Comments about ‘Orson Scott Card on controversy and 'Ender's Game': 'I’ve had no criticism. I’ve had ... personal attacks'’

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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 29 2013 2:40 p.m. MDT

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

I love the book, I love Orson Scott Card, and I'm really looking forward to the movie.

You know I have a lot of disagreements with the political and social views and opinions of a lot of artists, especially musicians that I adore and listen to. But that doesn't stop me from listening to their music, and really enjoying it.

Why is it that some cannot find value in some of the art and things others do even if they disagree with them on other things? Why must everything be a political or social statement and why must they be so personal about them?

Why seek to destroy the good a person has done, the actual joy and pleasure they have provided to so many, just because they disagree with something else that person did?

What bigotry that is, very shameful.

Alex 1
Tucson, AZ

It is amazing how having your own opinion on gay marriage will get the LGBT zealots frothing at the mouth trying to enforce their groupthink. Forget the fact that the movie has absolutely nothing to do with gay marriage. You would think these "intellectual" and "artistic" LGBT giants would be capable of offering criticism of the movie on the merits. How disappointing their only method of communication is to belch personal attacks. Nice tolerance there.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Great author. Even better person.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Obviously it would be sad if people really are making "personal attacks" against Mr Card but lets be honest, right or wrong, you reap what you sow in this world.

UtahDemocrat
Salt Lake City, UT

Personal attacks? "That a few individuals suffer from tragic genetic mixups does not affect the differences between genetically distinct males and females." Orson Scott Card, Deseret News, July 24, 2008.

"Many people have homosexual experiences or desires and fantasies in adolescence, yet grow up to be fully functional, at least for a time..." Orson Scott Card, Deseret News, August 8, 2008.

When I'm called a dysfunctional tragic genetic mixup, that's supposedly a criticism based on ideas? But when I discourage people from lining the pockets of the man who calls me this, I'm engaged in a personal attack? Talk about calling evil good and good evil.

islandboy
Honolulu, HI

I'm looking forward to seeing Ender's Game. I'm intrigued by the story line. The actors involved are top notch. As far as I know, this is still America and people have the right to express their opinion as they choose. If you don't agree, then you don't. Good on you.

TheWalker
Saratoga Springs, UT

Homosexuality has been declared by the prophets, both ancient and modern, to be a sin of enormous moral magnitude. It is a sad day when a popular artist is targeted for religious beliefs which align with the scriptures. Even worse, some of those doing the targeting call themselves LDS.

Kudos to Scott for standing on a firm foundation.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Boycotts need to be carefully targeted to be effective. In this case, Card's involvement in the film is dilute enough that a) a decrease in box office receipts won't affect his residuals very much and b) a lot of LGBT-supportive people involved in the film's production WILL be adversely affected. A boycott of his book would be a better strategy, but even then it would only make much of a dent in sales if timed to the original release.

Card, quoted in article: "I've had no criticism. I've had savage, lying, deceptive personal attacks, but no actual criticism because they've never addressed any of my actual ideas."

Card has apparently not read the online comments to his former DesNews columns. As I recall, there were many cogent critiques and rebuttals of his opinions on SSM and few personal attacks. I was disappointed that he never followed through with a promised multi-part series of columns on SSM. The one column he wrote rehashed the usual tepid arguments and presented nothing original or persuasive. The online commentary easily refuted them. Perhaps he could revisit the topic in these pages.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

First of all I think the boycott is out of line. If this newspaper called for a boycott of Amazon.com or some other organization because they support Gay Marriage, I think these boards would light up with criticism of the move.

I would suggest however, that Orson Scott Card's speech has been out of line as well. Those who want to find out what he said can visit the Skip Ender's Game site and find out. I have not seen KSL's actual interview, but I would hope they called on him to be accountable for his harsh language.

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

I visited the Skip Ender's Game site to see what he might have said that was out of line. According to that site, he said: “So if [they] insist on calling what they do 'marriage,' they are not turning their relationship into what my wife and I have created, because no court has the power to change what their relationship actually is.

"Instead they are attempting to strike a death blow against the well-earned protected status of our, and every other, real marriage.

"They steal from me what I treasure most, and gain for themselves nothing at all. They won't be married. They'll just be playing dress-up in their parents' clothes.”

Sounds correct to me. How is the union of two homosexual individuals the equivalent of marriage? The latter is the joining of the complementary in a synergistic relationship, while the former is the non-synergistic joining of the similar. Someone ought to address that and Scott's other ideas instead of resorting to personal attacks.

Stenar
Salt Lake City, UT

He's being disingenuous. I've seen a lot of the criticisms of Card online and I haven't seen anyone attacking him personally, only attacking his racism and homophobia. I think he made that up to try and discredit those who are opposed to him.

Jim
Mesa, Az

So much for First amendment rights. Mr Card expressed an opinion, his own opinion. And people want to punish all. It appears that one group want to force the majority to think the same way as they do. They movie is just a movie and doesn't promote hate mongering, unlike those who want to boycott it,

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

Did Chris B and Duckhunter really agree with each other?

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Christianity is 2,000 years old and getting stronger thanks to art and morality and new scripture. Hollywood is dying and dull, no new ideas.

LifeLibertyHappiness
Draper, UT

The boycott is silly, but if that's what people want to do, fine. Mr. Card is an excellent author. As Jim said, first amendment rights are often not respected by the left. It's not okay to have an opinion different from theirs. It extends from being politically correct which is a tremendous cancer in our society that stifles free speech along with open, candid, respectful discourse and debate.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@duckhuinter

When you make comments such as "sodomy laws should have been left in place to punish unruly gays," "homosexuals are self loathing victims of child abuse," and "homosexuality is a tragic genetic mix up," you may just find that people get really offended and personally attacked by you, so no Mr Card is not an innocent victim and yes he reaps what he sews.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

There was a time when boycotts had a true affect in changing laws and practices. But over the last decade or two, it appears to me the term "boycott" has been thrown around so much it has truly lost its effectiveness.

I remember awhile back when a number of conservative churches and organizations announced they were boycotting Disney because of their so-called "pro gay" agenda. Did it work? Did the boycott have the desired effect?

Then there was the NRA's list of celebrities, activists, newspapers and businesses they felt were "anti-second amendment" which they wanted their members to boycott. How did that turn out?

Of course this is not exclusive to the right. After Prop 8 passed in California, some in the LGBT community called for a boycott of all things Utah and all things LDS.

As someone who works closely in the hotel business in Salt Lake, from my point of view if there's been a downturn in tourism in Utah, it has been tied much more to the recession than to anything having to do with Prop 8.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Ender's Game is a story that wrestles with how to treat others who are different. As such, it is highly ironic that Mr. Card should express such insights in his fiction novels (and film), but so completely fail to learn the same lessons in his personal expressions of belief. And it is disingenuous of him to declare that his ideas have not been countered, but only his character has been attacked. Nothing could be further from the truth.

amagnetick
AV, CA

Time for the perpetually offended to rear their ugly heads again I guess. Whatever happened to the First Amendment? Anyway, don't know much about Mr. Card or his books other than a couple of my kids like his stuff. I think I'll go see Ender's Game even though I have no idea what it's about. That's about the best way I can think of to support Mr. Card and let those whiny babies know I don't like what they're attempting.

Mukkake
Salt Lake City, UT

I'll just download the movie online. That way I can watch it, but not add to any of the revenue. I'll also make sure to share, share, share, so others can do the same.

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