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Published: Sunday, Oct. 27 2013 10:14 p.m. MDT

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MrPlate
Lindon, UT

@Spokane - talk about being unable to read and understand posts. Please quote my comment saying Oregon would thump Texas A&M. I've been saying repeatedly that Oregon would probably NOT throttle Texas A&M, so you might want to "read posts a little more carefully before calling some one out. I hope that helps." @DSB - spot on!

@Uteology - now I'm really laughing. I predicted you would change the parameters of your already narrow challenge. So, to be clear, now we have to show another team with a starting quarterback, who never left the game for treatment, who may have blamed the loss on weather conditions, but ONLY rain-related weather conditions! And, for the celebrations, it has to be a D1 school with a victory in the first game of the season, over a highly hyped team that was not ultimately ranked at the end of the season, and the only celebration that counts is one that occurs in the city streets. I know if I find more examples, you'll surely be satisfied! I'll get right on that!

In addition to "provincialism," you may want to look up the meaning of "straw man" as well.

MrPlate
Lindon, UT

Nice try Spokane, to divert your frustration at getting whalloped by numerous commenters here because of your faulty logic and opinions. I'm not upset in the slightest, and get quite a kick out of watching one post after another challenge your conclusions and interpretations of "facts." It's touching that you're so concerned with my feelings though.

I care very little about who's the best conference. I root for BYU, and I like Utah and Utah State too. I find it interesting to see which conferences win their bowl games, as the final test of conference strength, but right now it's just chest thumping by a few (very few) really great teams, and a lot of others who built a supposed greatness by beating extremely weak opponents. That's the pre-season meaningless joke of a schedule I keep referencing that you think tells so much. If your Pac-12 chest thumping makes you feel better, sorry I dragged you down.

The amount of ridiculous logic on these threads, by fans of all teams, is worthy of scorn and ridicule, and it amuses me to play with people who it obviously means so much to, like yourself.

DSB
Cedar Hills, UT

To Spokane Ute - problem is, I've re-read MrPlate's comments, and he never said Oregon would thump Texas A&M. I don't know if you're making that up, or simply don't comprehend what you're reading, as you falsely accuse me of doing. Since it's all in writing, I suspect you've misunderstood something. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read a little more carefully before your call someone out.

I hope that helps.

LetsDebate
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

@MrPlate - good heavens! Running circles around Spokane Ute and Uteology! They can't even keep up with themselves, let alone you. Well done - this is hilarious! This is so entertaining I'm breaking my own rules regarding the over-use of exclamation points!!!!!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Look BYU fans...the bottom line is that the experts & the nation see BYU as the better team. We care about ute fans' opinions why exactly? Should we believe the country and CFB experts or Chris B...tough one I know. I'm just going to give the "who's better" argument a rest and let the country and experts do the talking for me. Let Chrissy and her minions disagree with them if it makes her feel better.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Uteology:
Also in your search for the meaning of Strawman, please refer to the section about making outlandish remarks regarding the actions if a large group of people such as "Cougar Nation is the ONLY".... Usually these statements are the centerpieces of a Strawman fallacy.

That said, MrPlate needs to realize that he shouldn't debate on your parameters because of your fallacy, but either he wanted to play along, or felt he could still refute you. If he tries to refute your fallacy then the obligation rests with him to meet the ridiculous parameters you established. If he doesn't (and he hasn't) then he can't complain about your parameters...isn't that right MrPlate? Next time just call his Strawman and disregard trying to refute it's already flawed logic.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Besmart

Cool enough and fair enough. I agree.

@ DSB & Mr. Plate

At least own up to what you said and don't fabricate the truth. Per Mr. Plate at 6:00 PM on 10/28

"Oregon would definitely throttle SEC teams LSU and Texas A&M."

No need to apologize, but let's at least be honest when debating. DSB, you may want to read his comments again, but possibly sloooow down this time.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Let'debate

Great insight and what a great angle. Nice, keen observation. When posting such interesting comments and adding so much intrigue to the debate; us all of the explanation points you want; you deserve too!

LetsDebate
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

@Spokane Ute - the only fabrication is coming from your posts. Firstly, my post at 6:00 PM on 10/28 says nothing whatsoever about Oregon's ability to beat LSU and Texas A&M.

Secondly, a fuller and more accurate quote from my post at 11:28 AM on 10/29 is:

"...it's blind homer speculation to claim Oregon would definitely throttle SEC teams LSU and Texas A&M."

This was in response to your post on 10/28 at 4:17 PM that said "Oregon will throttle anyone from the SEC, watch and see."

Alabama, LSU, and Texas A&M are all SEC schools. YOU said Oregon would "throttle" any of them. My subsequent posts posited that only a blind homer could believe that. I am not a blind homer. I do NOT believe Oregon would throttle ANY of them, and NEVER said so The only way to suggest I made such an assertion is for a dishonest person to take my actual words, cut them apart, and use them out of context.

You're full of advice about reading carefully for understanding, avoiding fabrications, and owning up to one's own words. Physician, heal thyself.

CougarSunDevil
Phoenix, AZ

DN

So you don't have a problem with SpokaneUte calling me Juvenille...

"It's intersting how you have to exagerate the names of colleges and the University of Utah. Rather Juvenille, but interesting"

But heaven forbid I say I don't like the utes?

"Spokaneute, why do you have to personally attack me to make your point? You assume that I'm some diehard byu fan. I cheer them on, but my team is the devils. I've heard nothing from you and your alias ChrisB except disrespect for my devils. Runnin youths fans keep running their mouths about how they are going to the rose bowl blaw blaw blaw. That's why I don't like utah. Has nothing to do with the ute obsession of byu."

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

LetsDebate

Thank you for straigtening the thread out. You have done some fine work this morning. I'm not exactly sure why you are even involved in the conversation, but again great work. Do you feel better?

Mr. Plate,

I did take your position regarding Texas A&M, Bama and Oregon out of context. My extreme appologies. We shall see how it all plays out, and possibly pick this up another time.

In summary, yes I believe Oregon will soundly defeat anyone from the SEC. (IMO)
Both the SEC and PAC 12 play patsies in non-conference games. (Fact)
Non-conference games are not meaningless. Just ask Oregon State University if the game vs. E. Wahsingion was meaningless (IMO)

Go UTES & GO Seahawks..............and to all a good day!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

CougarSunDevil

Not sure why are comments were edited either? I just questioned the name calling of schools and screen names. If you take it personally, well my apologies. I don't recall ever saying anything about the Rose Bowl, heck I'd be happy with the New Mexico bowl at this point. As far as Chris B goes, I can no more control his comments then I can yours. I have no idea who the guy is and I dont agree with his MO. You will notice that I never acknowledge or respond to his comments. Please don't label all Utah fans because of him, and especially not me. I find it rather sad that you let one extreme fan on a message board, lead you to hating a University. That's unfortunate. Again, I don't hate BYU. Let's leave it a that; have a good day!

MrPlate
Lindon, UT

@Spokane Ute - of course when a big-conference school LOSES to a patsy (i.e. Oregon St. losing to Eastern Washington), it's not meaningless. It means you're possibly worse than a patsy, and that's admittedly significant. I think you're well aware I was referring to OVERALL pre-season schedules, not individual games.

BEATING a patsy just means you're better than a patsy - congrats on the win, and it actually benefits both teams, but how meaningful is the victory in terms of bragging rights? Since the vast majority of pre-conference games in all elite leagues are against patsies, and the elite conference typically wins those games, it only means they're better than patsies. I'll concede that means SOMETHING - PAC12 teams are better than Big Sky teams, and SEC teams are better than Sun Belt teams, overall. For some reason that's more meaningful to you than it is to me. I can live with the difference of opinion.

Also, LetsDebate is my wife, and I appreciate her support. LetsDebate's most recent post was actually from me, MrPlate, but I failed to log off her account and back into my own before submitting.

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

MountainMan25
Salt Lake City, UT
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Seems to be the only clear headed thinking Utah fan out there...

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Sort of fun to watch the rest of the Utah fans get spanked here.

DSB
Cedar Hills, UT

To Spokane Ute

So, by now you have accused me of being unable to read with comprehension, of fabricating and being dishonest, and needing to slooooow down to understand the comments I read. You've apologized to MrPlate that you have misrepresented him, basically acknowledging that everything I said was correct as well. If I'm wrong with anything, please identify where. Otherwise, it seems you owe me an apology just like you gave to MrPlate.

Y>U
Anaheim, CA

It's worth noting that BYU has already qualified for a bowl after beating 6 FBS teams, while Utah is still struggling to qualify for a bowl after only beating 3 FBS teams (only 1-4 in the PAC).

Goes to show that the Utes, as has been proven over the course of 2 1/2 seasons, were only invited to the PAC to serve as cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference.

The national media, coaches and fans recognize an upset when they see one, otherwise, why would BYU be ranked 20 places higher than the Utes in nearly every poll and national ranking?

If you don't WIN, having a strong SOS is nothing more than a convenient excuse for losing.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

if all pac-12 teams were better than the MWC.
Than all the teams would go to bowls.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

Its worth noting who BYU beat as well as how they have done it. So far they manhandled Texas, USU, GT and MTS, and Boise State. They outlasted Houston. Those six teams are all going to be going bowling.

Its safe to say BYU bounced back. Lets get that game in Wisconsin! Go Cougars!!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

MrPlate
That support is something. Unfortunately the DN won't let me expand on it and I have on earthly idea why? Have a good one.

Samurai Jake
Salt Lake City, UT

@cougsndawgs:

Ok, so let me get this straight - your friend from Georgia doesn't know, or care to know, about the PAC 12 whatsoever. Shocker! Do I care about the sports world that your friend from Georgia cares about? Not in any way, shape, or form.

Let me put it to you this way - do you honestly in your right mind, think that any sports fan this side of the Mississippi, cares even one iota about the SEC? The answer is, all SEC graduates aside, absolutely not.

We're tired of hearing about Alabama. The rest of the SEC, who cares? So the bottom line is, it works both ways. They don't care about our part of the sports world, and neither do we care about theirs. And that's totally okay!

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