Comments about ‘'Anger is not an agenda': Sen. Mike Lee plays GOP peacemaker in D.C. speech (+video)’

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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 29 2013 5:55 p.m. MDT

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RSLfanalways
West Valley, UT

We have two great congressmen. Orin Hatch is a flip flopper that just goes whichever way the wind is blowing and Mike Lee is just incompetent. But as Utahan’s we will probably vote for them again we love to forget the past.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

"But however justified, frustration is not a platform. Anger is not an agenda. And outrage, as a habit, is not even conservative,"

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I thought that was what the WHOLE republican party was about. Frustration with democrats, anger that we don't have a republican president and outrage that congress passed the ACA. That is all I have seen from Lee and company for the last 5 years. They pushed me away. I'm independent as can be now.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

happy2bhere-Ronald Reagan could not have been the republican nominee today, he was was to liberal and willing to compromise for the tea party crowd.

Truth-I always love the term "low information voter" would that be anyone who doesn't agree with you and Rush?

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Who was it that said...?

"But however justified, frustration is not a platform. Anger is not an agenda. And outrage, as a habit, is not even conservative," he said, describing successful political movements as "about identifying converts, not heretics."

mike lee.

Frustration IS mike lee's platform.

Anger IS mike lee's agenda.

Outrage IS mike lee's habit.

Politics for mike lee IS not about finding converts, it IS about demonizing any who are not purer than pure true believers like himself.

"...His legacy will end up being likened to a third-rate Joe McCarthy...".

Comparing mike lee to a third rate joe mccarthy IS an insult to third rate joe mccarthy's.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Lee compared the party's position now to the 1970s, when conservative activists were pushing Ronald Reagan as a presidential candidate. Reagan lost his 1976 bid to an establishment incumbent, but the movement was vindicated in 1980.

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Reagan lost the 1976 to the incumbent President of the Untied States who was already a Republican and already sitting in the WhiteHouse - Gerald Ford.

How DARE these Tea-Party extremeists extolling Ronald Reagan!
Reagan would be publically crucifed as a RINO by Mike Lee and the rest of the uber-far-right-wing who keep espousing his good name!

Reagan pushed for and got handgun and assault weapon bans,
Passed the prelude to the ACA [Obamacare] with the The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act,
Increased the Debt ceiling 17 times,
Increased Government spending,
Increased the size AND scope of the Federal Government,
Granted Amnesty to illegal immigrants,
signed pro-choice laws,
and
He even COMPROMISED with Democrats to get things done!

No wonder he was succesful,
He was BIG Tent --

While the TeaParty purges the GOP with political purity litmus tests from within --
and not even trying to woo the 80% of the rest of America from without.

Something to think about
Ogden, UT

The headline should just read: "Mike Lee plays GOP". He 'played' them alright.

Eliot
Genola, UT

"Amen to most of the above. I and the five voters in my family as well as numerous friends will not forget how Mike Lee divided the Republican Party at a crucial time. He has good principles but used poor political skills. Anyone but Mike Lee in 2016. How can a Senator be impeached? Could we end this sooner?"

So for which offense would you like to impeach Sen. Lee? Good principles or poor politics?

RedShirtMIT
Cambridge, MA

The funny thing that the nay-sayers are missing is the fact that Lee is right. If you look at some of the elections around the US where there was a highly conservative canidate and a moderate to liberal incumbant, the conservative has won the primary election when they have a clear conservative message.

To "Spellman789" over the past 30 years the deficit has increased every year. However, you should look at the spending that the Democrats have given us. Over the past 20 years, the Democrat Presidents have allowed the debt to go up the most. Bush averaged $400 billion/yr. Obama has averaged about $1.1 Trillion/yr. That accounts for the past 13 years, when you include Clinton, the Democrats still come out spending more. If you look at increases in debt as a percent of GDP, it only gets worse for the Democrats.

To "bungalow" it isn't just Republicans that call him that. There are many independants and others that say the same thing. If you look at some of the polling data out there, they find that the nation has become more polarized (divided) since Obama got into office.

lket
Bluffdale, UT

he is a rich guy. thats all that gets into office. when they made the super pacs leagal the repulic died. if you want to coplain complain about what is realing killing our country. as for lee giving tax breaks when you have no money is just to get votes. i dont mind paying more taxes if i get something for it. why do we pay oil companies to look for oil when they are making record peofits? why do we pay corporations to not grow food when they are making record profit?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

RedShirtMIT
Cambridge, MA
The funny thing that the nay-sayers are missing is the fact that you are wrong.

over the past 30 years the deficit has increased every year.
[Fact check -- under Clinton the deficit not slowed from increasing, but in fact actually decreased]

However, you should look at the spending that the Democrats have given us. Over the past 20 years, the Democrat Presidents have allowed the debt to go up the most.

I call you on this one RedShirt --
Under President Bill Clinton, not only did deficit spending reverse, but the debit turn to a $5 Trillion Surplus but the end of his Presidency -- only to watch GW Bush waste it in no time, and then spend an addition $8 Trillion before throwing in the towel and going back to Texas, leaving Obama and the American people with HIS mess to clean-up.]

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

To those of you who seem to think Reagan would have been so main stream and working with the Democrats, the Democrat Party of his day was not near as left wing, uncomprimising, namely Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, and extreme as to pass the most expensive legislation in American history without one Republican vote. No, Reagan was lucky. He had Democrats who actually wanted to compromise. This bunch will tell Republicans to go pound sand if they can, and not one of you Democrats can refute that because your Party proved it with the passage of the ACA. Thanks for the mess Democrats, but it is and will be all one you. And I'm sure Reagan will be happy that it is.

The Hammer
lehi, utah

I would like to see the follow through from Mike Lee. He is not a bad guy but he has helped sow a lot of division in the Republican party and he has not helped our leadership out in stating clear objectives for us to achieve. He needs to help his followers help establish trusted leadership and then help them to understand our leadership will try and do everything possible to move our platform forward and also give clear guidance on what hills we stand and fight and what hills we let go of in order to outmanuever our opponents. Retreat is not defeat as long as we move to a better defensive or offensive position but it needs to be with the support of leadership and the key movement leaders in the party.

CKS007
Clearfield, UT

Mike Lee had his chance to show us he could do the job of working with the other members of Congress. He failed. I will not vote for him and I will assist any campaign to vote him out of office.

RedShirtMIT
Cambridge, MA

To "Open Minded Mormon" lets check your myths against the GAO published tables.

According to the GAO this is the debt at the end of each ear that Clinton was President:

Year Gross Debt (millions)
1991 $3,598,178
1992 $4,001,787
1993 $4,351,044
1994 $4,643,307
1995 $4,920,586
1996 $5,181,465
1997 $5,369,206
1998 $5,478,189
1999 $5,605,523
2000 $5,628,700
2001 $5,769,881

Tell me which year the debt decreased, The smallest increase was $23 Billion.

See "Clinton, Gingrich and the balanced budget myth" in Washington Times.

The projections for continued growth and paying down the debt relied on the economy continuing to grow past 2000 like it during the 1990s. The problem with was the recession that occured at the end of Clinton's presidency. It slowed down the rate of growth, killing any future possibility of surplusses.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Mike Lee has alienated ALL Democrats,
Mike Lee has pushed aside MOST Independants,
Mike Lee has castigated MANY Republicans,
Mike Lee has hurt ALL Americans.

Most likely,
He will never Chair a Senate Committee,
He will never be asked for suggestions or be asked to participate in high level Senate meetings,
He will never be asked to be part of a bi-partisan ANYTHING for evermore.
He will be a Political Pariah, and seen as avoided to steer away from "guilt by association" by other GOP Senators.

Is THAT the sort of representative the tiny population of Utah (all 0.97% of the total US population) needs in Washington?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Isn't this like listening to Mike Lee give a motivational speech on getting rich quick in Apline mansion real estate investments?

[i.e., Do as I say, not as I do...]

HBZion
Salt Lake City, UT

I applaud Senator Lee for approaching the nations problems with ideas and solutions. Don't shutdown, but come to the table and work to solve the nations problems together as Americans.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The desperate speech shows his diminished status in shutting down government. The tea party is almost over and he should resign.

On the other hand
Riverdale, MD

Unfortunately for Senator Lee, actions speak a lot louder than words.

one old man
Ogden, UT

A report out this morning shows that the deficit spending right now is the lowest it has been in years and years. Obama and the Democrats have finally managed to slow the spending spree that came about in the eight years President Cheney and his little friend were in the White House.

But truth is foreign to conservatives, isn't it?

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