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Published: Sunday, Oct. 27 2013 5:15 p.m. MDT

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Kakashi
Tokyo, Japan

I like Hayward's game a lot...it doesnt scream superstar...but being pesky on D...being able to shoot and pass and making teammates involve...not being a me first player...is good...However....i won't pay him huge bucks...7-9M range should do....why? he hasn't been as efficient during the pre-season...plus a number of teams would probably look to overpay him...so if the Jazz waited for free agency...im not sure they'll be able to match...the guy right now is a solid 2nd or 3rd option...this year is his year to prove that he can be an all-star and that's a lot of pressure...and i think during the pre-season...he tried to do a little too much...instead of letting the game come to him...if the Jazz signed him...great...if not...there's always wiggins and/or Jabari Parker...and Alec burks could move up to number 2...and i have this weird feeling...that Neto would eventually be better than Trey Burke...

Kakashi
Tokyo, Japan

hmmmm....now that i think of it...i would've offered a 5-7M range...9M is too much....

Americanvet
Ivins, UT

If the Jazz are offering Hayward more than Favors deal as reported, and yet they are still far apart, how much does Hayward think he is worth? He is good but I thought he was more the simple country boy type and here he is acting like a selfish rock star. Show a little loyalty Hayward and work with the Jazz to get this deal done. It's frustrating to see these NBA players hold their teams for ransom, and especially the small market teams because everyone wants to play in the big city. Kirilenko left a ton of money sitting on the table to play for the Nets this year so he could play in the bright lights and try to win a championship for himself. Meanwhile Minnesota now has a more difficult time building their team because an important piece wanted to play in a big market. It's just frustrating, and I hoped Hayward had a little more class than that.

goforit
Provo, UT

I am sure he is looking for the same deal as Indiana gave George. He isn't close to being a max player. I'm sure he would want to be in Boston with his college coach. Trade him and let Boston overpay.

fortydam
OREM, UT

You guys are right on! Unless Hayward can prove he can hit the mid jumper that he's missed for two seasons, he isn't worth what he thinks. I thought this guy was different.

scodyshootfight
KC, MO

Come on Lindsey, PLEASE don't pay this kid. I agree that he should not get more than 7-9 million. Teams are bad when they sign these average and inconsistent players to huge deals when they've never proved they can put a team on their back and lead them into the post season.

barakoboi
Layton, UT

He is a good player but he is not going to blossom as a superstar! he's playing for the wrong coach. Too bad Paul George blossom into a superstar ahead of Hayward.

Hugh G. Hater
Swat Lake City, UT

Let him go. He has shown us that he is NOT worth big money.

coleman51
Orem, UT

I generally agree with the comments above. However, my concern about Hayward is not on the offensive end of the court. While one can question his ability to penetrate the lane and his consistency in shooting, I think the biggest liability for Hayward is his defensive game. He offers virtually nothing in stopping larger players (which in this league there are a lot of them) and isn't really fast enough to be a perimeter defender. Hayward gets a lot of hustle point to his credit, but there are too many players in this league that are bigger and quicker for him to receive and "elite" contract. I would be generous and give him $30 million but a contract above Favors who is an elite athlete would be asking way too much for his skill set. Another scenario that could play out is for the Jazz to receive a top five draft pick this season and pick a small forward that could more than make up anything we lose with having Hayward leave. He also provides us with some high quality trade options as well.

gehelmke
Bastrop, TX

Interesting comments here....Here are a fews comments on the comments:

There's a lot more to the game of basketball than making shots; and though Hayward makes his share, his areas of expertise are passing, running the floor, and defense.

If the Jazz choose to let this negotiation go to restricted free agency, they can kiss Hayward goodbye, because they'll never match the offers the kid will get.

Finally, and most important....Hayward isn't negotiating anything. He's just playing basketball...He has an agent like all the pros have. The agent determines what he thinks the player is worth, and he is the one who negotiates....There's is no place here for questions like "how much does Hayward think he is worth>"

USNGary
San Diego, CA

He lost too many games last year with late game turnovers. NOT worth the money. Let him play the season and then make an offer.

Americanvet
Ivins, UT

Are we going to see a new Toyota dealership show up on Auto Mall Road? Comer get your next Tundra at Gordon Hayward Toyota! You'll find us right next to Karl Malone Toyota and a block away from Stoctkton Honda in Sandy.

Cougar11
Highland, UT

I love this kids game. I also think he is a solid team-mate, good club-house guy etc. However, you can't pay him more than Favors. Favors will be more valuable to our success and deserved the risk taken by management. Haywood is not as good as George and even if he is and an argument can be made that he is, why should the Jazz make the same mistake as Indiana and drastically overpay? We got ourselves in trouble worrying about matching offers and losing above average players during the last 8 years. We need financial flexbility to build a champtionship caliber team in a small market like SLC. Let's build inside out and if Hayward is going to be part of it then he needs to do it at $10M or less a season. If not, send him to Boston now and let's get some draft picks and a player or two. My goodness kid, how much money does a single guy need? You have a while before you pull the "I need to feed my family" card.

joe5
South Jordan, UT

So it seems my worst projections are already starting to prove themselves. The Jazz are locking themselves into Clipper and Bobcat mode, perpetually building but never getting there. They're well on their way of establishing a losing culture. And who wants to play for a team with a losing culture? Nobody.

I laugh at the comments about Hayward's loyalty. Why should he be loyal to a team that guarantees he won't win a title and virtually guarantees he won't make the playoffs? Who wants to get beat 50-60 nights a year? Maybe if the Jazz were loyal to Hayward by fielding a competitive team, Hayward would return that loyalty.

Several times during the summer, I offered to bet $1000 that the Jazz would not appear in the NBA finals while Hayward and Favors were still on the team. And this was one of my primary arguments. Losing culture does not retain good players. By the way, nobody was willing to accept my bet, even the most outspoken in support of the Jazz' current direction.

BTW, those saying not to pay Hayward eight figures know very little about basketball.

JP
Chandler, AZ

He hasn't been doing as well in the Starcraft tourneys of late.

klepsydra
Longmont, CO

First Paul George is over-payed. He shouldn't have gotten that much money, and Hayward should not either. I highly doubt that the negotiations are that far apart however. From looking at other contracts around the league, Hayward is clearly worth around $12M per year, $14M is too much. The $7-9 that fans are hoping for is just not going to happen. Hayward is already better than that and there is a huge market for him.

Harden $13.7 (a bargain)
Josh Smith $13.5
Ben Gordon $13.2
Andre Igoudala $12.8
Hedo Turkoglu $12
Nicolas Batum $11.2
Richard Jefferson $11
Danilo Gallinari $10
Geral Wallace $10
Stephan Jackson $10
DeMar DeRozan $9.5

Americanvet
Ivins, UT

@joe5
"why should Hayward be loyal to a team that guarantees he won't win a title". That's ridiculous. No team can guarantee a player that they will win a title and the fact is most players in the league play their whole career without ever being on a team that wins a title. You say the Jazz should be loyal to Hayward by trying to field a competitive team and that is exactly what they are trying to do. It is hard to build a competitive team however when the young players you're trying to build around are holding you for ransom and demanding more than they are worth. If Hayward would except a reasonable salary, and were talking about millions of dollars a year, that would leave the Jazz the flexibility to add the players to build a competitive team. Plus, the Jazz took Hayward 9th in the draft which was higher than he was expected to go. That rewarded him a bigger salary right from his rookie year because the Jazz were willing to take a chance on him. I still ask, where is Hayward's loyalty to the team that drafted him?

joe5
South Jordan, UT

Americanvet: There is a world of difference between "not being able to guarantee a player will win a title" and "guaranteeing he won't win a title." I really hope you can see that. I agree that nobody can guarantee a player can win a title but there are a lot of teams that can guarantee that their players will not win a title. And there are a handful that can guarantee their teams won't make the playoffs. Bobcats are one of those. This year the Jazz are one of those.

That "losing culture" is insidious. A team can fool itself into thinking it is rebuilding and then five years down the road discover that good players, if they can get them through the draft or trade, will find a way out as soon as possible. At that point, it is almost impossible to pull yourself out of the hole you dug yourself into.

Jazz Source
Alpine, UT

re:Coleman51

What player are you watching? Haywards defense is better than most. Do you realize his block % is just minimally below LeBron James statistically? His chase down blocks from behind are a thing of beauty. Offensively IS where he lacks. I don't believe he will be the guy who can carry "the load" every night. He is however a very good well-rounded player who will get big money.

All that being said everyone needs to remember. The NBA is filled with bad GMs who constantly overpay for players and the market is not necessarily what a player is worth but rather what some fool will pay and there are always a few willing to ruin the scale and overpay.

Ultimately that makes Hayward likely to get more than he is truly worth. Whether the Jazz can successfully manage that down to a livable amount remains to be seen.

Hayward has no swagger or a superstars confidence. He will never be "the guy". He is a 2nd/3rd player option you would love to have however he is not Paul George but his agents job is to extract every dime he can.

Tick-tock.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@Americanvet

"I still ask, where is Hayward's loyalty to the team that drafted him?"

Let me ask, are you still working for the same organization that gave you your first job? If not, then where is your loyalty to the team that drafted you?

Bottom line is we all move on. And if the Jazz don't want Hayward to move on, they're going to have to overpay him. That's what happens when you have the league's worst ownership, worst fans, and you're in a city/state NBA players don't want to live in.

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