Long Term: Some errors in your thinking.Jazz fans forget Tim Duncan
came to a winning team. The won the division the year before David
Robinson's injury. Duncan came to a competitor. Young players don't
win championships unless they come to competitive teams. More typical examples
are Michael Jordan (7 years) or LeBron (changed teams).Jazz fans
forget OKC hasn't won a championship. Jeff Green, James Harden, and others
are gone for financial reasons. Next year, the Jazz have to pay Favors and
Hayward. The year after, they have to pay Kanter and Burks. Soon after, they
have to pay Burke and the 2014 draft choice as they finish their rookie
contracts. 2-4 of those players will leave for financial reasons. Then an injury
(think Westbrook) takes out one of the remaining stars. Meanwhile other teams
continue to improve their rosters. OKC now faces good Clippers, Rockets, and
Warriors teams, lottery teams until recently. Before you know it, your window is
closing.Talk to me when OKC actually wins something. Frankly, I
think that ship has sailed for them.
Good information in this article but sorry Rock, your conclusion is wrong.
Making the playoffs is not the goal. Who cares if the Jazz make the playoffs
just to get bounced in the first round? This year is all about setting the Jazz
up for the future. This years focus should be to develop the young talent and
hopefully in the process, the Jazz lose a lot so they can get a good pick next
year. We will have lots of expiring contracts and plenty of money to try and
sign one or two good free agents. One thing that I don't
understand is why the Jazz even bother playing Richard Jefferson. He is
difficult to watch because he is so bad and won't be a part of the future
of the Jazz, so why not give his minutes to some of the younger players?
If the Jazz play the young guys this year and get both top 5 pick and a top 25
pick, then they will have an opportunity to amass more young talent than anyone
in the league. Having more young talent than anyone and that adding experience
sounds just like OKC. That is the only way to prolonged success in Utah. Just
ask OKC and San Antonio. They are the models and frankly Utah was their model
with Karl and John. If you want to have the Jazz try to to but or trade for
hall-of-fame talent, you are truly dreaming. It is not hard to
realize that including a high draft in 14, the Jazz have Favors, Kanter,
Hayward, as likely all-star talent. They have Burks and Burke excellent talent.
The 14 pick should have a floor at the Burks level and a ceiling at the
hall-of-fame. That sounds good to me. OKC is the only roster in the league I
would trade for as is in three years that is not a bad place to be.
Playoffs?!? Playoffs!? you kidding me?
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs? Get real.
So if you really believe that, why won't you take my bet that I've had
on the table since the Golden State trade. I'm willing to bet $1000 against
the first taker that the Jazz will never appear in the NBA finals while Favors
and Hayward are on the team. My premise is that they will get frustrated with
the culture of losing and find greener pastures in free agency. My premise is
that the Jazz will do the same thing next summer that they did this summer;
namely, they will wait for the expensive free agents are off the market and then
determine that what's left isn't going to get them a championship.
Once they reach that point, they will begin looking at how the can maintain cap
flexibility in the summer of 2015 so they'll acquire some expiring
contracts for has-been players and play another year waiting for the superstar
they hope will fall into their laps. Whoever they draft will stay with the team
for their rookie contract and then move on via free agency or force a trade, ala
LeBron, Bosh, Paul, Howard, Carmelo, Howard, et al.
joe5,Of course we aren't going to get a superstar in free
agency but we can get some solid veteran pieces that can help the young guys
grow and make the playoffs in the years to come. Getting a top 5 pick in this
years draft and then picking up a couple solid veterans in the off season is the
best path I see to getting back to the conference finals. Creating a
"losing culture" ? Haha, not at all. This is what needs to happen to
build a championship team. The worst thing we can do is win 40 games a year for
the next decade. The Jazz aren't looking to settle for mediocrity and we
won't be a team losing on purpose. We are young and I expect to see a lot
of improvement this year but we won't win a ton
Xavier Henry is a product of Mike D'antoni's failed run and gun
offense that will never win a championship.
"There were lots of reasonably priced free agents this year that could have
gotten the Jazz into the second round or even the conference finals."Who? OJ Mayo? Andrew Bynum? Nikolai Pekovic? No they wouldn't have
gotten the Jazz out of the first round if they even made the playoffs at all.
They want to tank for a superstar if they don't already have
one. The heck with playoffs. It's all pointless with 2nd or 3rd tier player
like Jefferson and Millsap.
What exactly do you think the Jazz will be able to get with their money next
summer? Not LeBron or Carmelo, or Nowitzki, or Kobe, or Wade, or Bosch.
Especially coming off a 26-win season. They'll be able to get about what
they could have gotten this year or a little worse because of the "losing
culture" they are grooming.
No way are we going to make the playoff and we shouldn't come close. A 13th
pick won't do us any good. We need to get experience and grow this year but
lose. If we can get a top 5 pick then we have a lot of options moving forward.
There will be a lot of money that we can spend next year with expiring
contracts. We have some good pieces and a top five pick this year will set us up
nicely for the next 5 years. Rock could not be any more wrong. Getting an 8th
seed in the playoff will keep us in the same spot for years to come
I think I get it. If I use the less than symbol, DN message boards think that is
end of message.Xavier Henry's salary this year is less than
$1M. Last night was only one game so we still don't know if he can bring it
every night. But $1M would have been a cheap bet for a young player with a lot
of potential that has yet to be proven.Instead of the Jazz decided
to hoard their money in hopes of signing LeBron or Carmelo next summer.
Ain't gonna happen. There were lots of reasonably priced free agents this
year that could have gotten the Jazz into the second round or even the
conference finals.I still don't see what the fans of our front
Sorry. for some reason DN (who also seems inept at times) cut off the end of my
post.This year's salary for Xavier Henry?
This has nothing to do with what God gave the Jazz. It has everything to do with
what an inept Jazz front office gave to Jazz fans - the middle finger.By the way, Xavier Henry was one of the guys I was clamoring for the Jazz to
acquire as an unrestricted free agent during the off-season. He was hot the year
he was drafted. In fact, Jazz fans were drooling over the chance to get him. He
had a couple of disappointing years. But I said we could take a chance and get
him cheap and he would fit into our youth movement. Last night, he had 22 points
to lead the Lakers to victory. This year's salary?
It will be interesting. The "Baby Jazz" will have a rocky time to be
sure. I watched Miami and you have to wonder if they will shut out the Jazz.
Nevertheless, you go with what God gave you and do your best. At this stage,
that is all that will be expected of Corbin. He is a good teacher for young
players. However, he is not the long term answer to be sure. A Doc Rivers type
would be in order. Corbin is from the Ray Meyers School of Coaching. He has
character but is not aggressive enough. The Jazz need to dig up Al McGuire and
put him on the bench.