behavior is acceptable in our society because of the horrible example of these 'men'.

Fine them with X hours of community service.

Paddycakes
South Jordan, UT

The should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law--both men. An example needs to be made of distraction of formations hundreds of thousands of years old. They took away part of our history. They should 10 years in federal prison, and mandatory derive of seven years.

Robroy
Murray, utah

$5000 fine. 200 Hours of community service. 3 years probation. Appology video stating how stupid they were and a commitment to stay out of any parks for a year.

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