Yup, there are two teams in the state who are moving onward and upward. Sorry
Chis B, it just isn't u.
BYU has clearly surpassed Utah as the best team in the state:AP -
#28 BYU, (Others receiving votes: Notre Dame 132, Georgia 24, Brigham Young 22,
Texas 22, Ole Miss 21, Virginia Tech 20, Oregon State 17, Florida 14, Washington
6, Minnesota 4, Ball State 4, Arizona 2, Duke 2)Coaches - #30 BYU,
(Others receiving votes: Arizona State 57, Virginia Tech 53, Texas 31, Oregon
State 22, Brigham Young 21, Houston 21, Georgia 20, Duke 8, Minnesota 6,
Nebraska 6, Ole Miss 6, Florida 4, Ball State 4, Iowa 1)BCS - #28
BYU, #45 Utah, #78 USUUSA Today - #26 BYU, #57 USU, #59 UtahCBS Sports - #29 BYU, #46 Utah, #71 USUSagarin - #24 BYU,
#39 Utah, #41 USU
Poor Utah has been needing to do some soul searching offensively for about 3-4
seasons now. It seemed like Travis Wilson had figured something out early in
the season, but he's lost it as quickly as he found it. Hopefully he gets
better again when that hand improves.
I would be much happier if Utah, USU and BYU were all winning, but must give a
nod to the Utes for now having the 4th toughest schedule in the nation.
We'll never know what would have happened if BYU or USU were playing that
schedule, but it is really tough to have a confident attitude if you kill
yourself with turnovers!Go Cougars, Aggies and Utes!
Ooooops that should be Chris B!
Though not playing in a BCS bowl,-- the next best thing is playing on national
TV with Wisconsin, Boise State, Houston, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame.No BYU team has had that kind of exposure.I'll take that!
KralonHaving a tough schedule doesn't mean anything if you
don't win.BYU has the 21st toughest schedule in the nation,
much tougher than any schedule in Utah's history, until this season. Prior
to this season, the toughest schedule the Utes had ever faced was #41.If Utah is to be recognized for losing to a tough schedule, then BYU should be
given even more recognition for winning versus a tough schedule.
Aggies, and Cougs will represent the state well, as they did last year.
"After one of the biggest wins in Utah football history (over then-No. 5
Stanford) just two weeks ago, the Utes have come out flat the past two games,
losing to both USC and Arizona on the road.""The Cougars
coasted from there as they won 37-20 [Boise]. “It was a really big win
for our program,” quarterback Taysom Hill told the Deseret News.----------------So after a big win over then and now #5 Stanford
Utah took a nose dive. What will the Cougars do after their big
win? Against a similar type of opponent at Wisconsin? This is
BYU's chance to prove they're a better team. If BYU wins and
Wisconsin ends up being ranked at the end of the season, then it will be
BYU's first win over a Big 5 final ranked team since 1996.
@ True Blue "BYU has clearly surpassed Utah as the best team in the
state"Keep telling yourself that and ignore that:Utah beat BYU on their home fieldUtah has beaten BYU 4 in a rowUtah has the #4 schedule in the country, and after playing #25 ASU and
#2 Oregon, Utah will most likely have the #1 toughest scheduleUtah
has had a tougher schedule than BYU since entering the PAC12BYU is
2-4 against PAC12 teams since Utah joined that conferenceBYU's
best win is Houston and worst loss is 2-6 VirginiaUtah's best
win is #5 Stanford and worst loss is 5-3 USC Virginia's only
other win this season is against the Virginia Military InstituteMake
no mistake, I'm calling Utah a bad PAC12 team. But the fact that BYU
can't beat a P12 cellar dweller speaks volumes about where the Y’s
program is. They’re clearly not the best team in the state. Utah has
already won the Beehive boot, that debate is over.
Well, the Utes cannot claim to be the "Best in the State" any longer.
Yes, they can claim them beat both USU and and BYU, and congrats to them for
that. But as a BYU fan, I'm glad to see our success and I hope it
continues. Next up, Wisconsin.
We will see who is better as the season continues. Good job Cougars. Good luck
Utah and USU!
In talking with a Ute fan, they only seem to be talking about the one win over
BYU, like it was the MOST important game of the season. But, I think the
rankings speak louder. After a a few weeks of very painful football, I'm
glad BYU finally found their rhythem. I'm impressed by the Aggies, too!
Way to go, Utah State!
Hard to move up the rankings when you can't win. Hard to win when you score
3 points. Utah better get the offensive side of the ball figured out real quick
or 5-7 is going to become a harsh reality. How depressing.
U 90 You fudge the numbers a little bit.BYU lost to two of the worst
teams on the schedule according to the rankings.BYU's schedule is
tougher than a lot of SEC schools according to Sagarin rankings.I give the
U credit. but C'mon man BYU is playing really well(the utes problem
is an unhealthy qb the last two games, how many teams would they beat with that?
That is what the rankings are based off of)Utah won on the field, but in
Utah's current state, I will say they are good but probably not the best
team right now.
This "best in state" discussion is tiresome and relatively meaningless.
Clearly BYU is playing better football, has a better record, playing most of
their games before a national TV audience, and is bowl-eligible against a tough
schedule. Utah beat BYU and USU, has a big win against Stanford and ute fans
are content with he opportunity to at least PLAY in a major conference and
thrilled to have great teams grace them with their presence by coming to RES.
USU is still battling in the MWC, tied with BSU for the lead. So by all
accounts, all three fanbases should be perfectly happy, right?
Mark it down
Onward and upward
Too bad being anything less than #25 doesn't matter in the national scheme
of things - only teams finishing in the top 25 of ANY poll or BCS ranking get
recognized by the media, recruits, etc.We'll see where everyone
is at the end of the season (schedule strength will change as teams win and lose
between now and then).Utah will likely become bowl-eligible, they
have a bye week to get rested and figure out their offense issues. BYU will
likely lose a few games and come back to earth, and USU has several chances to
get to 6 wins still and be eligible for a bowl.
Ute fans, is it really a consolation to have beaten BYU four years in a row? If
so, congratulations. I hope that means a lot to you. But getting to a bowl game
would mean so much more.
Isn't it interesting that with all the "prestige" and
"history" of the byu football program, that:1. No conference
wants you2. Your own star running back Jamall Williams said he
thought byu was a division II Program.LOL!Please, give
me evidence where any other big time national program has had a recruit that
thought they were a division II program.LOL!
You guys should really try having a top 10 finish sometime soon. Or an
undefeated season. We've done it twice lately. And if you
need a reminder about how much the football world respects your national title
from 30 years ago:No conference wants you and your own running back
thought you were a division II Program.LOLTHAT'S
how much of a "national power" byu is.LOL
Utah State and USC on ESPnBYU and Wisconsin ABCUtah and anyone
Lately no team from Utah has been ranked.Who were the other top 5 teams in
2008?Anybody remember more that 2off the tops of their heads.lately LOL
Same old, same old, BYU fans wanting to claim superiority when their teams
record head to head proves otherwise. No matter how much they brag or beat their
chests, the record is still four in a row with three years to go, and nine of
the last twelve head to head. That is superiority. Those are the facts that BYU
fans just can not seem to come to grips with.Say how is that BCS
bowl qualification working out for you? OH next year, right!
So, because a high school kid in California doesn't know about BYU,
therefore it has no national relevance? Wow - really grasping at straws there.
Why don't you look up the comments Williams made after he actually took
some time to learn about BYU's program?Apparently a couple of
commenters know a whole lot more about BYU relevance and national prominence
than ESPN officials, who wanted BYU and their national fan base as part of
ESPN's national football package. I don't recall hearing about
ESPN's interest in Utah. I guess they didn't know about Utah's 2
good years out of 100.LOL! Like, even ROFL, if we're going to
use the parlance of 13-year-old little girls.@Silent Lurker -
how's that BCS bowl qualification working out for you? OH next year
you'll be in the Rose Bowl, right?
Cougsndawgs,Oklahoma is ranked higher than Texas. Doesn't that
mean they're better?Or are you agreeing Utah is better than byu
since we beat you, even if the rankings don't agree with that?Flip Flop!LOLWhich is it byU fans?Texas is
at best the fourth best team in the Big 12 according to the experts.But hey, you guys probably know more than them huh?LOL!This
a post from you know who.He is agreeing with the expertsWhat does
that mean as far as rankingslol
With all the 6-win programs in the PAC that are better than Utah, i think if the
Utes expect to go bowling, they have to win 3 of their last 4 games, ending
7-5.And we all know, that isn't going to happen.ASU
- LossUO - ObliterationWSU - Toss up, nod to WSU because they are
at homeUC - Toss up (because U lost to them last year), but nod to U
because U are at home.Might as well hang out the "Gone
Fishin'" sign now....BYU was probably smart to accept the
first bowl bid offered them, since they have no cake walk with Wisconsin, ND and
Nevada all on the road. I think they finish 2-2, but 1-3 is a serious reality.
Either way, they end up with a better record than Utah, and a bowl berth where
one for Utah is dubious at best.
our friendly Chris B has spoken on another article.He agrees with the
experts and the rankings. Thanks LOL
Isn't it funny how Chris B launches into her strawman "no conference
wants you" spiel to distract from Utah's abysmal perform on a national
scale.She knows that the quality of BYU's athletic programs,
which is far superior to Utah's, doesn't have anything to do with BYU
not being invited to join the PAC 12 or Big 12, yet she continues to expound
this false narrative.Lately, Bronco has had THREE 11-win, Top 15
finishes. That's more 11-win seasons since 2006, than the Utes have had in
their entire history.11+ Win SeasonsBYU 10Utah 210+ Win SeasonsBYU 16Utah 5Lately, Bronco has
had four straight AP Top 25 finishes (2006 to 2009). The Utes have never had
more than two straight.AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5BYU once again has a decent chance of finishing in the Top 25.Utah
will once again finish unranked.
byU fans can't make up their minds I see.On another article
they claimed Texas was the best team in the Big 12 because they beat Oklahoma,
even though Oklahoma, Oklahoma, and OK State are all ranked higher.And then they say byu is better than Utah even though Utah beat them(for the
fourth time in a row).Flip Flop Flip Flop
All you Ute partisans really need to quit whining about your tough schedule.
All it does is show you don't deserve to be where you are or can't
handle it or both. Remember CU two years ago----was that a really hard opponent
to beat on your home field? Apparently so.With respect to saying we
ought to go undefeated since you have twice, I respond that you really ought to
have a Heisman Trophy Winner and a National Championship, too, as well as doing
your share of taking home conference crowns when you were in the WAC and the
MWC.So much for not only what you accomplished (or didn't) many
years ago, but also currently in the PAC 12. Perform, then brag about it.
(Like being bowl eligible, for instance.)
I just posted from that articleand you say the experts know because of
rankings.So what do the rankings say
@ Chrissy B.I have seen two flip flops today from U.maybe different
fans have different points of viewBut flopping by a single fan is LOL
I hate to admit this, but the Y has definitely hit their stride. I see them
going 3 and 1 the rest of the season, yes they are going to beat Notre Dame. I
think they will manhandle them. Utes tough league and not enough bullets. I have
to admire them for playing the 4th toughest schedule in the nation. But they
really need to improve their recruiting and I don't see that happening with
the current coaching staff. Ags will win out and hopefully someone will trip up
Boise and we can get into the Mt West championship game and pull an upset of our
own. It is exciting to have 3 high caliber teams in the state to watch. The Utes
are going into a tough stretch, but hopefully they can pull out their
"Stanford Game" effort and do some damage. Best of luck to all 3....even
It is going to be very difficult to spin that win over #5 Stanford into a
positive once Utah finished 5-7 and Whittingham officially places his cheeks on
the hot seat. As a USU fan, I can honestly admit to BYU being the best team in
the state currently. However, things are only going to get tougher here for both
the Cougies and the Utes. Ironically enough, the Aggies could finish with the
best record in the state and some serious momentum for next year.
With all this back and forth, wouldn't it be nice if the two teams could
actually meet on the football field and play against each other to determine who
was better?Oh wait, they didLOLUtah 4 wins
in a row.TWICE time in the last 15 years Utah has had a 4-0 sweep
over byU.Guess how many 4-0 sweeps byU has over Utah in the last 15
years?Zero.Know how far back you have to go to get the
last two 4-0 streaks for byU over Utah?FarVery farLOL.It must hurt having a team that hasn't done
anything nationally noteworthy in the last decade.
@ U 90:The tough schedule excuse is really starting to get old.
We've all heard it many, many times by now. It will never make up for not
winning. Weber State could have the toughest schedule in the nation and not win.
Anyone could. You forgot to mention Utah lost to a team that lost to a division
II team.Utah was better than BYU... at least on September 21st they
were. But contrary to what you are insinuating, each football program moves on
from early season results. Since then, BYU and Utah have gone in different
directions. It seems to very hard for some to accept. But it's true
nonetheless. It seems obvious to nearly everyone (except to just a
few hardcore Ute fans) that BYU is now the best college football program in the
state. Literally every single national poll, without exception, confirms that.
They carry much, much more weight with their objective rankings... than you do
with your extremely biased opinion. It's time to face reality. Though Utah
was better on one day back in September, they no longer are. That's just
the way it is. Reality isn't always nice.
Now now Floppy B,You defend the experts now say they are wrong.Decide which one. lol too easy.
To al of those pumping up the utes saying that they have the 4th toughest
schedule in the nation...that may have been true at one point but as their
opponents have been slipping that may not be true anymore. It is more likely
around 25th or so. Sagarin know best and factors all things in when making his
rankings and BYU ranks up there at #24 and Utah at #39. Numbers and facts
One or two games does not a season make. That's why they play 12 of them
or in Utah's case 11. That BYU is in a prime spot to achieve a top 20
finish - even after an abysmal start - is testament to the direction the team is
heading. You can do the math for the U...Also, I love how a certain
poster, with 5 or 6 or more screen names, will regurgitate the same indefensible
viewpoint with 10 posts on the same article in hopes of masking the fact that
his team consistently underperforms. I obviously understand that the U has done
what it takes to win 4 straight over BYU, but looking at the big picture it is
indisputable the Y is a better overall program, stars or not.
Chris B.Nobody is saying Texas is the best team in the BIG-12
conference because they beat Oklahoma. Texas is the best team in the BIG-12
because they continue to improve and win. In fact, they have not lost a
conference game yet. Their only 2 losses came to BYU and Ole Miss (who just
beat LSU). If Texas would have face planted like U after their big
win over Oklahoma then you would have an argument. If after Utah
beat BYU they went on to have a winning record and win their conference, then
yes, I think everyone would agree Utah is the better team at the end of the
season. But a team that peaks in september and nose dives isn't better
than a team that improves every week and continues to win against quality
opponents. At this point of the season BYU is a better team than the
Utes. Plain and simple
2013,Can't wait to start up the basketball conversation. How many in a row has BYU won over Utah? How about 11 of the last 12!!
@ 2013 Ute Seniors... (aka Chris B and Christopher B):Somewhat sad
that such an ardent Ute fan can no longer write about anything except BYU.
Almost nothing about Utah. Obviously, you've made no progress in trying to
deal with your obsession. Every national poll in the country verifies that BYU
is now the better program and you can't seem to live with it. Trying to
tear BYU down will never help Utah get any better. Only they can do that. And
you're not helping. Don't you realize that the BYU/Ute
game was played more than a month ago and that things have changed a lot since
then. I admit the present hasn't been kind to the Utes. But that's
reality. For you to continue living in the past will not change the present.
And the present reality is that things are currently going much better for BYU
than for Utah.BTW: BYU have definitely made up their minds. We
unanimously agree it's much better to be Cougar fans on a 5 game winning
streak than to be other-team fans with another 1-4 conference record and on
another 2 game losing streak.
This has turned into a BYU Utah hate fest again. This is the disappointing
thing about this rivalry having to be played in the first 3 or 4 weeks of the
season due to Pac12 rules in scheduling, and somewhat understandable so. But
still at even week three and four, the kinks are not all worked out for any
team. I just don't think you who the real team is that early. How many
times have we seen teams who were ranked in the Top 10 after weeks 3 and 4 and
then go on to lose 6 straight and unranked and not bowl eligible at the end of
it all. Disappointing enough I have seen it with my own Bruins. They were
ranked as high as #11 in 2007 and came to Utah and got shilacked, hard to admit
here but it did happen. We finished the season with a bowl loss on a blocked
field goal to BYU and finished 6-7, we did go 1-1 against BYU that year.What I mean by all of this is that I wish Utah and BYU played later in
the season when both are at their peaks.
byu fans hopefully now see why we've dropped byu and scheduled Fresno.
Beating byu is not considered a good win(see nation mocking texas for losing to
byu)Fresno is a better team than byu and is more nationally
respected as a quality program.
@ Christopher B:So you are putting credence on what the polls say in
regard to Texas versus Oklahoma, but totally ignoring them in regard to BYU
versus Utah. Can't have it both ways. BTW: Texas is the best team in
the Big-12 as long as they continue to lead their conference. They are
currently undefeated in conference play and have lost only half as many games as
Utah has. It's obvious you try hard to avoid talking about current Utah
status, but please remind us of how Utah is doing in regard to their conference
play.I readily admit that Utah WAS better than BYU... on September
21st. But it's totally obvious BYU is now the better team. A blind man
could see that. That doesn't bode well for your objectiveness. For you to talk about flip-flopping is the ultimate irony, since you're
doing it better than anyone. You missed your calling, Chris. You would've
made a great politician... and a good democrat at that. @ 2013 Ute
Seniors:You deservedly get an "A" grade in historical facts,
but sadly deserve an "F" in current affairs. Historical trivia is no
haha I will say that texas is better than when they played BYU 19 points
better maybe.So you are saying the same Utah team that lost to USC 19-3 is
the same Utah team that barely beat the aggies 30-26. (hint USU lost 17-14 to
USC)Please explain the math of this and how teams so not change during a
seasonmakes no sense.lol too easy
2013 Utes Seniors,He might not have known much about BYU but he still
chose to go there and look at what he has done with his opportunity!!! How did
Utah whiff on him? 6-2 bowl bound and rising!!! Bet the Utes would trade
QB's with BYU in a hot second right now!!! RISE UP!!!Go
@2013... - yes, today's Texas team is better than than one that played BYU.
And, BYU is currently better than the team that played Texas back in September.
Both have improved quite a bit. BYU is way better than the team that played
Virginia on August 31. BYU is better than the team that played Utah on
September 21. Unfortunately for Utah, they are moving in the
opposite direction. The team that lost to Arizona and USC is not as good as the
UTE teams that beat Stanford, BYU, or Utah State just this year.I
don't get why it's so difficult for you to understand the concept of
improvement within a season. Are you really claiming Utah has kept pace with
improving teams? Please say yes and give us all a big laugh.
UtahBruin,You need to understand that no matter when Utah plays BYU,
that is the week Utah peaks. The rest of their season is meaningless as far as
their fans, players and coaches are concerned, regardless of what they may
otherwise say. All of their efforts, emotions and adrenaline are put into that
one game. This has always been the case. The next two years will show red-clad
ute fans and players wandering aimlessly through the season looking for a reason
to be involved with life.
@ Christopher B or 2013 Ute Seniors... or whatever it is you are currently
calling yourself:Are you still hanging your hat on the first game of
the season against Virginia? Seriously... is that all you have left? It's
way past time to move on from there. In regard to this article, it would be
better to go find a hole and crawl into it than to continue with that worn-out
argument. Sadly, readers are now rolling their eyes and laughing at you.And if you are honestly convinced Fresno is an overall better program
than BYU, then prove it. Please do a bit of research and tell us how many
top-25 finishes Fresno has in the history of their football program compared to
how many BYU has. Hint: It's not even close. Even though I've
often thought your extreme bias (even to the point of obsession) adds to your
naiveté, I had no idea you were so uninformed in general college football
knowledge as you proved today with that statement. Your football acumen just
took a literal nose-dive.
@UtahBruinYou are spot on and it grows old and tiresome.
christyStanford and Utah met on the field; Utah won; Stanford is
still considered the better team by the vast majority of fans, media and
coaches.BYU and Utah met on the field; Utah won; BYU is still
considered the better team by the vast majority of fans, media and coaches.Show me a single national poll or ranking that has Utah ranked above
Stanford and BYU.BYU has beaten SIX FBS teams; Utah has only beaten
three.BYU has beaten THREE BCS teams; Utah has only beaten one.Get over yourself. Despite Utah's upset wins versus BYU and Stanford,
Utah is still, at best, a mediocre team playing a tough schedule. That's
what defines an "upset" - an inferior team beating a superior team.
chris bAs TrueBlue posted:"BYU has clearly surpassed
Utah as the best team in the state:AP - #28 BYU, unranked Utah (not
a single vote)Coaches - #30 BYU, unranked Utah (not a single
vote)BCS - #28 BYU, #45 Utah, #78 USUUSA Today - #26
BYU, #57 USU, #59 UtahCBS Sports - #29 BYU, #46 Utah, #71 USUSagarin - #24 BYU, #39 Utah, #41 USUYou can bury your head
in the sand and pretend that one game makes a season, but the evidence is
overwhelming, NOBODY not living on the hill believes that Utah is a better team
than BYU at this point in the season.It's laughable that you
continue to cite rankings when they suit your narrative, but choose to
completely ignore rankings when they disprove your narrow, crimson-colored view
of the world.
Panic on the hill as the Cougars continue to distance themselves from the Utes,
and the Utes are helpless to do anything about it.Best case scenario
for BYU: 10-2 with a Top 15 rankingWorst case scenario: 8-4 with a Top 35
rankingBest case scenario for Utah: 6-6 with a berth in the New
Mexico Bowl versus WyomingWorst case scenario: 4-8 with PAC basement
ute fans had the same problem *way* back in the 70s and 80s, when they decided
4-7 and 3-8 were successful seasons as long as they beat BYU. And that was when
they were stinking it up against WAC competition. The only difference now is
that they are stinking it up against better competition. Congrats on being the
best team in SL and Weber Counties.
Utah will always and forever be the most beloved and elite football program in
the state because of their BCS affiliation. It's better to lose every game
in the PAC-12 than to be independent. To have the likes of Stanford and USC
come to RES is...welll, you get the picture. Words can't even describe how
awesome it is to be a member of the BCS system. I do, recall, not too long ago
how even Utah and their fans despised the BCS, but now being in the fold,
it's well, heartwarming. Couldn't be more proud.Onward and Upward
@2013 Utah Sweeps SeniorsTo say Fresno State is a more respected
program than BYU is merely a conquest to take another shot at BYU. This is so
false. Fresno is is off to a 7-0 start, and who have they played. Absolutely
nobody. I guess you would think that there OT victory over 4-3 Rutgers is a
huge win, maybe it is the big win over Cal Poly, or maybe the one point win over
Boise State at home, or maybe the OT victory over SDSU. Come on, you may not
like BYU, but this comment about Fresno being a superior program to BYU holds
zero water.@Whoa NellieSo what will it take then for BYU
to get up for that game early. They have laid an egg now 4 years in a row. BYU
fans can say it is not like some Ute fans do. But the win means something to
the school that wins. So later in the season as they both peak, or BYU needs to
wake up when the play Utah early.@Spokane UteIt sure
Utah has been PAC conference for a while and only thing they can brag about is 4
in a row. So you guys agree that you are irrelevant in PAC-10.2 right?Everyone should understand all the team in state of Utah is mediocre at its
best. Utah is Idaho State of Pac-10 and BYU is just irrelevant. But
atleast BYU gets better exposure and plays the same level of opponents that they
"byu fans hopefully now see why we've dropped byu and scheduled Fresno.
Beating byu is not considered a good win(see nation mocking texas for losing to
byu)Fresno is a better team than byu and is more nationally respected as a
quality program."Chris, Really?!? That's all you've
got left in the arsenal? That is only half-a-step away from a Cletus or ETB
commentUsing your same logic, Fresno is light years ahead of the
Utes. And using your previous arguments, the U had now gone from a guaranteed
win to a probably loss?Wow, still shaking my head in disbelief...
To all the people saying no conference wants BYU. I hope it stays like thatBYU is playing good teams, getting plenty of exposure on TV, can play
all over the country, better ranked than any other team in the state.I hope you guys like your BCS conference because Utah qualifies for BCS bowl
every year... NOT!
"AP - #28 BYU, unranked Utah (not a single vote)Coaches - #30
BYU, unranked Utah (not a single vote)"Don't forget that
after the Utes defeated Stanford, byu didn't have a single vote, while the
Utes received 47 votes. It's obvious that Utah is snake bitten at the
moment. But pointing out how many votes one team receives versus the other is
meaningless until the end of the season, after an entire body of work has been
showcased on the field.Utah's losses to OSU, UCLA, Zona and SC
were as painful as their triumphs over Stanford, YbU, and Utah State were
glorious.If the offense can use this bye week to heal, and mentally
get back in the game, then wins over WSU and CU should be enough to get the Utes
bowling again.And here's to hoping that Wilson can limit the
Once again some sports writer touts the BYU win over Boise State as a
significant sign of something or other. Just what that is isn't clear given
the Boise team was heavily peppered with freshman and second stringers and
included a QB who hadn't started a game since high school. Now if the Cougs
had defeated a healthy Bronco squad then you would have something to crow about.
Certainly BYU is entitled to chalk the victory up in W column but anything more
than that is un-gracious and down right unseemly.
It's true Utah has become a doormat in the Pac 12.And byu is
the doormat of the doormat(Utah)However "bad" we are, you
guys can't beat us.LOL!Choke after choke after
choke after choke
Samurai Jake"Don't forget that after the Utes defeated
Stanford, BYU didn't have a single vote, while the Utes received 47 votes.
It's obvious that Utah is snake bitten at the moment."That
was then; this is now.What's obvious is that Taysom and BYU
have significantly improved throughout the season, while Wilson and Utah peaked
versus Stanford and have completely collapsed since then.The Utes
would have to dominate Arizona State and then beat Oregon in order to get a
single vote in either poll - like that's ever going to happen.Anybody claiming that Utah has simply been "snake bitten" obviously
isn't willing to face reality.
3 of BYU's 5 fall sports team are currently ranked in the Top 25BYU M Cross Country - #5 (Utah - no team)BYU W Volleyball - #20 in AVCA
(Utah #32)BYU W Soccer - #21 (Utah #37)BYU Football receiving
votes - #28 AP/#30 Coaches (Utah - no votes)andBYU W
Cross Country ranked last week, receiving votes this week - #36 (Utah - no
No question BYU is the best team in the state. Glad to see them finding their
game. Yes I know utah fans you've beat us four in a row and I'll tell
you why: Taysom Hill getting traction, he would destroy you now, Riley Nelson-
broken ribs, Jake Heaps- please that one should be obvious, Jake Heaps- Freshman
QB. Count your win streak to catching BYU at the right time...nothing else. But
you won, scoreboard. So same logic, BYU is the best team in the state year after
year, SCOREBOARD AND RANKINGS AND BOWL GAMES. Done.
@ 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0Facts are harsh aren't they.
Two programs going in different directions. It won't be any better after
ASU takes care of u.I love my independence.
@UtahBruin@Whoa NellieSo what will it take then for BYU
to get up for that game early.------------It isn't
just the rivalry game, apparently BYU can't get up for the TCU and Boise
games either (0-4 and 1-3). Regardless of when the games are played, early or
at the end of the season, they haven't been able to beat those teams.Utah is 8-1 against non-Big 5 teams, we just can't compete in the
PAC-12. We still lack the depth and talent to do so.The reason why
BYU has yet to make a BCS bowl or compete against TCU/Boise/Utah... They're just not motivated.
As a proud non-Utah BYU fan I really couldn't care less who the USU or UU
fans think are the best program in their state. I admit I love seeing Utah
lose, but only because of the obnoxious antics and attitude of their fans and
team towards BYU for as long as I have been a student/fan (late 70s), and by all
accounts, long before then. I am decidedly not one of those fans who mourn the
coming two years off. Go and be happy, Utes, in the PAC. Your big
dream came true three years ago, right? So get over your Y hatred, and start
figuring out how to compete in the PAC. As an SC fan (for even longer than I
have been a BYU fan), I can say there is a really long way for you to go to be
anything other than perennial cannon fodder there, and you can't afford the
energy you put into your hatred of all things BYU if you plan to break out.
I've also ever understood how you expected to recruit against USC, Oregon,
Stanford, UW, UCLA or ASU. Good luck with that.Go Cougars!
According to christy's weird transitory pecking order, Stanford is the
doormat of the PAC and Stanford's #5 BCS ranking is a complete farce.Someone should explain to her why results of the entire season carry
much more weight than the results of one or two games.
Actually ChrisThe experts have the Utes worse than the cougs.I
congratulate Utah on their 4 wins in a row.But the experts (as Chris
pointed out earlier) agree that the Cougs are better.If wilson was healthy
I doubt it would be that way.But it is.Have a good day.
Uteology"It isn't just the rivalry game, apparently BYU
can't get up for the TCU and Boise games either (0-4 and 1-3)."More, distorted hyperbole?Most recent results:versus Boise StateBYU 37-20 (2013), 6-7 (2012), 27-28 (2008)Utah
3-26 (2010), 3-36 (2006)versus TCUBYU 28-38 (2011), 3-31
(2010)Utah 7-47 (2010), 28-55 (2009)head-to-head13-20
(2013), 21-24 (2012), 10-54 (2011), 16-17 (2010)Yes, Utah certainly
"got up" for their last two games versus Boise St and TCU.We'll see how "up" you get for Oregon.The last time
BYU played Oregon, BYU got "up" 38-8.The last time BYU played
UCLA, BYU got "up" 59-0.The last time BYU played Washington, BYU
got "up" 23-17, in fact, Bronco has never lost to Washington
(2-0); Utah has never beaten Washington (0-8).
The Ute fans talking about their tough schedule is like when I complain to my
counselor how hard my business classes are. Counselors advice to me, if you
wanna study business then make sure you pass your business classes. So fellow Utes, you wanna take on a tough schedule make sure you pass your
tough schedule. Get out of the kitchen if you can't handle the heat!A tough schedule is not gonna win you a championship. It's
2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0,The reason BYU has not been invited
to a BCS conference is due to their unwillingness to play on Sunday. If you look
at the overall athletic programs of both schools BYU has the advantage. So it
clearly is not due to the state of the athletic program. BYU is better in most
all sports except gymnastics, skiing and football. The later could be argued
though. Utah was the better football team in September but the Y is the better
team now. What matters is how you finished not how you start. With that said, I
hope both schools finish strong and make a bowl game. Both schools are great!
These comment boards are starting to sound more and more like a Charlie Brown
sound track when the "adults" are talking....
@JLFullerDo you even play football?
@ Uteology:In case you hadn't noticed, BYU just became the
first team from the state of Utah to ever beat Boise State... obviously
something that Utah has never done. And the Cougars beat them quite soundly. On
top of that, it was the first time Boise has lost in October in over 50 games.
That's truly getting up for the game. Don't judge BYU too heavily on
history, because times are a changing. @ Chris B:As long
as BYU is ranked so much higher than Utah by literally all national polls,
it's actually Utah who is both the doormat of the PAC12 and also to BYU.
It's true that Utah had BYU's number on September 21st. But since
then, BYU has done everything necessary to prove itself now superior to Utah.
You're just going to have to live with it.... or so says USA Today, The
Coaches Poll, CBS Poll, the Sagarin Rankings, and every other national poll.
And who says otherswise? Just you while wearing your fogged crimson
glasses. LOL!If it makes you feel any better, everyone does agree
that Weber State is still a doormat to the Utes. Go utes.
As an Aggie fan I am pleased as punch with where the Aggies are. (Thank you,
Gary Anderson) I don't understand all this nonsense between
BYU and Utah fans about 'distancing' themselves from the other team.
They are essentially the same team. Utah has a good 4 year run, but most of the
games in the last 20 years could have gone either way. It is
impressive that Utah is in the PAC 12 (although you could probably take down
those silly 'Pac 12 Pride' posters now.) And despite the fact that BYU
was supposed to wither and die without a conference, they are playing two of the
most historic programs in college football in November. That says A LOT about
BYU's brand nationally. (Now quit coming up with silly slogans for each
football season and start beating more of these big name teams.) And above all,
@ chris b:BYU gas won it's last 5 games in a row... in other
words: Win after win after win after win after win.Utah
has lost 3 of its last 4 games... in other words: choke after
choke after win after choke. Facts are facts.... especially without
crimson colored glasses to help distort someone's reality.
I have no problem acknowledging that Utah has the better team on September
21.But I do have a problem with the few Ute fans who think that Utah
is the better team today.Fortunately most Ute fans are more
objective than the few haters, and realize that BYUs offense has skyrocketed in
production and efficiency since then and Utah has taken a nose dive.Sure most of it is on the QB with Hill and the entirely new coaching team
finally clicking while Wilson has struggled with injuries (just like Nelson last
year).The couple of Ute fans who are not objective will relish their
wins over BYU, USU and Stanford. But will not acknowledge reality, that BYU is
without doubt the best FB team in Utah by a long shot in October and likely
November, December and a more successful overall season.
CincyRed13As far as PAC 12 sports go, gymnastics is the only PAC 12
sport in which the Utes are competitive.Coed skiing isn't a PAC
12, in fact, only four FBS programs compete in coed skiing - Colorado, Utah,
Wyoming, and New Mexico.In football, Utah started strong, but like
most years, has faded; BYU is now clearly better than Utah.
Article quote: "Every week, USA Today's Paul Myerberg re-ranks all the
college football teams. Utah was the only local team to drop in the rankings, as
it fell from No. 51 to No. 59. BYU jumped up seven spots to come in at No. 26,
knocking on the top 25 door. Utah State, even with its bye, moved up 10 spots to
come in at No. 57."Shhhhh!.....Don't tell the
Utah fans. They still think they're the best team in the state.BTW, anyone seen Chris B?Go Cougars!
Onward and Upward
Don't worry Ute fans I'll convince my fellow BYU fans that Utah is
simply the best in state and the country. Fiesta Bowl '04, Sugar Bowl
'08, and then the blessed PAC invite. Come on Y fans why can't you see
that? To have BCS affiliation is just, ahhh I just can't desribe the
euphoria I experience everytime I think about it. I mean, really, I would rather
lose every game and be the laughing stock of the PAC-12 than to be Independent.
It doesn't matter who the Y plays and how well they play because they
aren't playing for anything...no conference championship. Even after
there's no chance to reach the PAC-12 championship game and having a losing
season with no bowl game, that is far better than being Independent with a
possible top 25 ranking and a bowl game. It's just logical my Cougar fans,
being in the PAC-12 is just that much better.Onward and Upward
@JLFullerWith apologies to the Bard, "Me thinks thou protesteth
@ Tators...Again please show some form of collegiate football knowledge before
posting any more utterly ridiculous nonsense! If your team was better they would
have won at least ONCE in 4 meetings & I believe not have lost 9 out of 12!
In closing, finding an actual conference would definitely help. When you get
blown out by The Badgers & Irish lets then see what the polls have to say.
"If Utah is to be recognized for losing to a tough schedule, then BYU should
be given even more recognition for winning versus a tough schedule."LOL! The cougies haven't won anything vs. a tough schedule. Please
name me one top 25 team they have beat? It's clearly obvious to everybody
but cougie homers the Utes are the best team in the state of Utah hands down.
They have won every game on their schedule against other in state teams. Cougie
fan's come back and talk to us after the cougies beat utah or even a top 25
team for the matter. Had the Y played the Utes schedule to this
point the would be: Utah St at home with Keaton- LWeber St-
WUtah- Of course auto LOregon St- LUCLA- LStanford- L@Arizona- L@USC- LThey would be 1 - 7 and at years end would
be 2 - 10. If it were switched and Utah had played the cougies schedule utah
would be undfeated and everybody would be talkin about their 3rd BCS game. You
cougie homers don't fool anybody.
@U90"Utah beat BYU on their home fieldUtah has
beaten BYU 4 in a row"Sure have, no debate who the better team
head to head is."Utah has the #4 schedule in the country, and
after playing #25 ASU and #2 Oregon, Utah will most likely have the #1 toughest
schedule"It likely will. BYU's SOS is also No. 21 putting
their SOS as stronger than that of most schools in power conferences though."BYU is 2-4 against PAC12 teams since Utah joined that
conference"Utah is 8-15 against Pac 12 teams since Utah joined
that conference. Hmm."BYU's best win is Houston and worst
loss is 2-6 Virginia"OK. BYU has two wins over teams leading AQ
conferences. How many does Utah have?"Utah has already won the
Beehive boot, that debate is over."Awfully long post for a
debate that is "over" isn't it?
"What will the Cougars do after their big win? Against a similar type of
opponent at Wisconsin?"Uteology, Arizona on the road is the not
the equivalent of playing at Wisconsin, sorry. Yes, Utah has played a brutal
schedule and props to that but, these two don't compare.
2 BCS winsyour assumptions are funny.you have no ideathey
haven't played, you are guessing does BYU matchup better than Utah
against teams?ProbablyCmon man. At least use an plausible
intelligent argument.Utah's record would be better if the qb was
healthy.Right now the way the qb is playingthey would beat MTSU no offense but Utes are seriously struggling right now.The Y is not.
@2BCSWINS - so funny that you call out homers, then post that comment. I think
I'll submit to Dictionary dot com that they include your post at 8:23 AM as
the definitive example of "homer" logic.
@ slcjimmy:Why is it nonsense to mention what is happening now, as
opposed to what happened 3 and 4 years ago (completely different teams)... which
is what you and other Ute commenters keep doing? In case you hadn't
noticed, this article is about how the in-state teams are CURRENTLY doing. This
season facts are that BYU has won it's last 5 games, while Utah has lost 3
of its last 4 games. BYU beat Oregon 38-8 the last time they played
a few years ago. That doesn't mean BYU is better now anymore than games
with Utah several years ago mean they're better now. So why is
it nonsense to point out BYU is now ranked double digits better than either Utah
or USU in literally every major national poll. They ALL are in complete
agreement that BYU is currently the best team in the state. And considering the
results of the past several weeks, that's a no-brainer to everyone whose
vision isn't fogged by crimson glasses.It's actually you
who needs to think before commenting. Try using common sense in place of bias
next time. Readers will pay more attention.
@ JLFuller:If you are an objective fan of college football, you
would know that ALL teams have injured players sitting out in literally every
game played. It's a built-in part of the game. BYU had several backup
players in their secondary and offensive line when they played Boise. But you
somehow forgot to mention those facts. You also conveniently forgot to
mention that Boise's entire defense was healthy and played... and
BYU's offense basically took them to the woodshed.Also,
Boise's backup qb (Hedrick) played all but the first play of their previous
game... a game they won. He is a junior whose qb rating is over 125 and already
has 496 passing yards with 2 td's. So there hasn't been much of a
drop-off. But it somehow goes entirely against your grain to be able to
give BYU any credit for a game well played. Your obvious bias takes away from
your credibility. Keep in mind that BYU had an injured quarterback
in their previous 2 games with Utah. But that didn't keep you and other Ute
fans from crowing about those wins. So give credit where credit is due.
After dominating the MWC, Utah and TCU have gone on to struggle in their
prestigious BCS leagues.Just goes to show how big of a difference
there is.People like to claim rankings take into account strength of
schedule, but they only do to a degree.Northern Illinois and Fresno
wouldn't be top 20 teams if they were in the SEC or Pac 12.And
both Utah and TCU would be dominating the WAC 2.0(MWC) if we were still in the
league, as is easily seen by the Pac 12's 9-0 record against MWC/byu
Now all we will hear about from Ute fans it SOS, ahhaah so what? That just
proves the Utes aren't even close to competing at a high level in college
football, just like the Stanford win was a fluke so was barely beating Byu,
thanks to some favorable calls for the Utes.
Again making assumptions. Nobody knows where Fresno or NIU would be in the other
conferences.But maybe he has decided not to agree with the experts anymore
like he did yesterday.Go Utes and Cougs
@ChrisBlol the hapless offensive Utes would not be dominating in the MWC,
mark that down
@Chris BOh and do you realize that Northern Illinois is currently ranked
#17 and Fresno #16 in the BCS? you're so called knowledge of college
football really is just following everything Byu does and making silly
The Ute commenters who call BYU homers for saying BYU is the better team crack
me up.This is easy to solve - let's forget both of our
biases.Who do ALL of the major polls have ranked higher? The
experts say BYU is better at this point in the season.
I don't quite understand some posts say 9-0 against mwc/Indy and other say
10-0.Would someone clarify?Go Utes and Cougs
@ Chris10 or 9I know you can count 3 stars or 2 stars
@ Chris B:If you really want a good LOL, then try this one on for
size...You say that Utah and TCU are so great and would dominate in
a mid-major conference (where you put BYU).And yet TCU just lost to Texas
30-7. And of course BYU earlier clobbered Texas 40-21.Per your reasoning,
that means BYU is substantially better than either one.That in turn
doesn't say much for your statement about TCU.And let's
not forget that Utah lost to OSU who in turn lost to a division II school. That doesn't say much for your statement about Utah, either. So much for your 2 wonderful and great examples.That just proves that on
a given day, even a lower ranked team like Utah could occasionally beat a higher
ranked team like BYU.
Since the Utes LOVE to talk strength of schedule, let's talk strength of
schedule.This year compared to the last year in the MWC, Utah's
SOS is significantly higher. Their record is much lower, however. BYU's SOS
is also higher. However, their record is about what it was during the MWC
era.Conclusion: Utah can't handle the tougher schedule, and BYU
CAN handle the tougher schedule. Edge: BYU.
Chamberlin:"That was then; this is now." Precisely what byu
fans have stated both before, during, and after every Rivalry Game loss the past
four years in a row."The Utes would have to dominate Arizona
State and then beat Oregon in order to get a single vote in either poll - like
that's ever going to happen." They'd receive more than a single
vote - yet byu wouldn't stand a chance against those teams, either."Anybody claiming that Utah has simply been 'snake bitten'
obviously isn't willing to face reality." Okay, then. Let me ask you a
question - were you willing to face reality when your cougs lost the Rivalry
Game for the fourth straight season? Snake bitten defined: experiencing a period
of misfortune or inability to succeed. Which is precisely what has happened in
Utah's narrow losses to OSU, UCLA, and yes, even Zona and SC. Sorry, but
snake bitten is spot on when describing Utah's season thus far.
@Riverton CougarLet's talk Score Board!NO, anything
"Let's talk Score Board!NO, anything but that!"That's really ALL the Utes have. If out of 10 indicators 9 said
Team A was better than Team B, would you bet your money on Team B?
A few very inconvenient Truths for ute fans:. utah has beaten both
BYU and Stanford this year... Yet both are ranked far ahead of the utes in
virtually every poll (I don't think that we will hear from a ute fan that
they are better week in and week out than the Cardinal and if they are objective
the same holds true for the Cougars).. Without BYU on the ute
schedule they would not have the 4th most difficult schedule in America.. When you think about it BYU is really only one bad play call at
Virginia, and a holding penalty, while playing the utes, away from an 8-0 record
and possibly on it's way to a BCS Bowl.. BYU would be Bowl
eligible if they were playing the ute's schedule (while this is more
conjecture than the first 4 bullet points I believe that there is enough
evidence to support the claim).
This is hilariousUtah beat BYU awesome great good for the UtesThis
article states that BYU is ranked higherWhy so much back and forth.we have two facts Utah beat BYU. BYU has played well since then and is ranked
higher.End of story.Good job Utes and Cougs.
@ Tators....Obviously you pay plenty of attention to not just myself but the
many Ute posters. Who cares where they are currently ranked? It won't
matter much when U get blown out by both The Badgers & Irish... Don't
you get it @ least somewhat?! If "YBU" was better then they would have
simply won @ lesst once in the last four meetings & most definitely more
then 3 out of last 12! Your team has how many BCS wins? That's
right...Zero! My suggestion is to first find a conference that actually wants
you which will require the said mentioed feat prior to inviting your team as a
member. My suggestion is don't hold your breath! You can always blame Obama
though "Tators" right?
slc jimmygo back and do some research about the Pac-10 and BYU during the
90's and the Big 12 for that matter. BYU has been wanted by athletic
directors for a long long time. Other bias' get in the way.
Sometimes the moderating on comments is really out of hand.All I was
trying to say is a certain user is good at getting people all worked up when the
better thing to do was to ignore him. There are more meaningful and fun things
to talk about than trying to prove someone is wrong and you are right.
If I could change my screen name on this one it would be No Dog In This Fight.
However, I do agree with UtahBruin about the rivalry games. End of season is
when they should be played. I can't imagine USC playing UCLA in the 2nd or
third game of the year. I think it is too bad that for a few years now the
BYU/Utah game is not going to happen. And the fact that Utah has beaten BYU
some 4 times in a row should not diminish anything. There have been times when
SC either won or lost rivalry games against UCLA or Notre Dame up to 10 times in
a row. It only makes that first win in a decade more the better when it
happens. I hope the Ute/Cougar game will resume at sometime in the future and
can be scheduled late in the season. Happy Holloween.
Look, it's great that we beat BYU these past four years, but no Utah fan
can say we "own" BYU with a straight face. We owned BYU in 2008 and
2011. But these last few games were pretty close, and probably could have gone
the other way with the change of a bounce or two. I can't say how much it
pains me to admit it. I honestly thought that once we joined the PAC 12 we
would be seeing a lot more wins like 2008 and 2011 vs. BYU. Instead,
we get close, emotionally draining games, and then we go and get stomped to open
up PAC 12 play and sit home during bowl season. At this point it
just doesn't make sense to play BYU, at least if our goal is to compete in
the PAC 12. Our performance in the PAC 12 has been embarrassing, to say the
least. Most Ute fans tempered their expectations when we joined, but we
(speaking for myself, at least) didn't expect to be the joke of the
conference three years in. Time for a change. No more BYU. And
Chris Hill needs to go.
@ Chris B - Salt Lake City, UT, 2:31 p.m. Oct. 29, 2013 - "It's true
Utah has become a doormat in the Pac 12."Oohhhh!......that's gonna leave a mark.Don't worry,
Chris B.....I'll be sure to post your quote of your beloved team whenever
and wherever I can.Anytime you get tired of cheering for your
"doormat" team, you're welcome to come and cheer for a real time
like BYU. It's a great time to be a Cougar!
Sorry, Cougar fans but reality has set it. Yes BYU is a nice program with a
solid history. But the Utah BYU programs are at different levels. Utah now
plays in the PAC-12 (The conference of Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Oregon
State, Washington) you get the picture. Two of Utahs easiest games this year
have been BYU and USU and not surprising they won both of them. The real
football for Utah begins when PAC-12 play starts. If Utah played Houston, Boise
State, GT, Idaho State, Nevada, Virginia etc. a bowl game for the Utes would be
a foregone conclusion. Playing the likes of Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC,
Arizona, Arizona State and Oregon State makes getting bowl eligible a real
accomplishment not a forgone conclusion (BYU). UTAH and BYU are simply at
different levels of football thats about it not much more to say about it. (and
yes BYU will beat Utah once every 5 years or so because BYU is a good team but
thats about all Cougar fans should realistically expect).
UPAC12yawnAttaching a conference label to a team
doesn't prove anything. Who cares who Utah plays if they can't beat
them.Record versus PAC teamsBronco 9-8 (53%)Kyle 12-18
(40%)Utah is 0-4 versus Houston, 0-4 versus Boise State, and 0-8
versus Washington - all teams BYU has beaten in the last 4 years.During the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has beaten Oregon 38-8, Oregon St 44-20, UCLA
59-0, Washington, Arizona, and Washington St. from the PAC, as well as teams
like Texas, Oklahoma, and Ga Tech from other conferences. BYU stomped Ga Tech
38-20 and 41-17 in the last two years. Utah barely slipped by Ga Tech 30-27 in
OT.The truth is, BYU would be more competitive in the PAC than the
Utes have been.
UPac12lol Until Utah actually beats those teams they are on the same level
as Colorado and Wazzu.and no 1 victory a year against a top team does not
get you there.BYU has a stronger SOS than the majority of power
conferences and they are going to a bowl.cmon man have a better
argumentA cellar dwellar in a power conference is probably not better than
one of the top 3 mid-majors.
The utes and cougs proved this point a long time ago.
As I have read these comments from both sides of the fence, I am going to take
as neutral as a stance as I can. As a Cougar fan I am jealous of the Utes and
their Pac-12 membership. I would think a majority of Cougar fans are jealous.
That being said, would I trade positions with Utah and be a doormat of the
Pac-12 over 8-4 independent seasons. The answer is no. If Utah was a bowl team
every year, then yes I would trade. Second, yes the Utes beat BYU Sept. 21, but
right now BYU is the better team. Since the 76'ers beat the Heat a couple
of nights ago, are they the favorites to win the NBA title now? Lots of weird
things happen over a season, that's why the season is 12 games and not 2.
Overall, BYU is the better team right now, will they be in 2 weeks? I don't
know. That's why they play the games. Go Cougars!
First this is easy in terms of which not-team but "program" is currently
better...if you use a 10 year reference which is usually a good measuring stick
some history/consistency but also recent enough to have relevancy, UTAH has
beaten BYU 7 out of 10 games....that is nearing domination in terms of rivalry
football. That also means against BYU and Utah-State over the last 10 years
Utah has won 16 of 20 contests (again that is total domination). The comment
that it does not matter which conference you play in if you don't win most
your games is just silly. That comment led to the submission that Utah is not
competitive in the Pac-12. Really, our first year we were one game away from
the Pac-12 championship. This year we lost to 5-1 Oregon State in OT, we lost
to #10 UCLA by one score in the final minute, we beat #5 and defending Pac-12
champ Stanford before falling at Arizona in a game that was not decided until
the final 2 minutes and true we were bad at USC. Yes we are competitive and
yes we own BYU/USU
I'm pretty sure that the only utah team playing for a div 1 conference
championship until BYU gives up independence will be the Aggies.