Latest BCS RankingsRank Team BCS Avg Harris Coaches Sagarin Colley
A-H Billingsley Massey Wolfe CPU Avg28 BYU 0.057 19 21 12 20 22 21 30 26
22.2545 Utah 0.00 00 00 62 51 43 41 41 48 45.75
Chris BSeems to me when Utah was joining the Pac you were predicting Rose
Bowl wins after Rose Bowls wins, BCS appearances etc etc blah blah blah, yet the
Utes keep ending up in the cellar and missed a bowl game last year right? Yeah
they are sure head and shoulders above Byu.
2B christyHaven't Utah fans been spouting the virtues of the
BCS ranking system for years, and now, just as the BCS is on its last legs, our
friends on the hill have suddenly decided that the BCS rankings are a complete
farce and, therefore, meaningless.You might want to have yourselves
checked for whiplash - it happens, sometimes, when you experience a sudden and
violent change of direction.Latest BCS RankingsRank Team
BCS Avg Harris Coaches Sagarin Colley A-H Billingsley Massey Wolfe CPU Avg28 BYU 0.057 19 21 12 20 22 21 30 26 22.2545 Utah0.00 00 00 62 51 43 41
41 48 45.75Despite Utah's "best win in the state",
Utah's head-to-head win versus BYU, and BYU's "worst loss in the
state", BYU is still ranked significantly higher across the board by every
poll, ranking system, and computer used in the BCS rankings.Please
explain why your opinions that Utah is better than BYU is directly contradicted
by the BCS rankings, and, btw, every other national ranking - CBS Sports, USA
Agreed ChrisBYU has not done anything noteworthy.but we talking
about this year right?If Utah doesn't make a bowl (or even make the
Heart of Dallas bowl) then their upset is like Vandy beating Georgia. An upset is great but sustained success is better.and I am glad of what
Utah accomplished but no offense Utah has not been that good since 2008.BYU finished 12th in 2009 other than that they have not been that good.Anyone notice BYU got a lot more attention for beating Texas than Utah did for
Stanford?I worked in college athletics for a decade. Utah was
invited because of their great medical research, and tv market. Colorado was
invited mainly for TV market.Utah and Colorado were not invited because of
their prowess in athletics.BYU would have been in a power conference two
decades ago if it was for bias'. You can go back and look at the
articles.During the 90's all the pac-10 athletic directors voted to
admit BYU. This did not make it past the Presidents of the Universities.Athletically BYU was wanted 20 years ago.
Best win of anyone in the state this year?Utah over top 10 otherwise
undefeated Stanford.Worst loss for anyone in the state?byu losing to
Virginia, who hasn't won another division 1 win all year.I
think its clear why the Pac 12 wanted Utah and not byu. Obviously the football
world couldn't care less about 1984 or the rest of byu's history.
Because history is all byu can point to. Has bronco done anything
really notworthy in his entire time at byu? And no, simply being a top 25 team
isn't that noteworthy - 25 teams do it ever year. Going
undefeated is noteworthy. Beating an SEC powerhouse Nick Saban team is
noteworthy. Finishing as the only undefeated team in the entire country is
noteworthy. Bronco have anything like that?
2 BCS winsBYU has beaten Georgia Tech, and Houston. They are rated above
Utah in the BCS is Utah not "good competition"?BYU has also beat
Utah State, Boise State, and MTSU. Who will all most likely go to a bowl game.
(Boise and USU are right above and below Utah in Sagarin)Which are teams
that win at least half their games. I would consider that good competition.
@Be smart...."Truth is BYU is improved from when they played Utah (that is a
fact), BYU has played against good competition"Really who have
they beat that's currently in the top 25? Better yet who have they even
played that's currently in the top 25?
BYU beat Texas by 19 who beat Oklahoma by 16 who beat Notre Dame by
14 who beat USC by 4 who beat Utah by 16Net result = BYU
is 69 points better than Utah and beat the Big 12 co-leader by 19 points.BYU > Texas > Oklahoma > Notre Dame > USC > UtahIsn't this fun?!Bottom line:The majority of
the country ranks BYU 20 places higher than the Utes.
"We started out the season good and we are getting better and better with
each game."Go Utes!I don't know if the guy who made
this comment is same Utah football team that I have been watching this season.
@Chris B:Who is "we"?
Correction, my previously posted numbers were slightly off; Bronco has 6 Nov/Dec
losses:Bronco:Aug/Sept - 23-16 (59%)October - 25-9
(74%)Nov/Dec - 32-6 (84%)Kyle:Aug/Sept - 27-11 (71%)October - 22-14 (61%)Nov/Dec - 25-11 (69%)btw, the impact of
the Independent/PAC schedules for Nov/Dec 2011/2012 is negligible.Bronco's teams improve steadily throughout the season, while Kyle's
teams show little, if any, improvement after the first couple of weeks. Kyle
appears to start stronger, due mostly to a cream puff early schedule. Kyle has
only beaten one FBS with a winning record, Pittsburgh(8-5), in his first two
games. Bronco has beaten FOUR including then #3 Oklahoma and then #15 Texas.
Chris B"And your numbers surely wouldn't be impacted by the
fact Utah has been playing Pac 12 teams(more than just Colorado) to end the
season the last few years..."The "last few years", as in
TWO years - 2011 and 2012?Utah's record during Nov/Dec during
their first two years in the PAC seems decent, 6-3, until you examine the
details.In Nov/Dec 2011 and 2012, the Utes played exactly TWO PAC
teams with winning records, and LOST to both. Against PAC teams with losing
records, the Utes were 6-1, with a narrow 7-point win over 1-11 Colorado last
season and an ugly loss to 3-10 Colorado in 2011.W 3-9W 4-8W 6-8W 4-8L 3-10W 3-9L 7-6L 8-5W 1-11Since joining the PAC, Utah has only beaten ONE PAC team during Nov/Dec
that finished with more than 4 wins.Because of the Independent
scheduling crunch, BYU only played six Nov/Dec games in 2011/2012, finishing
5-1.Nov/Dec in the MWC:BYU 26-5 (84%)Utah 19-8 (70%)Next excuse...
Wins>losses6-2 > 4-4BCS 28 (BYU) > 45 (Utah)I like
this greater than thing but lets use the experts that most people (including
Chris) agree with.lol
Chrissy, before you go on and say 4 in a row blah blah blah stuff, utah beating
buy is just like utah beating stanford this year. BYU goes on and wins the
majority of their games while utah goes on to lose most of their games. blah
blah blah. By the way, BYU plays 7 teams from BCS conference to include ND.
Looking into next years rules for the playoff and what is now known as the BCS
games, you can add Utah State, Boise State and Nevada with the big boys due to
the team with the highest rankings will play in that game as an automatic
qualifier since the AAC will no longer have that auto qual.
Just the FAx,And your numbers surely wouldn't be impacted by
the fact Utah has been playing Pac 12 teams(more than just Colorado) to end the
season the last few years and byu has been playing the likes of Idaho and New
Mexico State would it?LOL!Pac 12 membership >
besmart,"Bye weeks are great players and coaches can spend time
with family.and not worry about the game.That is 5th on their
priority list"It's nice to have that in your back pocket to
pull out as an excuse for a team that never does anything huh?Bronco
Zero top 10 finishesBronco Zero "quests for perfection"Bronco Zero BCS bowlsBronco Zero BCS bowl winsBut hey, you
guys didn't really care about those things very much anyways huh?LOL!
1978,"BYU > Texas > All Big 12 Opponents"But you forgot one stillUtah > byu > Texas > big 12
opponentsWe OWN byULOL
thanks UoU 1991way to use an intelligent point.
Chris B"Wouldn't starting the season well and continuing
the same be better than starting poorly like Bronco and then
"improving"?"The disparity in early seasons results is
more likely due to the preponderance of early season patsies Kyle usually plays.
In his first nine seasons, Kyle has only beaten ONE FBS opponent with a winning
record in the first two games of the season:Records of Kyle's
first two opponents:W 3-8W 3-8L 7-6W 6-5 FCSL 9-4L 9-4W 3-9W 5-7W 4-8W 2-10W 8-5W 2-11W 10-3 FCSL 10-2W 5-6 FCSL 11-2W 4-4W 1-7 FCSAverage 5.7-6.1
Spokane Ute,The pay out and prestige of a bigger/better bowl is
unquestionably good but when you're in BYU's situation, you take what
you contracted for. A guaranteed thing is always better than no bowl invite at
all or being left out. Even better is if there's a clause in BYU's
bowl contract that they can opt out if a better/bigger bowl invitation comes
their way. I'd love for the Utes to be bowl eligible and play BYU in San
Francisco. That would be my dream post season bowl hope for now! I want so
much for Kyle and Hoffman to have another shot at redeeming themselves. They
may end up being disappointed again but hey, why not give it another try?
@Chris BOne more logical progression:BYU > Texas
> All Big 12 Opponents.I believe that makes us the Big 12
Champions and by defacto a BCS buster regardless of which bowl game we go to. I
am liking this train of thought.
We started out the season good and we are getting better and better with each
Bye weeks are great players and coaches can spend time with family.and not
worry about the game.That is 5th on their priority list.Go BYU
Chris BThe records speak for themselves.Kyle - one great
undefeated season, but only one Top 15 finish, only one conference championship,
and losses to every bottom dweller in the MWC, and already well on his way to
losing to every bottom dweller in the PAC - 8-15 so far in the PAC.Bronco - three very good, 11-win, Top 15 seasons, twice as many 11-win seasons
since 2006 as the Utes have had in their entire history; undefeated against MWC
bottom dwellers New Mexico, Colorado St, Wyoming, and UNLV; 4 AP Top 25 finishes
from 2006-2009, twice as many AP Top 25 finishes in succession as the Utes have
had in their entire history.AP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4Kyle 2AP/Coaches Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 1Record
versus PAC 10/12 TeamsBronco 9-8 (53%)Kyle 12-18 (40%)
The bye week will help in preparation. What a big game for BYU. It's
certainly winnable. BYU is getting better with each passing week. IMOIt's somewhat unfortunate that BYU is locked into a bowl already. It
would be nice to have the opportunity to play, or win, there way into a
bigger/better bowl, but that's the way it is as an independent. I guess you
take the good (scheduling flexability) with the bad (very limited bowl
JustFAX,"Broncos' record clearly demonstrates that
he's very good at improving his team throughout the season."It also demonstrated he focuses a little too much in the offseason on the
upcoming devotionals than he does to getting ready for the first 3 games of the
season right?And bragging about "improvement" doesn't
mean a whole lot in and of itself when your baseline is "Well we are usually
really bad to start the season but then we get better"Wouldn't starting the season well and continuing the same be better than
starting poorly like bronco and then "improving"?LOL!
1978,You forgot one teamEastern Washington > Oregon
State > Utah > byuLOL!
Chris B,I have a question for you. If you aren't a BYU fan why
do you spend so much time reading BYU articles and posting on them. I
can't imagine wasting my time reading UofU articles. I like the Utes to
win when BYU isn't playing them as I want all BYU Opponents to do well as
it helps our strength of schedule. I just can't imagine having so much
time on my hands to waste trolling other teams news articles and comment boards.
chris b"Yes, pac 12 competition is tough.Most Pac 12
teams > Utah > BYU"Saying it, doesn't make it
so:Versus PAC 12 TeamsBronco 9-8 (53%)Kyle 12-18
(40%)Bronco is 2-0 versus Washington, a team Utah has NEVER beaten -
Kyle is 0-2Bronco destroyed Oregon 38-8; Kyle will get destroyed by
OregonBronco humiliated UCLA 59-0; Kyle lost at home to UCLA 27-34It's obvious which coach would be competitive in the PAC, and which
coach is only a pretender.
Dumb rules on targeting rule. Why didn't they ncaa do the same to those
pac12 ref who blew it on this Wisconsin vs ASU game? That way they should have
never come this u vs BYU game!
Chris,BYU's record versus the rest of the PAC-12 has been fine.
We all know Utah has the ability to beat BYU. Utah has proved that. Utah
can't win more conference games than they lose. Utah has also proved that.
If BYU were in the PAC-12 instead of Utah, BYU would be more competitive. BYU
has greater depth. BYU rarely loses to bad teams. The only bad team prior to
this year Bronco has lost to was last year's 5-7 Utah Utes. Virginia and
this year's incarnation of Utah would only mark three loses to sub par
teams if trends continue.Utah on the other hand has lost to
EVERYBODY in the MWC and a pathetic Colorado team in Utah that had not won a
road game in over two years.I loved the Utes victory versus
Stanford. That win gave fans hope that the Utes had finally rounded the corner.
The Utes then lost to Arizona and worse still a USC team that had to play an
intern walk-on to get enough bodies on the field. BYU would have beat both
@Chris BOh I get it.Eastern Washington > Oregon
State > UtahGood thing you don't compete in the Big Sky.
christy"The first game of the season is essentially coming off a
bye week too, as there is extra prep time."You quite obviously
don't have a clue about the dynamics of a bye week.Bye weeks
are all about resting players and getting them healthy, but more importantly,
it's a time for adjustment, a time to review strengths and weaknesses, a
time to figure out what's working and what isn't, a time to fine tune
schemes and techniques in order to get better.Broncos' record
clearly demonstrates that he's very good at improving his team throughout
the season. Each of his three 11-win, Top 15 seasons began with 1 or 2
disappointing losses in the first three weeks, but after the 3rd week, Bronco
was 29-1.Kyle's record, by comparison, shows no improvement
throughout the season.Bronco:Aug/Sept - 23-16 (59%)October - 25-9 (74%)Nov/Dec - 32-4 (84%)Kyle:Aug/Sept
- 27-11 (71%)October - 22-14 (61%)Nov/Dec - 25-11 (69%)Let's not forget that Kyle LOST, at home, to a 10-loss Colorado team, at
the end of the season.Pollsters are more forgiving of early season
@ Chris Byou can not say what BYU would do.According to the experts
BYU would be 6th in the conference.Right according to Sagarin ,AP and
BCSCould BYU be worse sure, could they be better sure.Truth is BYU
is improved from when they played Utah (that is a fact), BYU has played against
good competition (SOS is greater than most power conference teams, except
Pac-12)Utah is a good (improving) program, but they are really struggling
right now and would not beat many good teams.Utah beat Stanford and it was
a great victory, but Stanford beat UCLA and OSU.So your point that Most
Pac-12 teams are greater than Utah which are greater than BYU make no sense.Oregon>Stanford>UCLA>OSU= Utah>Stanford>UCLA>OSUDoesn't make sense right?No one knows how BYU would stack up, to
guess is hilarious.Do you back the experts? or the results of one game?That is an unintelligent argument.Truth is BYU 6-2 against #21 SOS, and
Utah 4-4 against #4 SOS.Pretty good (partial) seasons.
@BeSmart,Yes, pac 12 competition is tough.Most Pac 12
teams > Utah > byuIf WE struggle in the Pac 12, and byu
can't beat us, just think how terrible byu would be if we invited them to
the Pac 12(we wont)
Chris B -Nice to see you're still 'keeping up' on the
B.Y.U. sports programs! I can honestly say your diligence in reading everything
related to Cougar sports shows your continued love of and loyalty to the
Cougars! You're an inspiration! After all, who in their right mind would
read article after article of a team they despise? No one - that'd be
crazy.Once again, thank you for your continued support of B.Y.U. I
thought I was a Cougar fan, but I, as a fan, am NOTHING compared to you! Keep up
the good work!P.S. - maybe Bronco can fit you in to one of the
firesides. As the super Cougar fan you are, you'd be a perfect fit.
Yeah Chris BUtah has to worry after playing BYU to. 4 games after the
game2013 1-32012 1-32011-1-3
The first game of the season is essentially coming off a bye week too, as there
is extra prep time. Yes, the other team has it as well, just as two teams can
meet in the regular season with both coming off bye weeks.So lets
look at byu's two "bye" weeks1. byu lost to Virginia, a
team that hasn't beaten another Division 1 team all year. LOL2. byu lost for the fourth time in a row, leaving van noy, Hoffman, and others
winless in their careers against their rivals. LOLIt seems bronco
would be wise to spend a little less time worrying about the devotional coming
off a bye week and a little more time about, you know, playing football.Just a suggestion.
Targeting - hate that rule. Everything is easy to do in slow motion - try not
hitting the other guy in the helmet when he's running full speed at you and
you don't know if he is going to duck his head or not. Players are taught
to get low and hit low - with this new rule, they're just going to have to
stand straight up and hope they can bring the runner down.
The Targeting rule needs to be adjusted. Keep in mind Targeting as a verb
requires volition -- you target someone only by carrying out an intent. What
Skyler did was a noun -- a classification from a result -- his helmet hit the
other guys helmet regardless of intent. The verb action should be an ejection.
The noun action should be 15 yards the same as if you were in the middle of
tackling someone, didn't notice the sideline and end up hitting them
slightly out of bounds.