In our opinion: America's idle youth need jobs now


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  • SLars Provo, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    Besides the 3.2 million work visas, and the one million green cards each year, todays youth have to compete with 12-20 million people here against our laws. All of these groups compete for the same entry jobs. (the 3.2 million have a 3-6 year stay, so each year we have over 9 million people here working on visas).

    It's wrong to leave this out of the discussion. We need to make sure these jobs go to Americans first.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    I believe in people. I think they want to contribute and to be independent and to have their own roof over their heads. It's hard to do when corporate USA has shed all the jobs into sweatshops overseas.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    To "atl134" yes, it hurts youth. Look at it. Employers that once would let the younger part time workers get 35 hours in, are now being shut off at 28 hours.

    The average 27 year old will pay over 200% more for insurance than they would have before teh ACA

    Fewer jobs are being created because of the burdens of the ACA, that is not good for the young because many employers can hire a more experienced worker for the same price now.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    Solution: Get business out of their employees personal business.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:42 a.m.

    Obamacare is hurting the youth? Hah, Obamacare saved me thousands by being able to stay on my dads' plan for several more years.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:06 p.m.


    Those who have owned a business could answer your proposals. Those who haven't owned a business before may not have the experience to understand.

    When the economy is doing well, and businesses are doing well, there is greater demand. Businesses will expand, hire new people, start franchise locations, open new branches, expand manufacturing, etc. But when the economy tightens, or new regulations exact punishing penalties or additional expenses upon a business, then the business will respond by reducing reinvestment, expansion, and hiring.

    A business may not be willing or able to hire new full-time workers right now because of Obamacare, which requires providing expensive insurance benefits or penalties. Rather than hiring to expand, a business is hunkering down to weather the storm.

    There is still a certain amount of uncertainty in the market, which causes businesses to remain in a cautionary stance regarding expansion, investment in new employees, etc. I believe Obama and his policies are directly responsible for the market uncertainty.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    No, the jobs won’t come back. The jobs lost by automation and advances if technology will never come back. Soon the only jobs available will be those to serve the rich; and those will gradually fade as the noose of economic reality eliminates more and more winners.
    Like the dinosaurs we are eating our way to oblivion.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    Re: trueblue87 "Put them to work in the fields. " Well that's what Comrade Fidel did. There's a germ of truth here, but most of us would want to avoid Castro's dictatorship. I tend more to brobrigham's approach right now - a New Deal for the Great Recession - makes a lot of sense.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    The sad reality is that a significant percentage of "youth" today have absorbed the lessons of their parent(s) and have no desire to bother to work, or skills to be employable because they find life on the liberal welfare plantation to be entirely satisfactory.

    Most of the people who truly want to "work," and who grasp the concept of bettering their condition as a result of working hard and improving their job skills are actually doing so. But, the percentage of Americans in this category is steadily shrinking.

    Meanwhile, we blame those who ARE working of not "paying their fair share" to subsidize those who too often simply will not work.

  • donahoe NSL, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    The editors might do their homework instead of repeating ideological positions.

  • brobrigham Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    So nice that the Deseret News would recognize this problem. I'd fully support a 21st-century "New Deal" for our "Great Recession." Let's get our idle young people to work!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    what idle youth??? Not according to Jay Carney and his boss. The economy is GREAT!!!

  • trueblue87 Provo, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    Put them to work in the fields. Farmers are always talking about how few workers they have to harvest and that we need to allow more immigration or workers from other countries. Put the youth to work.

  • Manzanita Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    Based on the logic of this article, I guess that GOP-backed corporate America is doing all it can to support the national economy by refusing to ship jobs overseas for cheap labor and declining to use exoctic tax shelters to keep profits off our shores. The hypocricy is astounding.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Your views are laughably predictable. The biggest single factor in discouraging employment figures for young workers is the lack of purchasing power in the middle class. This diminished purchasing power has been caused by the 2008 collapse of course, but also by the shift of wealth to the upper end - a well known and documented process, to which process you are completely oblivious. As this drags on and on, and it will, new forms of socialism will become attractive, but socialists need to step up to the plate (note: we are not liberals).

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    Didn't the DN just have an article saying that the agriculture industry needs more jobs?

    We have the labor force, too bad these kids don't have the humility or work ethics to take those jobs. Their idle hands could be replaced with productive work that would teach them skills that would last a lifetime.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    I am sensing hypocrisy here. Just two days ago the DN published an article by Marjorie Cortez encouraging more visas for non-seasonal farm and ranch workers. These are jobs that these young adults could take, but they don't because of low wages, and hard work. Higher wages would make it easier for these workers to do the hard work. Not all of them are lazy.

    Not only agriculture jobs are being filled by cheap foreign labor, but so also are many of the unskilled jobs formally held by this age group, creating an over supply of labor and depressed wages. "Proponents of a minimum wage increase ignore the fact that the law of supply and demand cannot be repealed." There would be no need for a minimum wage if there was not an over supply of unskilled labor.

    There are also proposals to increase the number of skilled foreign workers, such as the STEM jobs. Rather than allow an increase of wages due to a shortage of workers, employers turn to foreign labor to depress wages. When the wages are high enough American students will get the training necessary for these occupations.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 29, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Eleven states now have more people on welfare than working? Baloney. This nonsense comes from a Forbes article that actually said eleven states have more people dependent on government than private workers. That included local and federal workers, social security recipients, and Medicaid recipients. The author of the article said when asked about the email "Baldwin told us in an interview that what he reported and what the email says “are not the same thing at all.”.

    Keep it up though MM you may get something right at some time.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    "People will be able to enter the workforce and gain skills that will allow them to improve their wage."

    A common rationalization for paying slave wages.

  • liahona Westbank, BC
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    I agree with Moderate and AT - enough said

  • AT Elk River, MN
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    Congrats on understanding the harm of the minimum wage. The true minimum wage is always $0. Setting a higher one just prices people lacking skills out of a job. Get rid of the minimum wage and OVERNIGHT you'll have many more people employed. People will be able to enter the workforce and gain skills that will allow them to improve their wage.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    America's idle youth are neither affected by the ACA nor immigrants. They are affected by expectations of high reward for their lazy efforts. Parents let them live at home, and don't expect them to get a job. You think the government is the problem? It starts at home.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    ...and nary a word in this story about illegal aliens taking low-skilled entry level jobs cutting grass, busing dishes, making beds, picking fruit...
    When will we make the connection between this amnesty nonsense and our native labor problems?
    Sure these are jobs Americans won't do...for the amount they pay in a flooded labor market.

  • IndependentlyIndependent South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    "I need to get a job so I can get good health insurance."

    -said no 18-24 year old ever.

    Even before the ACA mandated that children can stay on their parents' insurance until age 26, earning money to pay for health insurance was not an incentive for anyone in that demographic to get a job. It's just not on the minds of young adults.

    The rest of this In Our Opinion was great, however. What an alarming statistic, 15 percent of young adults unemployed.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    It's good that people are noticing the lack of employment opportunities for youth, but blaming Obamacare is a superficial grasp for excuses, at best; at worst, it masks the underlying problem.

    If companies don't need employees who are more expensive, who thinks they want to hire additional less expensive employees?

    Think this through - if you're getting the work done with N number of employees, it makes no sense to employ more workers, just because they're cheaper. That's a prescription for workers standing around, bored, marginally productive. This is asking for problems that any manager will tell you are unnecessary.

    The causes are much deeper, and they have to do with how technology has enabled much greater productivity. If you own a business, and can get the work done with 5 employees using heavier amounts of technology, why would you give up that technology to hire 20 workers?

    People who want answers beyond the cheap & repetitive political points to be found on talk radio should look at the work done by MIT professors McAfee and Brynjolfsson. The solution is unclear, but the causes are right there in black and white.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    What a bunch of ideological bunk.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 6:10 a.m.

    Yes, our government should be setting policy to create jobs!

    Yet, our beloved law makers are more focused on hurting President Obama and taking the American economy to the brink to stop ONE law that has passed Congress, was upheld in the U.S. Supreme Court AND re-affirmed by the American people in the past election.

    The GOP has become such a loose canon with its zeal to stop Obama and ObamaCare, it has created significant instability in the U.E. economy and businesses are hunkering down, not investing into new innovations or businesses initiatives -- and not hiring people.

    What businesses need is a stable, predictable government and marketplace to make bets on the future. It can't with a TEA party-GOP minority, ready to create havoc in the American economy at will.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:07 a.m.

    Good. Send 'em to North Dakota. There's good work; hard, cold, windy, hot. Outside. Physical. Night shift. And it comes with an expectation. Show up. At your age, you shouldn't need a sick day for 10 or 15 years. There is no such thing as a smoke break. Americas idle youth need jobs now. Go get one.