College football re-rankings: BYU, USU move up in the BCS — Utah falls


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  • Scizzors Logan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    I'm pretty sure that the only utah team playing for a div 1 conference championship until BYU gives up independence will be the Aggies.

  • UPAC12 Colorado Springs , CO
    Nov. 1, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    First this is easy in terms of which not-team but "program" is currently better...if you use a 10 year reference which is usually a good measuring stick some history/consistency but also recent enough to have relevancy, UTAH has beaten BYU 7 out of 10 games....that is nearing domination in terms of rivalry football. That also means against BYU and Utah-State over the last 10 years Utah has won 16 of 20 contests (again that is total domination). The comment that it does not matter which conference you play in if you don't win most your games is just silly. That comment led to the submission that Utah is not competitive in the Pac-12. Really, our first year we were one game away from the Pac-12 championship. This year we lost to 5-1 Oregon State in OT, we lost to #10 UCLA by one score in the final minute, we beat #5 and defending Pac-12 champ Stanford before falling at Arizona in a game that was not decided until the final 2 minutes and true we were bad at USC. Yes we are competitive and yes we own BYU/USU

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Nov. 1, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    As I have read these comments from both sides of the fence, I am going to take as neutral as a stance as I can. As a Cougar fan I am jealous of the Utes and their Pac-12 membership. I would think a majority of Cougar fans are jealous. That being said, would I trade positions with Utah and be a doormat of the Pac-12 over 8-4 independent seasons. The answer is no. If Utah was a bowl team every year, then yes I would trade. Second, yes the Utes beat BYU Sept. 21, but right now BYU is the better team. Since the 76'ers beat the Heat a couple of nights ago, are they the favorites to win the NBA title now? Lots of weird things happen over a season, that's why the season is 12 games and not 2. Overall, BYU is the better team right now, will they be in 2 weeks? I don't know. That's why they play the games. Go Cougars!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 1, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    The utes and cougs proved this point a long time ago.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 1, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    lol Until Utah actually beats those teams they are on the same level as Colorado and Wazzu.
    and no 1 victory a year against a top team does not get you there.
    BYU has a stronger SOS than the majority of power conferences and they are going to a bowl.
    cmon man have a better argument
    A cellar dwellar in a power conference is probably not better than one of the top 3 mid-majors.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 6:40 a.m.



    Attaching a conference label to a team doesn't prove anything. Who cares who Utah plays if they can't beat them.

    Record versus PAC teams
    Bronco 9-8 (53%)
    Kyle 12-18 (40%)

    Utah is 0-4 versus Houston, 0-4 versus Boise State, and 0-8 versus Washington - all teams BYU has beaten in the last 4 years.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has beaten Oregon 38-8, Oregon St 44-20, UCLA 59-0, Washington, Arizona, and Washington St. from the PAC, as well as teams like Texas, Oklahoma, and Ga Tech from other conferences. BYU stomped Ga Tech 38-20 and 41-17 in the last two years. Utah barely slipped by Ga Tech 30-27 in OT.

    The truth is, BYU would be more competitive in the PAC than the Utes have been.

  • UPAC12 Colorado Springs , CO
    Oct. 31, 2013 10:54 p.m.

    Sorry, Cougar fans but reality has set it. Yes BYU is a nice program with a solid history. But the Utah BYU programs are at different levels. Utah now plays in the PAC-12 (The conference of Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Oregon State, Washington) you get the picture. Two of Utahs easiest games this year have been BYU and USU and not surprising they won both of them. The real football for Utah begins when PAC-12 play starts. If Utah played Houston, Boise State, GT, Idaho State, Nevada, Virginia etc. a bowl game for the Utes would be a foregone conclusion. Playing the likes of Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State and Oregon State makes getting bowl eligible a real accomplishment not a forgone conclusion (BYU). UTAH and BYU are simply at different levels of football thats about it not much more to say about it. (and yes BYU will beat Utah once every 5 years or so because BYU is a good team but thats about all Cougar fans should realistically expect).

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 31, 2013 7:54 p.m.

    @ Chris B - Salt Lake City, UT, 2:31 p.m. Oct. 29, 2013 - "It's true Utah has become a doormat in the Pac 12."

    Oohhhh!......that's gonna leave a mark.

    Don't worry, Chris B.....I'll be sure to post your quote of your beloved team whenever and wherever I can.

    Anytime you get tired of cheering for your "doormat" team, you're welcome to come and cheer for a real time like BYU. It's a great time to be a Cougar!

  • MountainMan25 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Look, it's great that we beat BYU these past four years, but no Utah fan can say we "own" BYU with a straight face. We owned BYU in 2008 and 2011. But these last few games were pretty close, and probably could have gone the other way with the change of a bounce or two. I can't say how much it pains me to admit it. I honestly thought that once we joined the PAC 12 we would be seeing a lot more wins like 2008 and 2011 vs. BYU.

    Instead, we get close, emotionally draining games, and then we go and get stomped to open up PAC 12 play and sit home during bowl season.

    At this point it just doesn't make sense to play BYU, at least if our goal is to compete in the PAC 12. Our performance in the PAC 12 has been embarrassing, to say the least. Most Ute fans tempered their expectations when we joined, but we (speaking for myself, at least) didn't expect to be the joke of the conference three years in.

    Time for a change. No more BYU. And Chris Hill needs to go.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    If I could change my screen name on this one it would be No Dog In This Fight. However, I do agree with UtahBruin about the rivalry games. End of season is when they should be played. I can't imagine USC playing UCLA in the 2nd or third game of the year. I think it is too bad that for a few years now the BYU/Utah game is not going to happen. And the fact that Utah has beaten BYU some 4 times in a row should not diminish anything. There have been times when SC either won or lost rivalry games against UCLA or Notre Dame up to 10 times in a row. It only makes that first win in a decade more the better when it happens. I hope the Ute/Cougar game will resume at sometime in the future and can be scheduled late in the season. Happy Holloween.

  • greatbam22 andrews afb, MD
    Oct. 31, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    Sometimes the moderating on comments is really out of hand.

    All I was trying to say is a certain user is good at getting people all worked up when the better thing to do was to ignore him. There are more meaningful and fun things to talk about than trying to prove someone is wrong and you are right.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 31, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    slc jimmy
    go back and do some research about the Pac-10 and BYU during the 90's and the Big 12 for that matter. BYU has been wanted by athletic directors for a long long time. Other bias' get in the way.

  • slcjimmy SLC, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    @ Tators....Obviously you pay plenty of attention to not just myself but the many Ute posters. Who cares where they are currently ranked? It won't matter much when U get blown out by both The Badgers & Irish... Don't you get it @ least somewhat?! If "YBU" was better then they would have simply won @ lesst once in the last four meetings & most definitely more then 3 out of last 12! Your team has how many BCS wins? That's right...Zero! My suggestion is to first find a conference that actually wants you which will require the said mentioed feat prior to inviting your team as a member. My suggestion is don't hold your breath! You can always blame Obama though "Tators" right?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 31, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    This is hilarious
    Utah beat BYU awesome great good for the Utes
    This article states that BYU is ranked higher
    Why so much back and forth.
    we have two facts Utah beat BYU. BYU has played well since then and is ranked higher.
    End of story.
    Good job Utes and Cougs.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 31, 2013 2:46 a.m.

    A few very inconvenient Truths for ute fans:

    . utah has beaten both BYU and Stanford this year... Yet both are ranked far ahead of the utes in virtually every poll (I don't think that we will hear from a ute fan that they are better week in and week out than the Cardinal and if they are objective the same holds true for the Cougars).

    . Without BYU on the ute schedule they would not have the 4th most difficult schedule in America.

    . When you think about it BYU is really only one bad play call at Virginia, and a holding penalty, while playing the utes, away from an 8-0 record and possibly on it's way to a BCS Bowl.

    . BYU would be Bowl eligible if they were playing the ute's schedule (while this is more conjecture than the first 4 bullet points I believe that there is enough evidence to support the claim).

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 9:11 p.m.

    "Let's talk Score Board!

    NO, anything but that!"

    That's really ALL the Utes have. If out of 10 indicators 9 said Team A was better than Team B, would you bet your money on Team B?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 30, 2013 8:02 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar

    Let's talk Score Board!

    NO, anything but that!

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 6:34 p.m.


    "That was then; this is now." Precisely what byu fans have stated both before, during, and after every Rivalry Game loss the past four years in a row.

    "The Utes would have to dominate Arizona State and then beat Oregon in order to get a single vote in either poll - like that's ever going to happen." They'd receive more than a single vote - yet byu wouldn't stand a chance against those teams, either.

    "Anybody claiming that Utah has simply been 'snake bitten' obviously isn't willing to face reality." Okay, then. Let me ask you a question - were you willing to face reality when your cougs lost the Rivalry Game for the fourth straight season? Snake bitten defined: experiencing a period of misfortune or inability to succeed. Which is precisely what has happened in Utah's narrow losses to OSU, UCLA, and yes, even Zona and SC. Sorry, but snake bitten is spot on when describing Utah's season thus far.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 5:38 p.m.

    Since the Utes LOVE to talk strength of schedule, let's talk strength of schedule.

    This year compared to the last year in the MWC, Utah's SOS is significantly higher. Their record is much lower, however. BYU's SOS is also higher. However, their record is about what it was during the MWC era.

    Conclusion: Utah can't handle the tougher schedule, and BYU CAN handle the tougher schedule. Edge: BYU.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    If you really want a good LOL, then try this one on for size...

    You say that Utah and TCU are so great and would dominate in a mid-major conference (where you put BYU).
    And yet TCU just lost to Texas 30-7. And of course BYU earlier clobbered Texas 40-21.
    Per your reasoning, that means BYU is substantially better than either one.
    That in turn doesn't say much for your statement about TCU.

    And let's not forget that Utah lost to OSU who in turn lost to a division II school.
    That doesn't say much for your statement about Utah, either.

    So much for your 2 wonderful and great examples.
    That just proves that on a given day, even a lower ranked team like Utah could occasionally beat a higher ranked team like BYU.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    @ Chris
    10 or 9
    I know you can count 3 stars or 2 stars

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    I don't quite understand some posts say 9-0 against mwc/Indy and other say 10-0.
    Would someone clarify?
    Go Utes and Cougs

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    The Ute commenters who call BYU homers for saying BYU is the better team crack me up.

    This is easy to solve - let's forget both of our biases.

    Who do ALL of the major polls have ranked higher? The experts say BYU is better at this point in the season.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    @Chris B
    Oh and do you realize that Northern Illinois is currently ranked #17 and Fresno #16 in the BCS? you're so called knowledge of college football really is just following everything Byu does and making silly predictions. LOL

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    lol the hapless offensive Utes would not be dominating in the MWC, mark that down

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    Again making assumptions. Nobody knows where Fresno or NIU would be in the other conferences.
    But maybe he has decided not to agree with the experts anymore like he did yesterday.
    Go Utes and Cougs

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    Now all we will hear about from Ute fans it SOS, ahhaah so what? That just proves the Utes aren't even close to competing at a high level in college football, just like the Stanford win was a fluke so was barely beating Byu, thanks to some favorable calls for the Utes.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    After dominating the MWC, Utah and TCU have gone on to struggle in their prestigious BCS leagues.

    Just goes to show how big of a difference there is.

    People like to claim rankings take into account strength of schedule, but they only do to a degree.

    Northern Illinois and Fresno wouldn't be top 20 teams if they were in the SEC or Pac 12.

    And both Utah and TCU would be dominating the WAC 2.0(MWC) if we were still in the league, as is easily seen by the Pac 12's 9-0 record against MWC/byu teams


  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    @ JLFuller:

    If you are an objective fan of college football, you would know that ALL teams have injured players sitting out in literally every game played. It's a built-in part of the game. BYU had several backup players in their secondary and offensive line when they played Boise. But you somehow forgot to mention those facts.
    You also conveniently forgot to mention that Boise's entire defense was healthy and played... and BYU's offense basically took them to the woodshed.

    Also, Boise's backup qb (Hedrick) played all but the first play of their previous game... a game they won. He is a junior whose qb rating is over 125 and already has 496 passing yards with 2 td's. So there hasn't been much of a drop-off.
    But it somehow goes entirely against your grain to be able to give BYU any credit for a game well played. Your obvious bias takes away from your credibility.

    Keep in mind that BYU had an injured quarterback in their previous 2 games with Utah. But that didn't keep you and other Ute fans from crowing about those wins. So give credit where credit is due.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    @ slcjimmy:

    Why is it nonsense to mention what is happening now, as opposed to what happened 3 and 4 years ago (completely different teams)... which is what you and other Ute commenters keep doing? In case you hadn't noticed, this article is about how the in-state teams are CURRENTLY doing. This season facts are that BYU has won it's last 5 games, while Utah has lost 3 of its last 4 games.

    BYU beat Oregon 38-8 the last time they played a few years ago. That doesn't mean BYU is better now anymore than games with Utah several years ago mean they're better now.

    So why is it nonsense to point out BYU is now ranked double digits better than either Utah or USU in literally every major national poll. They ALL are in complete agreement that BYU is currently the best team in the state. And considering the results of the past several weeks, that's a no-brainer to everyone whose vision isn't fogged by crimson glasses.

    It's actually you who needs to think before commenting. Try using common sense in place of bias next time. Readers will pay more attention.

  • MrPlate Lindon, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    @2BCSWINS - so funny that you call out homers, then post that comment. I think I'll submit to Dictionary dot com that they include your post at 8:23 AM as the definitive example of "homer" logic.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    2 BCS wins
    your assumptions are funny.
    you have no idea
    they haven't played, you are guessing
    does BYU matchup better than Utah against teams?
    Cmon man. At least use an plausible intelligent argument.
    Utah's record would be better if the qb was healthy.
    Right now the way the qb is playing
    they would beat MTSU
    no offense but Utes are seriously struggling right now.
    The Y is not.

    Oct. 30, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    "What will the Cougars do after their big win? Against a similar type of opponent at Wisconsin?"

    Uteology, Arizona on the road is the not the equivalent of playing at Wisconsin, sorry. Yes, Utah has played a brutal schedule and props to that but, these two don't compare.

    Oct. 30, 2013 8:45 a.m.


    "Utah beat BYU on their home field

    Utah has beaten BYU 4 in a row"

    Sure have, no debate who the better team head to head is.

    "Utah has the #4 schedule in the country, and after playing #25 ASU and #2 Oregon, Utah will most likely have the #1 toughest schedule"

    It likely will. BYU's SOS is also No. 21 putting their SOS as stronger than that of most schools in power conferences though.

    "BYU is 2-4 against PAC12 teams since Utah joined that conference"

    Utah is 8-15 against Pac 12 teams since Utah joined that conference. Hmm.

    "BYU's best win is Houston and worst loss is 2-6 Virginia"

    OK. BYU has two wins over teams leading AQ conferences. How many does Utah have?

    "Utah has already won the Beehive boot, that debate is over."

    Awfully long post for a debate that is "over" isn't it?

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    "If Utah is to be recognized for losing to a tough schedule, then BYU should be given even more recognition for winning versus a tough schedule."

    LOL! The cougies haven't won anything vs. a tough schedule. Please name me one top 25 team they have beat? It's clearly obvious to everybody but cougie homers the Utes are the best team in the state of Utah hands down. They have won every game on their schedule against other in state teams. Cougie fan's come back and talk to us after the cougies beat utah or even a top 25 team for the matter.

    Had the Y played the Utes schedule to this point the would be:

    Utah St at home with Keaton- L
    Weber St- W
    Utah- Of course auto L
    Oregon St- L
    UCLA- L
    Stanford- L
    @Arizona- L
    @USC- L

    They would be 1 - 7 and at years end would be 2 - 10. If it were switched and Utah had played the cougies schedule utah would be undfeated and everybody would be talkin about their 3rd BCS game. You cougie homers don't fool anybody.

  • slcjimmy SLC, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    @ Tators...Again please show some form of collegiate football knowledge before posting any more utterly ridiculous nonsense! If your team was better they would have won at least ONCE in 4 meetings & I believe not have lost 9 out of 12! In closing, finding an actual conference would definitely help. When you get blown out by The Badgers & Irish lets then see what the polls have to say.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:23 p.m.


    With apologies to the Bard, "Me thinks thou protesteth too much."

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    Don't worry Ute fans I'll convince my fellow BYU fans that Utah is simply the best in state and the country. Fiesta Bowl '04, Sugar Bowl '08, and then the blessed PAC invite. Come on Y fans why can't you see that? To have BCS affiliation is just, ahhh I just can't desribe the euphoria I experience everytime I think about it. I mean, really, I would rather lose every game and be the laughing stock of the PAC-12 than to be Independent. It doesn't matter who the Y plays and how well they play because they aren't playing for anything...no conference championship. Even after there's no chance to reach the PAC-12 championship game and having a losing season with no bowl game, that is far better than being Independent with a possible top 25 ranking and a bowl game. It's just logical my Cougar fans, being in the PAC-12 is just that much better.

    Onward and Upward

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:45 p.m.

    Onward and Upward

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    Article quote: "Every week, USA Today's Paul Myerberg re-ranks all the college football teams. Utah was the only local team to drop in the rankings, as it fell from No. 51 to No. 59. BYU jumped up seven spots to come in at No. 26, knocking on the top 25 door. Utah State, even with its bye, moved up 10 spots to come in at No. 57."


    Don't tell the Utah fans. They still think they're the best team in the state.

    BTW, anyone seen Chris B?

    Go Cougars!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:18 p.m.


    As far as PAC 12 sports go, gymnastics is the only PAC 12 sport in which the Utes are competitive.

    Coed skiing isn't a PAC 12, in fact, only four FBS programs compete in coed skiing - Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, and New Mexico.

    In football, Utah started strong, but like most years, has faded; BYU is now clearly better than Utah.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 29, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    I have no problem acknowledging that Utah has the better team on September 21.

    But I do have a problem with the few Ute fans who think that Utah is the better team today.

    Fortunately most Ute fans are more objective than the few haters, and realize that BYUs offense has skyrocketed in production and efficiency since then and Utah has taken a nose dive.

    Sure most of it is on the QB with Hill and the entirely new coaching team finally clicking while Wilson has struggled with injuries (just like Nelson last year).

    The couple of Ute fans who are not objective will relish their wins over BYU, USU and Stanford. But will not acknowledge reality, that BYU is without doubt the best FB team in Utah by a long shot in October and likely November, December and a more successful overall season.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    @ chris b:

    BYU gas won it's last 5 games in a row... in other words:

    Win after win after win after win after win.

    Utah has lost 3 of its last 4 games... in other words:

    choke after choke after win after choke.

    Facts are facts.... especially without crimson colored glasses to help distort someone's reality.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    As an Aggie fan I am pleased as punch with where the Aggies are. (Thank you, Gary Anderson)

    I don't understand all this nonsense between BYU and Utah fans about 'distancing' themselves from the other team. They are essentially the same team. Utah has a good 4 year run, but most of the games in the last 20 years could have gone either way.

    It is impressive that Utah is in the PAC 12 (although you could probably take down those silly 'Pac 12 Pride' posters now.) And despite the fact that BYU was supposed to wither and die without a conference, they are playing two of the most historic programs in college football in November. That says A LOT about BYU's brand nationally. (Now quit coming up with silly slogans for each football season and start beating more of these big name teams.) And above all, Go Aggies!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    @ Uteology:

    In case you hadn't noticed, BYU just became the first team from the state of Utah to ever beat Boise State... obviously something that Utah has never done. And the Cougars beat them quite soundly. On top of that, it was the first time Boise has lost in October in over 50 games. That's truly getting up for the game. Don't judge BYU too heavily on history, because times are a changing.

    @ Chris B:

    As long as BYU is ranked so much higher than Utah by literally all national polls, it's actually Utah who is both the doormat of the PAC12 and also to BYU. It's true that Utah had BYU's number on September 21st. But since then, BYU has done everything necessary to prove itself now superior to Utah. You're just going to have to live with it.... or so says USA Today, The Coaches Poll, CBS Poll, the Sagarin Rankings, and every other national poll.

    And who says otherswise? Just you while wearing your fogged crimson glasses. LOL!

    If it makes you feel any better, everyone does agree that Weber State is still a doormat to the Utes. Go utes.

  • BlackDiamond Provo, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    Do you even play football?

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    These comment boards are starting to sound more and more like a Charlie Brown sound track when the "adults" are talking....

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 4:43 p.m.

    2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0,

    The reason BYU has not been invited to a BCS conference is due to their unwillingness to play on Sunday. If you look at the overall athletic programs of both schools BYU has the advantage. So it clearly is not due to the state of the athletic program. BYU is better in most all sports except gymnastics, skiing and football. The later could be argued though. Utah was the better football team in September but the Y is the better team now. What matters is how you finished not how you start. With that said, I hope both schools finish strong and make a bowl game. Both schools are great!

  • BlackDiamond Provo, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    The Ute fans talking about their tough schedule is like when I complain to my counselor how hard my business classes are. Counselors advice to me, if you wanna study business then make sure you pass your business classes.

    So fellow Utes, you wanna take on a tough schedule make sure you pass your tough schedule. Get out of the kitchen if you can't handle the heat!

    A tough schedule is not gonna win you a championship. It's winning.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 4:09 p.m.


    "It isn't just the rivalry game, apparently BYU can't get up for the TCU and Boise games either (0-4 and 1-3)."

    More, distorted hyperbole?

    Most recent results:

    versus Boise State
    BYU 37-20 (2013), 6-7 (2012), 27-28 (2008)
    Utah 3-26 (2010), 3-36 (2006)

    versus TCU
    BYU 28-38 (2011), 3-31 (2010)
    Utah 7-47 (2010), 28-55 (2009)

    13-20 (2013), 21-24 (2012), 10-54 (2011), 16-17 (2010)

    Yes, Utah certainly "got up" for their last two games versus Boise St and TCU.

    We'll see how "up" you get for Oregon.

    The last time BYU played Oregon, BYU got "up" 38-8.
    The last time BYU played UCLA, BYU got "up" 59-0.
    The last time BYU played Washington, BYU got "up" 23-17,
    in fact, Bronco has never lost to Washington (2-0); Utah has never beaten Washington (0-8).

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    Actually Chris
    The experts have the Utes worse than the cougs.
    I congratulate Utah on their 4 wins in a row.
    But the experts (as Chris pointed out earlier) agree that the Cougs are better.
    If wilson was healthy I doubt it would be that way.
    But it is.
    Have a good day.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    According to christy's weird transitory pecking order, Stanford is the doormat of the PAC and Stanford's #5 BCS ranking is a complete farce.

    Someone should explain to her why results of the entire season carry much more weight than the results of one or two games.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Oct. 29, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    As a proud non-Utah BYU fan I really couldn't care less who the USU or UU fans think are the best program in their state. I admit I love seeing Utah lose, but only because of the obnoxious antics and attitude of their fans and team towards BYU for as long as I have been a student/fan (late 70s), and by all accounts, long before then. I am decidedly not one of those fans who mourn the coming two years off.

    Go and be happy, Utes, in the PAC. Your big dream came true three years ago, right? So get over your Y hatred, and start figuring out how to compete in the PAC. As an SC fan (for even longer than I have been a BYU fan), I can say there is a really long way for you to go to be anything other than perennial cannon fodder there, and you can't afford the energy you put into your hatred of all things BYU if you plan to break out. I've also ever understood how you expected to recruit against USC, Oregon, Stanford, UW, UCLA or ASU. Good luck with that.

    Go Cougars!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2013 3:12 p.m.


    @Whoa Nellie

    So what will it take then for BYU to get up for that game early.


    It isn't just the rivalry game, apparently BYU can't get up for the TCU and Boise games either (0-4 and 1-3). Regardless of when the games are played, early or at the end of the season, they haven't been able to beat those teams.

    Utah is 8-1 against non-Big 5 teams, we just can't compete in the PAC-12. We still lack the depth and talent to do so.

    The reason why BYU has yet to make a BCS bowl or compete against TCU/Boise/Utah...

    They're just not motivated.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 29, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    @ 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0

    Facts are harsh aren't they. Two programs going in different directions. It won't be any better after ASU takes care of u.

    I love my independence.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 29, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    No question BYU is the best team in the state. Glad to see them finding their game. Yes I know utah fans you've beat us four in a row and I'll tell you why: Taysom Hill getting traction, he would destroy you now, Riley Nelson- broken ribs, Jake Heaps- please that one should be obvious, Jake Heaps- Freshman QB. Count your win streak to catching BYU at the right time...nothing else. But you won, scoreboard. So same logic, BYU is the best team in the state year after year, SCOREBOARD AND RANKINGS AND BOWL GAMES. Done.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    3 of BYU's 5 fall sports team are currently ranked in the Top 25

    BYU M Cross Country - #5 (Utah - no team)
    BYU W Volleyball - #20 in AVCA (Utah #32)
    BYU W Soccer - #21 (Utah #37)

    BYU Football receiving votes - #28 AP/#30 Coaches (Utah - no votes)


    BYU W Cross Country ranked last week, receiving votes this week - #36 (Utah - no votes)

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    Samurai Jake

    "Don't forget that after the Utes defeated Stanford, BYU didn't have a single vote, while the Utes received 47 votes. It's obvious that Utah is snake bitten at the moment."

    That was then; this is now.

    What's obvious is that Taysom and BYU have significantly improved throughout the season, while Wilson and Utah peaked versus Stanford and have completely collapsed since then.

    The Utes would have to dominate Arizona State and then beat Oregon in order to get a single vote in either poll - like that's ever going to happen.

    Anybody claiming that Utah has simply been "snake bitten" obviously isn't willing to face reality.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    It's true Utah has become a doormat in the Pac 12.

    And byu is the doormat of the doormat(Utah)

    However "bad" we are, you guys can't beat us.


    Choke after choke after choke after choke

  • JLFuller Boise, ID
    Oct. 29, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    Once again some sports writer touts the BYU win over Boise State as a significant sign of something or other. Just what that is isn't clear given the Boise team was heavily peppered with freshman and second stringers and included a QB who hadn't started a game since high school. Now if the Cougs had defeated a healthy Bronco squad then you would have something to crow about. Certainly BYU is entitled to chalk the victory up in W column but anything more than that is un-gracious and down right unseemly.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    "AP - #28 BYU, unranked Utah (not a single vote)

    Coaches - #30 BYU, unranked Utah (not a single vote)"

    Don't forget that after the Utes defeated Stanford, byu didn't have a single vote, while the Utes received 47 votes. It's obvious that Utah is snake bitten at the moment. But pointing out how many votes one team receives versus the other is meaningless until the end of the season, after an entire body of work has been showcased on the field.

    Utah's losses to OSU, UCLA, Zona and SC were as painful as their triumphs over Stanford, YbU, and Utah State were glorious.

    If the offense can use this bye week to heal, and mentally get back in the game, then wins over WSU and CU should be enough to get the Utes bowling again.

    And here's to hoping that Wilson can limit the turnovers.

  • utesgoingdownthehill Salt Lake City , UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    To all the people saying no conference wants BYU. I hope it stays like that

    BYU is playing good teams, getting plenty of exposure on TV, can play all over the country, better ranked than any other team in the state.

    I hope you guys like your BCS conference because Utah qualifies for BCS bowl every year... NOT!

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    "byu fans hopefully now see why we've dropped byu and scheduled Fresno. Beating byu is not considered a good win(see nation mocking texas for losing to byu)
    Fresno is a better team than byu and is more nationally respected as a quality program."

    Chris, Really?!? That's all you've got left in the arsenal? That is only half-a-step away from a Cletus or ETB comment

    Using your same logic, Fresno is light years ahead of the Utes. And using your previous arguments, the U had now gone from a guaranteed win to a probably loss?

    Wow, still shaking my head in disbelief...

  • pak12thdurmaatt Salt Lake City , UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    Utah has been PAC conference for a while and only thing they can brag about is 4 in a row. So you guys agree that you are irrelevant in PAC-10.2 right?
    Everyone should understand all the team in state of Utah is mediocre at its best. Utah is Idaho State of Pac-10 and BYU is just irrelevant.
    But atleast BYU gets better exposure and plays the same level of opponents that they can win.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    @2013 Utah Sweeps Seniors

    To say Fresno State is a more respected program than BYU is merely a conquest to take another shot at BYU. This is so false. Fresno is is off to a 7-0 start, and who have they played. Absolutely nobody. I guess you would think that there OT victory over 4-3 Rutgers is a huge win, maybe it is the big win over Cal Poly, or maybe the one point win over Boise State at home, or maybe the OT victory over SDSU. Come on, you may not like BYU, but this comment about Fresno being a superior program to BYU holds zero water.

    @Whoa Nellie

    So what will it take then for BYU to get up for that game early. They have laid an egg now 4 years in a row. BYU fans can say it is not like some Ute fans do. But the win means something to the school that wins. So later in the season as they both peak, or BYU needs to wake up when the play Utah early.

    @Spokane Ute

    It sure does.

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    Utah will always and forever be the most beloved and elite football program in the state because of their BCS affiliation. It's better to lose every game in the PAC-12 than to be independent. To have the likes of Stanford and USC come to RES is...welll, you get the picture. Words can't even describe how awesome it is to be a member of the BCS system. I do, recall, not too long ago how even Utah and their fans despised the BCS, but now being in the fold, it's well, heartwarming.

    Couldn't be more proud.

    Onward and Upward

  • fan in orem Orem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    ute fans had the same problem *way* back in the 70s and 80s, when they decided 4-7 and 3-8 were successful seasons as long as they beat BYU. And that was when they were stinking it up against WAC competition. The only difference now is that they are stinking it up against better competition. Congrats on being the best team in SL and Weber Counties.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    Panic on the hill as the Cougars continue to distance themselves from the Utes, and the Utes are helpless to do anything about it.

    Best case scenario for BYU: 10-2 with a Top 15 ranking
    Worst case scenario: 8-4 with a Top 35 ranking

    Best case scenario for Utah: 6-6 with a berth in the New Mexico Bowl versus Wyoming
    Worst case scenario: 4-8 with PAC basement finish

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    chris b

    As TrueBlue posted:

    "BYU has clearly surpassed Utah as the best team in the state:

    AP - #28 BYU, unranked Utah (not a single vote)

    Coaches - #30 BYU, unranked Utah (not a single vote)

    BCS - #28 BYU, #45 Utah, #78 USU

    USA Today - #26 BYU, #57 USU, #59 Utah

    CBS Sports - #29 BYU, #46 Utah, #71 USU

    Sagarin - #24 BYU, #39 Utah, #41 USU

    You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that one game makes a season, but the evidence is overwhelming, NOBODY not living on the hill believes that Utah is a better team than BYU at this point in the season.

    It's laughable that you continue to cite rankings when they suit your narrative, but choose to completely ignore rankings when they disprove your narrow, crimson-colored view of the world.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:20 p.m.


    Stanford and Utah met on the field; Utah won; Stanford is still considered the better team by the vast majority of fans, media and coaches.

    BYU and Utah met on the field; Utah won; BYU is still considered the better team by the vast majority of fans, media and coaches.

    Show me a single national poll or ranking that has Utah ranked above Stanford and BYU.

    BYU has beaten SIX FBS teams; Utah has only beaten three.
    BYU has beaten THREE BCS teams; Utah has only beaten one.

    Get over yourself. Despite Utah's upset wins versus BYU and Stanford, Utah is still, at best, a mediocre team playing a tough schedule. That's what defines an "upset" - an inferior team beating a superior team.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:17 p.m.


    You are spot on and it grows old and tiresome.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    @ Christopher B or 2013 Ute Seniors... or whatever it is you are currently calling yourself:

    Are you still hanging your hat on the first game of the season against Virginia? Seriously... is that all you have left? It's way past time to move on from there. In regard to this article, it would be better to go find a hole and crawl into it than to continue with that worn-out argument. Sadly, readers are now rolling their eyes and laughing at you.

    And if you are honestly convinced Fresno is an overall better program than BYU, then prove it. Please do a bit of research and tell us how many top-25 finishes Fresno has in the history of their football program compared to how many BYU has.
    Hint: It's not even close. Even though I've often thought your extreme bias (even to the point of obsession) adds to your naiveté, I had no idea you were so uninformed in general college football knowledge as you proved today with that statement. Your football acumen just took a literal nose-dive.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 11:57 a.m.


    You need to understand that no matter when Utah plays BYU, that is the week Utah peaks. The rest of their season is meaningless as far as their fans, players and coaches are concerned, regardless of what they may otherwise say. All of their efforts, emotions and adrenaline are put into that one game. This has always been the case. The next two years will show red-clad ute fans and players wandering aimlessly through the season looking for a reason to be involved with life.

    Oct. 29, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    @2013... - yes, today's Texas team is better than than one that played BYU. And, BYU is currently better than the team that played Texas back in September. Both have improved quite a bit. BYU is way better than the team that played Virginia on August 31. BYU is better than the team that played Utah on September 21.

    Unfortunately for Utah, they are moving in the opposite direction. The team that lost to Arizona and USC is not as good as the UTE teams that beat Stanford, BYU, or Utah State just this year.

    I don't get why it's so difficult for you to understand the concept of improvement within a season. Are you really claiming Utah has kept pace with improving teams? Please say yes and give us all a big laugh.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Oct. 29, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    2013 Utes Seniors,
    He might not have known much about BYU but he still chose to go there and look at what he has done with his opportunity!!! How did Utah whiff on him? 6-2 bowl bound and rising!!! Bet the Utes would trade QB's with BYU in a hot second right now!!! RISE UP!!!

    Go Cougs!!!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    I will say that texas is better than when they played BYU 19 points better maybe.
    So you are saying the same Utah team that lost to USC 19-3 is the same Utah team that barely beat the aggies 30-26. (hint USU lost 17-14 to USC)
    Please explain the math of this and how teams so not change during a season
    makes no sense.
    lol too easy

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    @ Christopher B:

    So you are putting credence on what the polls say in regard to Texas versus Oklahoma, but totally ignoring them in regard to BYU versus Utah. Can't have it both ways.
    BTW: Texas is the best team in the Big-12 as long as they continue to lead their conference. They are currently undefeated in conference play and have lost only half as many games as Utah has. It's obvious you try hard to avoid talking about current Utah status, but please remind us of how Utah is doing in regard to their conference play.

    I readily admit that Utah WAS better than BYU... on September 21st. But it's totally obvious BYU is now the better team. A blind man could see that. That doesn't bode well for your objectiveness.

    For you to talk about flip-flopping is the ultimate irony, since you're doing it better than anyone. You missed your calling, Chris. You would've made a great politician... and a good democrat at that.

    @ 2013 Ute Seniors:

    You deservedly get an "A" grade in historical facts, but sadly deserve an "F" in current affairs. Historical trivia is no longer relevant.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    byu fans hopefully now see why we've dropped byu and scheduled Fresno. Beating byu is not considered a good win(see nation mocking texas for losing to byu)

    Fresno is a better team than byu and is more nationally respected as a quality program.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    This has turned into a BYU Utah hate fest again. This is the disappointing thing about this rivalry having to be played in the first 3 or 4 weeks of the season due to Pac12 rules in scheduling, and somewhat understandable so. But still at even week three and four, the kinks are not all worked out for any team. I just don't think you who the real team is that early. How many times have we seen teams who were ranked in the Top 10 after weeks 3 and 4 and then go on to lose 6 straight and unranked and not bowl eligible at the end of it all. Disappointing enough I have seen it with my own Bruins. They were ranked as high as #11 in 2007 and came to Utah and got shilacked, hard to admit here but it did happen. We finished the season with a bowl loss on a blocked field goal to BYU and finished 6-7, we did go 1-1 against BYU that year.

    What I mean by all of this is that I wish Utah and BYU played later in the season when both are at their peaks.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    @ 2013 Ute Seniors... (aka Chris B and Christopher B):

    Somewhat sad that such an ardent Ute fan can no longer write about anything except BYU. Almost nothing about Utah. Obviously, you've made no progress in trying to deal with your obsession. Every national poll in the country verifies that BYU is now the better program and you can't seem to live with it. Trying to tear BYU down will never help Utah get any better. Only they can do that. And you're not helping.

    Don't you realize that the BYU/Ute game was played more than a month ago and that things have changed a lot since then. I admit the present hasn't been kind to the Utes. But that's reality. For you to continue living in the past will not change the present. And the present reality is that things are currently going much better for BYU than for Utah.

    BTW: BYU have definitely made up their minds. We unanimously agree it's much better to be Cougar fans on a 5 game winning streak than to be other-team fans with another 1-4 conference record and on another 2 game losing streak.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Can't wait to start up the basketball conversation.

    How many in a row has BYU won over Utah? How about 11 of the last 12!!

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    Chris B.

    Nobody is saying Texas is the best team in the BIG-12 conference because they beat Oklahoma. Texas is the best team in the BIG-12 because they continue to improve and win. In fact, they have not lost a conference game yet. Their only 2 losses came to BYU and Ole Miss (who just beat LSU).

    If Texas would have face planted like U after their big win over Oklahoma then you would have an argument.

    If after Utah beat BYU they went on to have a winning record and win their conference, then yes, I think everyone would agree Utah is the better team at the end of the season. But a team that peaks in september and nose dives isn't better than a team that improves every week and continues to win against quality opponents.

    At this point of the season BYU is a better team than the Utes. Plain and simple

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    One or two games does not a season make. That's why they play 12 of them or in Utah's case 11. That BYU is in a prime spot to achieve a top 20 finish - even after an abysmal start - is testament to the direction the team is heading. You can do the math for the U...

    Also, I love how a certain poster, with 5 or 6 or more screen names, will regurgitate the same indefensible viewpoint with 10 posts on the same article in hopes of masking the fact that his team consistently underperforms. I obviously understand that the U has done what it takes to win 4 straight over BYU, but looking at the big picture it is indisputable the Y is a better overall program, stars or not.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    To al of those pumping up the utes saying that they have the 4th toughest schedule in the nation...that may have been true at one point but as their opponents have been slipping that may not be true anymore. It is more likely around 25th or so. Sagarin know best and factors all things in when making his rankings and BYU ranks up there at #24 and Utah at #39. Numbers and facts don't lie.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Now now Floppy B,
    You defend the experts now say they are wrong.
    Decide which one.
    lol too easy.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    @ U 90:

    The tough schedule excuse is really starting to get old. We've all heard it many, many times by now. It will never make up for not winning. Weber State could have the toughest schedule in the nation and not win. Anyone could. You forgot to mention Utah lost to a team that lost to a division II team.

    Utah was better than BYU... at least on September 21st they were. But contrary to what you are insinuating, each football program moves on from early season results. Since then, BYU and Utah have gone in different directions. It seems to very hard for some to accept. But it's true nonetheless.

    It seems obvious to nearly everyone (except to just a few hardcore Ute fans) that BYU is now the best college football program in the state. Literally every single national poll, without exception, confirms that. They carry much, much more weight with their objective rankings... than you do with your extremely biased opinion. It's time to face reality. Though Utah was better on one day back in September, they no longer are. That's just the way it is. Reality isn't always nice.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    With all this back and forth, wouldn't it be nice if the two teams could actually meet on the football field and play against each other to determine who was better?

    Oh wait, they did


    Utah 4 wins in a row.

    TWICE time in the last 15 years Utah has had a 4-0 sweep over byU.

    Guess how many 4-0 sweeps byU has over Utah in the last 15 years?


    Know how far back you have to go to get the last two 4-0 streaks for byU over Utah?


    Very far


    It must hurt having a team that hasn't done anything nationally noteworthy in the last decade.

  • SaltLakeCitySlicker SLC, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    It is going to be very difficult to spin that win over #5 Stanford into a positive once Utah finished 5-7 and Whittingham officially places his cheeks on the hot seat. As a USU fan, I can honestly admit to BYU being the best team in the state currently. However, things are only going to get tougher here for both the Cougies and the Utes. Ironically enough, the Aggies could finish with the best record in the state and some serious momentum for next year.

  • Horrible Stumper Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    I hate to admit this, but the Y has definitely hit their stride. I see them going 3 and 1 the rest of the season, yes they are going to beat Notre Dame. I think they will manhandle them. Utes tough league and not enough bullets. I have to admire them for playing the 4th toughest schedule in the nation. But they really need to improve their recruiting and I don't see that happening with the current coaching staff. Ags will win out and hopefully someone will trip up Boise and we can get into the Mt West championship game and pull an upset of our own. It is exciting to have 3 high caliber teams in the state to watch. The Utes are going into a tough stretch, but hopefully they can pull out their "Stanford Game" effort and do some damage. Best of luck to all 3....even the Y.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    @ Chrissy B.
    I have seen two flip flops today from U.
    maybe different fans have different points of view
    But flopping by a single fan is LOL

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    I just posted from that article
    and you say the experts know because of rankings.
    So what do the rankings say

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    All you Ute partisans really need to quit whining about your tough schedule. All it does is show you don't deserve to be where you are or can't handle it or both. Remember CU two years ago----was that a really hard opponent to beat on your home field? Apparently so.

    With respect to saying we ought to go undefeated since you have twice, I respond that you really ought to have a Heisman Trophy Winner and a National Championship, too, as well as doing your share of taking home conference crowns when you were in the WAC and the MWC.

    So much for not only what you accomplished (or didn't) many years ago, but also currently in the PAC 12. Perform, then brag about it. (Like being bowl eligible, for instance.)

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    byU fans can't make up their minds I see.

    On another article they claimed Texas was the best team in the Big 12 because they beat Oklahoma, even though Oklahoma, Oklahoma, and OK State are all ranked higher.

    And then they say byu is better than Utah even though Utah beat them(for the fourth time in a row).

    Flip Flop Flip Flop

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    Isn't it funny how Chris B launches into her strawman "no conference wants you" spiel to distract from Utah's abysmal perform on a national scale.

    She knows that the quality of BYU's athletic programs, which is far superior to Utah's, doesn't have anything to do with BYU not being invited to join the PAC 12 or Big 12, yet she continues to expound this false narrative.

    Lately, Bronco has had THREE 11-win, Top 15 finishes. That's more 11-win seasons since 2006, than the Utes have had in their entire history.

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 10
    Utah 2

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 16
    Utah 5

    Lately, Bronco has had four straight AP Top 25 finishes (2006 to 2009). The Utes have never had more than two straight.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    BYU once again has a decent chance of finishing in the Top 25.
    Utah will once again finish unranked.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    our friendly Chris B has spoken on another article.
    He agrees with the experts and the rankings. Thanks LOL

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    With all the 6-win programs in the PAC that are better than Utah, i think if the Utes expect to go bowling, they have to win 3 of their last 4 games, ending 7-5.

    And we all know, that isn't going to happen.

    ASU - Loss
    UO - Obliteration
    WSU - Toss up, nod to WSU because they are at home
    UC - Toss up (because U lost to them last year), but nod to U because U are at home.

    Might as well hang out the "Gone Fishin'" sign now....

    BYU was probably smart to accept the first bowl bid offered them, since they have no cake walk with Wisconsin, ND and Nevada all on the road. I think they finish 2-2, but 1-3 is a serious reality. Either way, they end up with a better record than Utah, and a bowl berth where one for Utah is dubious at best.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:24 a.m.


    Oklahoma is ranked higher than Texas. Doesn't that mean they're better?

    Or are you agreeing Utah is better than byu since we beat you, even if the rankings don't agree with that?

    Flip Flop!


    Which is it byU fans?

    Texas is at best the fourth best team in the Big 12 according to the experts.

    But hey, you guys probably know more than them huh?

    This a post from you know who.
    He is agreeing with the experts
    What does that mean as far as rankings

  • MrPlate Lindon, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    So, because a high school kid in California doesn't know about BYU, therefore it has no national relevance? Wow - really grasping at straws there. Why don't you look up the comments Williams made after he actually took some time to learn about BYU's program?

    Apparently a couple of commenters know a whole lot more about BYU relevance and national prominence than ESPN officials, who wanted BYU and their national fan base as part of ESPN's national football package. I don't recall hearing about ESPN's interest in Utah. I guess they didn't know about Utah's 2 good years out of 100.

    LOL! Like, even ROFL, if we're going to use the parlance of 13-year-old little girls.

    @Silent Lurker - how's that BCS bowl qualification working out for you? OH next year you'll be in the Rose Bowl, right?

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    Same old, same old, BYU fans wanting to claim superiority when their teams record head to head proves otherwise. No matter how much they brag or beat their chests, the record is still four in a row with three years to go, and nine of the last twelve head to head. That is superiority. Those are the facts that BYU fans just can not seem to come to grips with.

    Say how is that BCS bowl qualification working out for you? OH next year, right!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    Lately no team from Utah has been ranked.
    Who were the other top 5 teams in 2008?
    Anybody remember more that 2
    off the tops of their heads.
    lately LOL

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    Utah State and USC on ESPn
    BYU and Wisconsin ABC
    Utah and anyone Pac-12 network.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    You guys should really try having a top 10 finish sometime soon. Or an undefeated season. We've done it twice lately.

    And if you need a reminder about how much the football world respects your national title from 30 years ago:

    No conference wants you and your own running back thought you were a division II Program.


    THAT'S how much of a "national power" byu is.


  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    Isn't it interesting that with all the "prestige" and "history" of the byu football program, that:

    1. No conference wants you

    2. Your own star running back Jamall Williams said he thought byu was a division II Program.


    Please, give me evidence where any other big time national program has had a recruit that thought they were a division II program.


  • Aaron38 Payson, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    Ute fans, is it really a consolation to have beaten BYU four years in a row? If so, congratulations. I hope that means a lot to you. But getting to a bowl game would mean so much more.

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    Too bad being anything less than #25 doesn't matter in the national scheme of things - only teams finishing in the top 25 of ANY poll or BCS ranking get recognized by the media, recruits, etc.

    We'll see where everyone is at the end of the season (schedule strength will change as teams win and lose between now and then).

    Utah will likely become bowl-eligible, they have a bye week to get rested and figure out their offense issues. BYU will likely lose a few games and come back to earth, and USU has several chances to get to 6 wins still and be eligible for a bowl.

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    Onward and upward

  • SEC Rules Seminole, FL
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    Mark it down

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    This "best in state" discussion is tiresome and relatively meaningless. Clearly BYU is playing better football, has a better record, playing most of their games before a national TV audience, and is bowl-eligible against a tough schedule. Utah beat BYU and USU, has a big win against Stanford and ute fans are content with he opportunity to at least PLAY in a major conference and thrilled to have great teams grace them with their presence by coming to RES. USU is still battling in the MWC, tied with BSU for the lead. So by all accounts, all three fanbases should be perfectly happy, right?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    U 90
    You fudge the numbers a little bit.
    BYU lost to two of the worst teams on the schedule according to the rankings.
    BYU's schedule is tougher than a lot of SEC schools according to Sagarin rankings.
    I give the U credit. but C'mon man BYU is playing really well
    (the utes problem is an unhealthy qb the last two games, how many teams would they beat with that? That is what the rankings are based off of)
    Utah won on the field, but in Utah's current state, I will say they are good but probably not the best team right now.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    Hard to move up the rankings when you can't win. Hard to win when you score 3 points. Utah better get the offensive side of the ball figured out real quick or 5-7 is going to become a harsh reality. How depressing.

  • mhilton Lancaster, CA
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    In talking with a Ute fan, they only seem to be talking about the one win over BYU, like it was the MOST important game of the season. But, I think the rankings speak louder. After a a few weeks of very painful football, I'm glad BYU finally found their rhythem. I'm impressed by the Aggies, too! Way to go, Utah State!

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    Oct. 29, 2013 6:36 a.m.

    We will see who is better as the season continues. Good job Cougars. Good luck Utah and USU!

  • AFMech APO, AE
    Oct. 29, 2013 3:54 a.m.

    Well, the Utes cannot claim to be the "Best in the State" any longer. Yes, they can claim them beat both USU and and BYU, and congrats to them for that. But as a BYU fan, I'm glad to see our success and I hope it continues. Next up, Wisconsin.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    @ True Blue "BYU has clearly surpassed Utah as the best team in the state"

    Keep telling yourself that and ignore that:

    Utah beat BYU on their home field

    Utah has beaten BYU 4 in a row

    Utah has the #4 schedule in the country, and after playing #25 ASU and #2 Oregon, Utah will most likely have the #1 toughest schedule

    Utah has had a tougher schedule than BYU since entering the PAC12

    BYU is 2-4 against PAC12 teams since Utah joined that conference

    BYU's best win is Houston and worst loss is 2-6 Virginia

    Utah's best win is #5 Stanford and worst loss is 5-3 USC

    Virginia's only other win this season is against the Virginia Military Institute

    Make no mistake, I'm calling Utah a bad PAC12 team. But the fact that BYU can't beat a P12 cellar dweller speaks volumes about where the Y’s program is. They’re clearly not the best team in the state. Utah has already won the Beehive boot, that debate is over.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:56 p.m.

    "After one of the biggest wins in Utah football history (over then-No. 5 Stanford) just two weeks ago, the Utes have come out flat the past two games, losing to both USC and Arizona on the road."

    "The Cougars coasted from there as they won 37-20 [Boise]. “It was a really big win for our program,” quarterback Taysom Hill told the Deseret News.


    So after a big win over then and now #5 Stanford Utah took a nose dive.

    What will the Cougars do after their big win? Against a similar type of opponent at Wisconsin?

    This is BYU's chance to prove they're a better team. If BYU wins and Wisconsin ends up being ranked at the end of the season, then it will be BYU's first win over a Big 5 final ranked team since 1996.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:14 p.m.

    Aggies, and Cougs will represent the state well, as they did last year.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:05 p.m.


    Having a tough schedule doesn't mean anything if you don't win.

    BYU has the 21st toughest schedule in the nation, much tougher than any schedule in Utah's history, until this season. Prior to this season, the toughest schedule the Utes had ever faced was #41.

    If Utah is to be recognized for losing to a tough schedule, then BYU should be given even more recognition for winning versus a tough schedule.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    Though not playing in a BCS bowl,-- the next best thing is playing on national TV with Wisconsin, Boise State, Houston, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame.

    No BYU team has had that kind of exposure.

    I'll take that!

  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Ooooops that should be Chris B!

    Oct. 28, 2013 10:50 p.m.

    I would be much happier if Utah, USU and BYU were all winning, but must give a nod to the Utes for now having the 4th toughest schedule in the nation. We'll never know what would have happened if BYU or USU were playing that schedule, but it is really tough to have a confident attitude if you kill yourself with turnovers!

    Go Cougars, Aggies and Utes!

  • sisucas San Bernardino, CA
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:50 p.m.

    Poor Utah has been needing to do some soul searching offensively for about 3-4 seasons now. It seemed like Travis Wilson had figured something out early in the season, but he's lost it as quickly as he found it. Hopefully he gets better again when that hand improves.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:40 p.m.

    BYU has clearly surpassed Utah as the best team in the state:

    AP - #28 BYU, (Others receiving votes: Notre Dame 132, Georgia 24, Brigham Young 22, Texas 22, Ole Miss 21, Virginia Tech 20, Oregon State 17, Florida 14, Washington 6, Minnesota 4, Ball State 4, Arizona 2, Duke 2)

    Coaches - #30 BYU, (Others receiving votes: Arizona State 57, Virginia Tech 53, Texas 31, Oregon State 22, Brigham Young 21, Houston 21, Georgia 20, Duke 8, Minnesota 6, Nebraska 6, Ole Miss 6, Florida 4, Ball State 4, Iowa 1)

    BCS - #28 BYU, #45 Utah, #78 USU

    USA Today - #26 BYU, #57 USU, #59 Utah

    CBS Sports - #29 BYU, #46 Utah, #71 USU

    Sagarin - #24 BYU, #39 Utah, #41 USU

  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    Yup, there are two teams in the state who are moving onward and upward. Sorry Chis B, it just isn't u.