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Published: Sunday, Oct. 27 2013 10:14 p.m. MDT

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Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Mr. Plate

Reeling off teams does mean much, but I will play along. UAB, Kent State, Furman, Arkansas st., W. Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Austin Peay, Western Kentucky, South Alabama. That's who LSU, Auburn and Tennessee scheduled this year. Should I continue?

Per ESPN:
"SEC West vs Pac-12 North: The popular debate over the last few weeks has been whether the Pac-12 North is better than the SEC West. The rankings say that the race is very close, but the Pac-12 North has a 1.3-point advantage over the SEC West."

Per Saragin Rankings:
1) SEC West
2) PAC 12 North
3) SEC East
4) PAC 12 South

Non Conference Record
SEC: 32-7
PAC 12: 29-4

Dominating? Hardley. Comparable? Certainly. Oregon will throttle anyone from the SEC, watch and see.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

@ Spokane
I think you are right about Oregon throttling just about everybody from the SEC.
I think Alabama and Oregon would be a close hard fought game.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

BeSmart

It would be cool to see for sure. Florida State also looks like world beaters. Still a few games to be played between now and then, we shall see. Have a good evening Guy!

MrPlate
Lindon, UT

@Spokane Ute - I'm pretty sure I mentioned that SEC teams schedule patsies in their pre-conference lineup. In your blind defense of the Pac 12, I'm sure you missed that. Just like the Pac 12, the SEC goes into their conference games claiming they're invincible because they beat up on the Furman's of the college football landscape. Many SEC teams are also overrated, but the Pac-12 pre-conference schedule is no less patsy-free than any other big league in the land. Non Conference Records for all big conferences are a total meaningless joke.

The only domination I cited was regarding BCS Championship games. You might not consider 7 in a row, and 8 out of the last 10 to represent domination for the SEC, but I think most rational people would. And though I believe Oregon may be able to defeat Alabama, Ohio State, or Florida State, I think only a deluded homer would believe that any of these teams would "throttle" any of the others.

TanMan_101
West Jordan, UT

Ha, cougar fans mocking whatever bowl we go to. Haha, the Kraft fight hunger bowl is one of the most mocked bowls around.

Utah could beat Alabama, Oregon, Florida State, and Stanford by a combined 80 million points and Byu fans would then say that none of those wins are quality, they would then throw on their parachute pants and take their time machine back to 1984.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Oregon is ridiculously good. I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy. I've said for a few weeks now that I think Oregon should be ranked above Alabama, but the Tide have been playing very good football lately. That would be an epic game...and possibly the end of the streak for the SEC. Then throw FSU in the mix, or even Baylor. We can't get a playoff system soon enough (not this plus one nonsense).

WJCoug
South Jordan, Utah

Got to proud of that PAC12 Conference! Utah - the only fan base in the entire United States that a) uses their conference as an excuse for losing and b) roots for the conference more than their team!

Hilarious!

Darth Vader
Ogden, UT

This stuff is too funny.

Here is another factoid:

BYU is still undefeated against Utah in all their hypothetical rematches.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Cougsndawgs
since 2000 do U know what Alabama's record is against Auburn...5-8. Hmm, same record BYU has against Utah, but who in their right mind thinks auburn has been the better program during that stretch. They had one shining season...sound familiar? And no, I'm not comparing BYU to Alabama, I'm showing rivalry games don't always indicate which program is strongest.

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The difference, Alabama plays in the same league as Auburn.

But maybe you are right, in the BCS era the team with:

* No undefeated seasons
* No BCS bowls
* No BCS bowl wins
* No top 5 finishes
* 3-9 against the weaker program on the Hill

Is the better program because it has ONE more AP ranking at #25.

Meanwhile, BYU's still waiting for it's ONE shining season so they can break out their Quest t-shirts.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

WJCoug
South Jordan, Utah

Got to proud of that PAC12 Conference! Utah - the only fan base in the entire United States that a) uses their conference as an excuse for losing and b) roots for the conference more than their team!

Hilarious!

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That's your opinion, here are two facts:

Cougar Nation is the ONLY fan base in the entire nation that...

A) Blames the rain for losing
B) Celebrates a 1-0 Quest in the streets like a championship

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Uteology:
"The difference, Alabama plays in the same league as Auburn".

This is hilarious. Utah and BYU were in the same league also for 10 of the 13 seasons since 2000. It's hilarious how quickly some Ute fans have forgotten their history and turned to snobbery because of being in a conference where they can't compete.

As for one shining season...no BYU has a history and winning tradition that needs no enumeration because it has been done exhaustively on these comment boards. BYU has accomplishments that Utah will frankly never have. This is why BYU gets the respect and benefit of a doubt from voters while Utah gets no such respect. Sorry, it is what it is...tradition, not ONE shining season (ok, maybe 2 in Utah's case...still no tradition or history of any significance).

Lastly, uteology, you refute WJCoug's opinion with your own opinion masquerading as "facts". Again, hilarious.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Uteology:
"The difference, Alabama plays in the same league as Auburn".

This is hilarious. Utah and BYU were in the same league also for 10 of the 13 seasons since 2000. It's hilarious how quickly some Ute fans have forgotten their history and turned to snobbery because of being in a conference where they can't compete.

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Since 2000 yes, since 2010 no. The last decade according to CBS Sports Utah was the #10 program, BYU #27.

Since then we still OWN you on the field and talent (per NFL).
We're still beating the teams you play week-in-week-out (8-1).
The difference we can't compete in the PAC-12 yet.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Cougsndawgs

Lastly, uteology, you refute WJCoug's opinion with your own opinion masquerading as "facts". Again, hilarious.

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What I said were facts, the only one masquerading is BYU football as a "legacy program".

A) Blames the rain for losing
B) Celebrates a 1-0 Quest in the streets like a championship

-- Source A:

I’m not trying to make excuses, because we didn’t make plays, but by the fourth quarter, the balls we were throwing were completely waterlogged,” said quarterback Taysom Hill.

'BYU football: Mother Nature plays big role in BYU-Virginia game’ -- Deseret News

-- Source B: BYU football: Provo celebrates stunning win -- Deseret News

USNGary
San Diego, CA

you guys crack me up. utah fans really are delusional. just because you are in the pac whatever doesn't automatically make you a big boy, hence not getting full share for a few years after joining the conference. as far as having a national presence, BYU has a worldwide presence...anyone watch amazing race? a guy in Poland on tv wearing a BYU shirt. Didn't see any utah shirts. just sayin.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@USNGary

So a guy on the amazing race was wearing a BYU shirt? Wow, that's awesome. That certainly confirms BYU's world wide presence. Did you see the fan on Monday night football last night wearing the Weber State shirt? just askin.....

MrPlate
Lindon, UT

@Uteology - ever heard of the word "provicialism?" You can usually tell someone is provincial when their comment starts with something like the following:

"Cougar Nation is the ONLY fan base in the entire nation that..."

Here's a couple of little clues. Some loyal factions of losing teams all over blame poor weather on their team's performance. Yes, it's tacky, considering the weather probably did not play favorites. Also, all teams and their fans ALWAYS celebrate significant victories, especially when they were pre-game underdogs. Good grief - Ute fans regularly rush the field when they defeat an unranked BYU.

That you think BYU is the only place where people blame weather and celebrate big wins just means you need to get out more.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

MrPlate

Nope, noticed you mentioned the patsies the SEC played, but failed to list them like you did the PAC 12. Now that's curious? As far as Oregon throttling an SEC opponent; check out the Oregon - Tennessee score and the South Carolina - Tennessee score. If using statistics and records, not to mention head to head games is a "blind defense of the PAC 12", then there's no sense carrying on the debate any further. Non-conference games are meaningless? Not even sure how to respond. You seem to get defensive when some one has an opinion that differs? The PAC 12 is as good, if not better, then the SEC this year. The statistics and head to head results confirm that. Also, of those 7 BCS championships, how many were won vs. the PAC 12? One. Again, I was, and still comparing the conferences in the here and now; this year.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@MrPlate

I didn't quote a fan. I quoted Tysom Hill for blaming his abysmal passing due to bad weather.

Yes fans do rush the field, even Notre Dame fans rushed the field when they beat Utah a while back. But I wasn't talking about rushing the field now was I, I clearly said "street" celebrations.

Show me another fan-base that celebrated a 1-0 start by:

"PROVO — People danced in the streets. They hugged perfect strangers. They lit off fireworks. And in general, they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated. BYU fans formed impromptu gatherings at places like LaVell Edwards Stadium, the Marriott Center, and the Wilkinson Center, among others, and several hundred of them showed up at the Provo Municipal Airport to welcome home the team when it landed at 1:45 in the morning."

The only thing missing was a celebration speech from Bronco... oh wait he did:

"With the BYU students corralled behind a string of orange cones, BYU's coaches and players gave high-fives to their admirers before Mendenhall took a mic and briefly addressed them."

MrPlate
Lindon, UT

@Spokane Ute - very interesting... uh, logic. Fact is, Alabama is "any" SEC team. I think it's delusional to think Oregon would throttle Alabama. Oregon would probably throttle "most" SEC teams, true. And, it could be countered that Alabama would throttle "most" Pac 12 teams, probably every Pac-12 team except Oregon, although it's blind homer speculation to claim Oregon would definitely throttle SEC teams LSU and Texas A&M.

Yes, non-conference records are generally a meaningless joke for the elite conferences. If you think beating Furman, Nicholls State, and a host of other cupcakes gives you bragging rights and a realistic determination of your conference strength, well as you said, there's probably no point in further debate. I suspect you discount BYU's defeat of patsies to determine their strength, but the Pac-12's defeats over cupcakes makes them great. Ute fan logic.

And, you think 7 consecutive BCS Championships doesn't show dominance over Pac-12 and every other conference, because the Pac-12 was only good enough to compete against an SEC team (and lose) in one NC game? Again, Ute fan logic.

Your opinions don't offend me, but when you pretend they're facts, I'm amused.

CougarSunDevil
Phoenix, AZ

Utah isn't going bowling unless they beat Washington State (possible) and rival Colorado. In a rivalry game, anything can happen. Colorado brought their winless road record to RES and dominated the overconfident utes in 2011. It could certainly happen again. These are the only two winnable games left on the ute's schedule since they will be extremely overmatched against Oregon and the ASU.

I haven't been to these Orchard lanes I've heard about, maybe a ute fan can describe them to me since they are becoming regulars every December.

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