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Published: Sunday, Oct. 27 2013 10:05 p.m. MDT

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Alex 1
Tucson, AZ

Maybe in their lunch break, they can take a tour of Temple Square! Who knows what could happen after that? :)

Alex 1
Tucson, AZ

Have you ever thought about the fact that if there is no afterlife and God, then you will never be conscious of having been wrong about it when you die? If there is no life after death, then it really doesn't matter whether you are right about it.

Salt Lake City, UT

@Mr Glass

"The theory of evolution by natural selection has been validated by science." But this does not explain how life came to be formed from unorganized matter. The two are not related.

Pops explained it best. His second paragraph was outstanding and I completely agree with everything he said.

Mr. Smitty
Salt Lake City, UT


What is unorganized matter? At any rate, while it's true that no one knows exactly how life began (scientists are still working on it), not knowing does not disprove the theory of evolution. Indeed, there is overwhelming evidence supporting the theory evolution. Genetic evidence supports the theory of evolution; Whales, for example, have genes for legs, but a mutation occurred that kept them from expressing. However, sometimes a whale is born with legs. Whales are the descendants of land mammals that lived 35 million years ago. Look it up. The fossil record supports the theory-- in fact, scientists have made many prediction of what they would discover in the fossil record. I only have 200 words, so I can't explain much here. I encourage you to educate yourself.

You claim that the beginning of life is not related to evolution. How do you know this? I find it odd that religious people call people arrogant for claiming to know that the theory of evolution is solid science, that we know evolution happens, but they never make such claims about other scientific theories they accept why? Religion?

Mr. Smitty
Salt Lake City, UT

@Alex 1:

Religious beliefs have real consequences in life. I appreciate religious believers who focus on love and acceptance and who serve others, something both non-believers and believers engage in, but some of their beliefs are harmful. For example, I think it's harmful to base families on the acceptance of beliefs based on insufficient or no evidence. If you are taught, for example, that you will go to hell if you don't believe in Jesus, and decide to abandon your family's religion, you will cause your parents and siblings great deal of grief and concern. I think a belief in hell causes suffering that could be avoided. There is a great deal of conflict in many families simply because a family member decides reject claims based on a insufficient evidence.

Mr. Smitty
Salt Lake City, UT

@Pops: I read Spagetti's posts, and he never said nor implied that it's anti-science to acknowledge the limitations of human endeavors. Acknowledging such limitations does not mean we are incapable of knowledge.

I know the earth revolves around the sun. I also know that water contains two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. Given there are unknown unknowns, how does my making this claim make me arrogant? I've noticed a double standard among LDS members and other religious conservatives. If I tell them there is overwhelming evidence supporting the theory of evolution and begin explaining the evidence, they imply I shouldn't be arrogant about what I claim to know. However, when I talk about scientific theories they perceive as not conflicting with their religious beliefs, they never call me arrogant. Why the double standard? Isn't it obvious that a certain religious belief explains the double standard?


@Mr. Smitty,

First a quote from Spagetti: "It appears that you are ultimately anti-science, and indeed, anti-knowledge."

Second, my guess is that you don't truly know that the earth revolves around the sun, but accept that it does on the basis of what others have said and done; likewise with water being made of 2 H + 1 O. Your knowledge is book learning - you know what is found in books, as long as your eyes and memory have not deceived you, but not whether what the books say is true.

The theory of evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics. Given that the latter is more fundamental than the former, I choose to believe that rather than accept the contradiction. As far as I'm aware, nobody has witnessed life arising spontaneously from inorganic matter, nor do I expect it to be a reasonable event. Likewise, nobody has witnessed one kind of life form become a new life form. What we do observe is extinction and gene pool deterioration, which is in line with the second law of thermodynamics. (I don't recall mentioning religion.)

Mr. Smitty
Salt Lake City, UT


So what you are suggesting is we should abolish scientific knowledge because knowledge is impossible. Your vision is a nihilistic one.

Salt Lake City, UT

"The theory of evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics."

Sorry, Pops, you are wrong. The second law of thermodynamics does not apply to the system of evolution. Perhaps ask a scientist why. Or read about it in a book. Anti evolution sources won't help. Seek a source from people that understand science.

Oh, by the way, I don't have to take anyone's word on rather the earth orbits the sun or if water is made from hydrogen and oxygen. I can conduct the experiments that will prove these things. And so can you. You don't have to take anyone's word on it.

"As far as I'm aware, nobody has witnessed life arising spontaneously from inorganic matter, nor do I expect it to be a reasonable event. Likewise, nobody has witnessed one kind of life form become a new life form. "

Oh. . . I see the problem now. You don't understand the theory of evolution or science. Well that's okay. Most people don't. And there are many people that don't realize they don't understand it. But go ask a scientist, or a student, they'll help you out.

Cottonwood Heights, UT

There are countless non-members in Utah and through out the world that share the same societal views as do we. It would be a long convincing in calling the way that the southern baptists and apostolic penticostals view society as owing to oppression of the Church in Salt Lake. That billboard is inflammatory and would not be permitted by the ADL if the faith depicted was different!

Heidi T.
Farmington, UT

"...at their expense." Not mine. I am a Latter Day Saint and do not live, nor do I believe others live, at anyone's expense unless they choose to do so. It's called free agency.

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