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Published: Sunday, Oct. 27 2013 7:45 p.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Byu has a "national audience" only so far as there are Mormon people spread throughout the nation. Let's look at what your non-Mormon own star running back said about byu.

"I thought Byu was a division II program"

Jamall Williams


Every football fan in American knows Utah is in the Pac 12

Your OWN recruit thought you were a division II program.


Cheyenne, WY

Every football fan in america knows?
That is a joke.
getting a little desperate these days

West Point , UT

Utah fans: t's great that U are in the PAC12 and getting more money and more exposure. The fact that U get tough games every week with exciting opponents is great and I believe the envy of SOME BYU fans. U have had BYUs number for the last little while, so in terms of the rivalry U have bragging rights for now.

But it's ironic that U use the hand that feeds U as an excuse for your fallures. It's also hilarious how U try and minimize BYUs accomplishments by saying they don't play anyone...they have the 21st toughest schedule in America, and I dare say Utah doesn't beat Texas, Boise, or Houston (who curb stomped Rutgers on the road this weekend) right now. Btw, in terms of rivalry...since 2000 do U know what Alabama's record is against Auburn...5-8. Hmm, same record BYU has against Utah, but who in their right mind thinks auburn has been the better program during that stretch. They had one shining season...sound familiar? And no, I'm not comparing BYU to Alabama, I'm showing rivalry games don't always indicate which program is strongest.

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Every football fan in American knows Utah is in the Pac 12
My Cousin Vinny (1992)

Vinny: 'It is possible that the two utes...'
Judge Chamberlain Haller: 'Ah, the two what? Uh, uh, what was that word?'
Vinny: 'Uh, what word?'
Judge Chamberlain Haller: 'Two what?'
Vinny: 'What?'
Judge Chamberlain Haller: 'Uh, did you say 'utes'?'
Vinny: 'Yeah, two utes.'
Judge Chamberlain Haller: 'What is a ute?'
Vinny: 'Oh, excuse me, your honor.'
Vinny: 'Two YOUTHS.'

Chris, I have my calendar out. Anything I need to mark down?

Rose Bowl still the winner of Utah and UCLA? Dang, we shoulda won that one!

West Point , UT

"Every football fan in American knows Utah is in the Pac 12 "

LOL...no they don't. I have several friends that are SEC fans that don't care about the PAC12, let alone Utah. I was talking to one of them over the weekend because we do pick'elms and fantasy football leagues together. He said, I quote "Utah will beat USC because the Trojans can't even beat a mid-major program right now". He thought Utah was in the MW, still. He's from Georgia so I guess PAC12 news doesn't reach him out there...or he just doesn't care (I assure u it's the latter).

I know in your play world everyone cares about Utah, Chris, but in reality they don't even know a lot about them because they just don't give a...


West Point , UT

Spokane Ute:
"for my I-Pad so I can watch every Utah game, no matter where I go. I can't do the same for BYU games, but who gives a rip?"

Actually, u can watch all BYUs games on apple devices too...BYUtv app, and watch espn. I'm not saying that to show you up, I'm saying that so u can enjoy cougar games wherever you go now too. And good question...who gives a rip?

Provo, UT

I'm sorry Utes but playing tough games is not going to win you a National Champion, its actually winning them!

Cletus from Coalville
Coalville, UT

Every football fan in american knows we are in the Pac 12 and that we keep losing but no worry we will still get recruits despite are record because we are in a bcs.

Go Utes!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA


"Every" college football fan doesn't know that Utah is in the PAC 12, nor does "every" fan know BYU is an independent. As far as SEC fans go; the most over rated conference in the country. Florida hasn't played a non-conference out of state game since 1991. The PAC 12 is stronger than the SEC this year, the non-conference records speak for them self. SEC fans don't even know the war is over.

Cheyenne, WY

@ Chris B
that running back you quote so often.
Chose BYU over Utah
He had offers from both.
And Oregon for that matter.

West Point , UT

You're right not everyone knows about BYU either...that wasn't my point. I was pointing out what's obvious to everyone except Chris B.

I'm also not going to argue conference strength with you...I will let the SEC's dominance of CFB for nearly a decade speak for itself. Until another conference proves otherwise, the SEC is the true conference of champions when it comes to CFB.

Orem, UT

Spokane Ute

Remind us how many BCS championships the "most over-rated conference in the country" has won, and how many the "conference of champions" has won.

BCS Championships
SEC 9 (including 7 in a row)

The SEC is 9-1 in BCS Championships games; their only loss - when Alabama beat LSU in 2011.

Utah fans embarrass themselves with their hyperbole.

Riverton, UT

Wouldn't it be interesting if BYT and Utah ended up playing each other in a bowl game? I suppose the possibility is there, albeit not likely to happen.

Hyrum, UT

It's very notable that some of the more hardcore Utah fans were bragging unendingly in the pre and early season about their conference affiliation and how wonderful it was to have such an impressive schedule coming up.

Now what we're mostly hearing from those same fans is complaints about how tough their schedule is. Some are even trying to deflect to only their non-conference games and hoping we'll all forget all the great conference games. Actually, there was one of those.

@ TFUDD: The only reason some BYU fans are getting on some Ute commenters is because they earlier endured all those braggings about how great it was to be in a powerhouse conference. And now those same Ute commenters are complaining about how tough their conference schedule is and using it as an excuse for losing. Can't have it both ways.

FYI: Besides conference leading Texas, BYU also gave Houston it's only loss of the year. Both are ranked significantly better than Utah in all the current national polls, while BYU is ranked better than all 3 of them... Strength of schedule included.

@ Spokane Ute: Any bowl game is better than no bowl game.

Big R
Danville, CA

I feel badly that the fans aren't getting more accurate information. USC played at Hawaii and will play 13 games this year so they need 7 wins not 6 and must win 2 more games to be bowl eligible. Not a big deal, but if the sports reporters don't understand things like this, how can the average fan get educated?

Hyrum, UT

@ Chris B:

Some people never seem to learn and are therefore considered lost causes. Things are now going so bad for the Utes and so good for BYU that you are going back to comments you made 2 months ago... that didn't even make any sense at that time. That last comment of yours had nothing to do with the subject matter of the article. Unfortunately, it seems to have cost you what little credibility you had regarding local college football. Please think about how your thoughts will read to others before writing and submitting them.

Anyone who watches ESPN and/or any of the BYU football games knows without question that BYU is one of the better-known programs in national college football. Stadiums are sold out wherever BYU plays across the country. Literally all national pollsters, including coaches in the AP Coaches poll vote for BYU much more often than they do for Utah... thus BYU is ranked much higher in all current polls which yes, do include strength of schedule factored in.

Don't take it personally that BYU, though starting slowly, is able to finish their seasons strongly... just opposite of Utah.

Hyrum, UT

@ Chris B:

FYI: Other than a few ardent fans of the specific PAC12 programs, the only other demographic who realizes Utah is in the conference are the trivia buffs who talk about who the cellar dwellers are in each conference. Sad, but true. Utah can change that by starting to win conference games on a consistent basis. But so far that hasn't happened.
That's not BYU fault. You should quit taking out your frustrations on them. I know it's grates on you that BYU is currently ranked double digits higher than Utah in literally every national poll. But until Utah starts showing up for their conference games, it's just something you're going to have to live with.

Finding a quote of a single solitary inner-city teenage football player who wasn't previously familiar with BYU doesn't help your cause at all. It only makes you look desperate. BTW... that teenager, after learning about BYU, chose to go there above any PAC12 school. That leaves your quote without purpose.

Don't give up, Chris. Even though BYU is already signed to a bowl game, it's still possible for Utah this year.

Mr. Plate
Lindon, UT

@Spokane Ute - you say "the non-conference records speak for them self."

Yeah, those Pac 12 victories against Hawaii, Southern Utah, Idaho, Army, San Jose State, Illinois, Idaho State, Northerna Arizona, UNLV, UTSA, Portland State, Nicholls State, Virginia, Colorado State, Central Arkansas, Charleston Southern, Eastern Washington, Sacramento State, New Mexico State, Weber State, etc. really speaks for itself! Pac 12 teams are great because they beat up on patsies in pre-conference play, then go into their conference schedule talking like they've beaten the world. Between all 12 schools, they played about 8 games against top-level teams in their pre-conference schedules, and lost half of those games. And that's if you count Notre Dame as a top-level team.

SEC teams do the same, but like has been mentioned above, the SEC teams then proceed to dominate the BCS championship games.

Everyone in the Pac-12 is overrated, except Oregon.

Provo, UT

I'm glad Jamal chose to play with a Division II team rather than going to the doormat of the Pac12!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA


I got ya. Always appreciate the back and forth with you. You are a straight shooter, no doubt about it.


I'm talking about this year. Look at non conference wins, non conference win against BCS (BYU and Notre Dame too) schools. Look at Wash St @ Auburn and Tenn @ Oregon. Then get back to me. The SEC plays 8 conference games, vs. the PAC 12's 9. The SEC plays patsies in the non-conference. Look at head to head; PAC 12 vs. SEC over the last 5 and 10 years. Not much difference. You do realize Colorado split with Georgia don't you? How many of those BCS championships came against a PAC 12 foe? One.


Agreed. A bowl gives a team more practices, helps in recruiting and pads the check book. I would settle for the New Mexico Bowl; sad but true, but it's not gonna happen if the offense doesn't get it's act together.

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