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  • MountainMan25 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    “This conference has gotten so much better over the last three years and I believe we’ve gotten better,” he said. “Maybe the conference as a whole has gotten better, relatively speaking, than maybe we have.”

    Seriously Whit? Lame excuse. "We are improving, but everyone else is improving too (at a better rate than us, but still)."

    Utah is 1-4 in the PAC 12. The PAC 12 isn't that good. We have three years of PAC 12 recruits, we have strong facilities, we are running out of excuses. Did any other Ute fans expect to be 1-4 in our third year? I've been patient, but this is a joke.

    "I'd rather lose to the U every year and still end up in the area of 9-3, 8-4 and still have something to look forward to in December, instead of having it the other way around."

    I agree. What is the point of beating BYU, sucking in the PAC 12, then sitting at home during bowl season? And those BYU wins are starting to look like upsets, given our showing in conference play...

    Whit needs the boot.

  • Gone fishin PAC Country, WA
    Oct. 31, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    Tom in Ca,
    You hit the nail directly on the head. Utah's recruiting will tank next year and they will have to rely on their 12 star players to get their 4 wins. BYU, however will be able to pick up some good players in southern California as they WILL be bowling n the area. Plus the kids can play on NATIONAL TV every week and not some hard-to-find network in the pac.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    @Uteology
    I do see the difference 1 more win for the Y in the BIG 5
    and the two lossed to the two worst of the Big 5 teams

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute
    I respect your comments but BYU needs a little respect
    They could have taken money and played on Sundays.
    They probably will have an opportunity again.
    But they stand by what they believe and that garners respect.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 30, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    @ uteology
    Do you get paid to analyze football?
    the pollsters do.
    BYU lost to two of the 4 worst teams they have played.
    I am going to stick with the experts not fans.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    Jarka-rus

    Sorry, but when you dictate what days you will and will not play, a major conference won't take you. I could see them joining a conference again, but it would be more like the WAC (WCC in basketball). No BCS conference is going to entertain their demands. Look on the bright side though, I spelled your name right! Take Care.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Against Big 5 teams you are 2-2, those teams have a combined record of 16-15.

    For a comparison, in our first 4 games we were 1-3, a combined record of 23-7."

    It's hilarious how you cherry pick your stats and still end up comparing apples to oranges.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:53 p.m.

    Uteology

    When the overall results don't fit your crimson-colored vision of reality, dive into the minutia and pretend that individual details are really what it's all about.

    No wonder the Utes have only won six conference titles in the last half century, and only have six double-digit win seasons and five AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history. In order to achieve those lofty achievements, you actually have to have sustained success over an entire season, not for just a couple of games against a carefully defined subset of teams.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    Uteology

    LOL at the disjointed comparisons you have to invent so you can sleep at night.

    BYU is 6-2 versus FBS teams; Utah is only 3-4.

    Overall:

    Against BCS teams, Bronco is 15-15 (50%); Kyle is 21-20 (51%)

    Against PAC teams, Bronco is 9-8 (53%); Kyle is 12-18 (40%)

    Despite your frantic and emotional spin, it's quite obvious which coach has been more successful against PAC teams.

    In the USA Today, CBS Sports, Sagarin, and BCS rankings,

    BYU's average ranking is: 26.75
    Utah's average ranking is: 47.25

    See the difference? I am sure you don't.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    @utesby5

    Currently BYU has a 6-2 record with an SOS of 21 whereas utah has a 4-4 record with an sos of 5. Now you seem to believe the utah's sos of 5 is legit and want to use it as part of your excuse for their lackluster 4-4 record. But if that is true then you have to also believe that BYU's 21st ranked sos is also legit and that a 6-2 record against that highly ranked sos is pretty good.

    On the other hand I did look at last years sos and found utah's to be ranked 41st, substantially lower than the 21st BYU currently has. Yet utah only put up a 5-7 record against the mid tier 41st ranked schedule whereas BYU has put up a 6-2 record against the upper tier 21st ranked schedule.

    So please use your utah "fan" "logic" and tell us why utah's 41st ranked sos and inferior record is somehow superior to BYU's 21st ranked schedule and superior record?

    I'll take any logical explanation with respect.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    BeSmart

    Cheyenne, WY

    Well according to the experts Sagarin, Coaches, AP.
    BYU would be ranked 6th in the Pac-12
    The experts have Utah at 10th, right where they are.
    Maybe the experts are right.
    lol too easy.

    -------------

    Against Big 5 teams you are 2-2, those teams have a combined record of 16-15.

    For a comparison, in our first 4 games we were 1-3, a combined record of 23-7.

    See the difference? I am sure you don't.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    @Spokaneutsies
    so you're spelling my username correctly then I guess? whatever. The Utes can stay in the PAc basement and if that makes you happy then I'm happy too. You must know the future since you think Byu won't ever be affiliated with a conference ever again. Like nothing will ever change in College football ever again.

  • utesgoingdownthehill Salt Lake City , UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Success of BYU is not based in Utah game where as I can't say same thing other way around. This is my opinion based on Utah fans bragging comments

  • utesgoingdownthehill Salt Lake City , UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    Chris B,
    @Chris B
    Forget about inviting BYU to Pac-12.
    IMAGINE Utah going independent and having a schedule like
    BYU. Not even in your dreams can Utah do what BYU is doing as independent. The only games you will get is Stevens Henager and Eagle gate college if you were to go independent and the only media contract you will get is Deseret news.

    BYU has been way successful than what Utah has done in PAC-12. It doesn't matter if you are in BCS bowl if you cant' even win games. Utah is so irrelevant in PAC-12 that most of national viewer still refer PAC-12 as PAC-10.

  • pak12thdurmaatt Salt Lake City , UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    Chris B,

    Utah is better than BYU and USU? But still the PAC 12th door mat. Bo Didly tech even for 3rd string USC.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Well according to the experts Sagarin, Coaches, AP.
    BYU would be ranked 6th in the Pac-12
    The experts have Utah at 10th, right where they are.
    Maybe the experts are right.
    lol too easy.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    We see just how big of a difference there is between WAC teams like byu and usu and the Pac 12.

    Utah owns byu and Utah owns usu. byu and usu then like to beat their chests about beating up on a bunch of nobodies.

    If byu and usu can't beat Utah, and Utah struggles in the Pac 12, I truly wonder if byu/usu would win a single Pac 12 game.

    After all, they can't beat Utah. So who would they beat?

    I'd take Colorado probably over them.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    @atrix

    "Say what you want about Utah beating BYU but in the end BYU is the better team."

    LOL If byu was the better team then they wouldn't have lost four straight and nine of 12 head to head games. Utah is a better team playing a tougher schedule. Check recruiting scores. Check number of NFL players from each program (Utes have almost 4 times more NFL players).

    Congratulations on your 9th straight bowl game coming up. Utah had nine in row and has played nine out of the last ten years, winning eight (including two BCS bowl games).

    Top 25 finishes? Again, look at the last two years schedules. If you would rather play a soft schedule and win more games, thus receiving more votes, you are cheering for the right program. If you want to play in a power conference and have a tougher time making a bowl game, cheer for the Utes. Although frustrating, I'd much rather be playing in the PAC-12.

    Save your postcard, the Kraft Fights Hunger bowl isn't anything to brag about.

  • Atrix Vancouver, WA
    Oct. 28, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    Say what you want about Utah beating BYU but in the end BYU is the better team. Andy Roddick once lost in the first round of the US Open 1 year after winning it all. An undefeated Patriots lost in the Super Bowl to 6 loss Giants team. Heck, the Jazz beat the Heat last year. Is Eastern Washington better than Oregon State because they beat them? If so..then they should be playing Oregon for the PAC-12 Championship. Point is upsets happen. What matters are the Final Standings. Heat lost to the Jazz last year but were named NBA champions. BYU lost to Utah but will finish in the nations Top 25 and go bowling for the 9th straight year. Utah may have gotten a few lucky wins but the end result shows true blood. Bottom of the Pac and no bowl game. I'll send a postcard from SF in December.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 8:50 p.m.

    After reading the negative posts of Utah haters, it's very apparent that some cougar "fans" would rather see Utah struggle rather than see their own team win. What other explanation is there for their continued negativity on Utah articles? Unless you are Notre Dame, after your first loss, the season is over. Is it then jealousy takes over and your focus shifts to Utah?

    The PAC-12 is a very strong league, rated second best in the country. Utah is getting faster, stronger and deeper but they still have a ways to go. Will they get there, yes. Even a USC team with several injuries(Utah has several key injuries too) is stronger than most teams in the country. They only recruit the cream of the crop across the country. Any knowledgeable sports fan knows that USC always has a top five recruiting class.

    To address a previous comment regarding byu being brought up continually, the only Utah fan bringing up byu is Chris B. All other comments are in response to negative byu posts.

    Go Utes

  • Blues Portland, OR
    Oct. 28, 2013 8:35 p.m.

    @DaveKnowsWhatsUp: If BYU had to earn a bowl, they would also have plenty of time off at the end of the year. I see you just landed the 2015 Poinsettia Bowl! You must have had a great season back in 2015, to earn that post-season position - oh wait, this is only 2013 ... you mean post-season games aren't about who is best, but only who can fill a stadium? Oh, now we all know what's up.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 28, 2013 4:54 p.m.

    Just imagine how big of a blow this game was to the utah recruiting in So Cal. Bad. It won't be any better after the ASU game.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 28, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    Jackarus

    Maybe so, but if BYU falters down the stretch I won't rub it in. That's the difference between me and you. I don't troll BYU threads, nor rank on them over, and over again. There's a term for that, which I will leave to your imagination. I try to keep my comments constructive when I do comment on BYU; though at times I have strayed. Have a good evening. Also, don't recall playing any name games but what ever floats your boat.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    I heard Utah is going bowling. They have been invited to Miracle Bowl bowling alley in West Valley. That should be a nice place to enjoy they holidays.

    That Duckhunter guy hit the nail on the head when he talked about the "fans". When they keep being the pac12 doormat year after year, the "prestige" (lol at that term) will wear off and the kids wearing utah gear will start being ridiculed once again. The local DI will fill up with ute gear once again. The die hard true fans will remember the good old days in the MWC when Utah could make a decent run once every few years. Now what do they have to look forward to? You can't get the games on tv unless you have the obscure pac12 channel which not many do. Are they ever going to have a game on ESPN now that they quit playing BYU?

    It is a fine mess they have gotten themselves into.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    @christina

    Why do you post the same exact things over and over again? Are you that proud of what you have to say the you post it countless times?

    What I think is hilarious is that the 2013 ute seniors will probably go bowless and have a losing record for the second straight time.

    LOL!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 28, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    Quack.........Did some one say something?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 28, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    Can the utes beat Washington State, and Colorado?

    There's the success of this season.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    @Spokaneutesie
    ah you've never read a Terry Brooks novel have you? then you'ld understand my user name, but who cares? you played the name game first, So now you can hang your hat on the season by the money you get from bowl pay outs "other" teams go to? well guess you have to root for someone on New years day when your team is sitting home.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    I love it! Beeting really good bad teams has kept us really good.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    I'm sure you are going to continue to toe the company line on this and keep saying you'd rather be in the pac12 and a constant loser, than in the mtn west and be a winner. I think you might even believe it at this point. I'm not so sure you'll continue to feel that way with time.

    utah is going to have a good pac12 season some year, it will happen, who knows when it will be but someday it will happen. But for the forseeable future it will not and just trying to get to 6 wins is going to be utah's yearly struggle.

    I'm of the opinion that a large number of utah "fans" will fade away over the next several years as reality hits them and they realize this sort of season is the norm, not the exception. The good year will be the exception.

    That said the one company line you need to drop is the one about utah getting more money no matter how they do. So what? Who cares? None of us gets that money, we only care about wins and losses.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 28, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    @ Jackarus

    Actully, it's Spokane Ute. No need to play the name game, especially with your screen name. The pay out is so small, it barely covers the traveling cost. Utah get's more when the PAC 12 cuts up the Bowl pay out pie, then BYU gets for going on it's own. That is one of the dis-advantages that BYU has as an independent. That, and being pigeon holed in to the same type of bowl every year. Make no mistake though, At this point, I would settle for any bowl; and If Utah continues to play like it has the last two weeks? There will be no bowl for Utah. The offense looks pathetic!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    @SpokaneUtesie
    Well I'ld take going to a bowl even if its the same one, still get paid rather then staying home.

  • Alterego Harrisville, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    Stanford looks at the loss at Utah and shakes its collective head just like BYU looks at its loss at Virginia.

    The losses will continue to mount up. Utah doesn't go bowling anymore.

  • Fight On! St George, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    Chris B

    It will be hilarious to read your comments next season when you don't have a BYU win to hang your hat on. Fact is you can win 10 in a row over your rival, but that won't make you any less of a joke or any more relevant in the PAC-12. If a completely depleted USC team can take your Utes to the woodshed with it's 3rd stringers playing & less than 48 uninjured scholarship athletes , what hope do you have to compete with the upper half of the conference? I will give credit for your win vs Stanford, but if that game was on the road the Utes would have been dismantled.

    Utah's lone remaining win will be Colorado.
    Mark that down!

  • Kenster72 Fresno, CA
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    Using Chris B logic Eastern Washington would dominate the u. They Beat Oregon st. Who inturn beat the u.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    Chris,

    It's time to face the facts. Utah is irrelevant this year and will be lucky to win one more game. Utah was the better team in September but that's not what matters. What does matter is how you finish. The reason Utah isn't winning any of their games right now is due to a lack of offense. BYU would beat Arizona, USC, Washington State, Colorado, and Washington. They would lose to Oregon, Stanford, and UCLA. Oregon State and Arizona State would be a toss up.

  • 40. cal West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    disappointing note? I would not say disappointing i would say exciting!

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Chris....be happy with your prestige....cause that is all you got.

    The sad thing is....your Utes couldn't beat my Trojans...even with only 52 scholarship players available for the Saturdays game.....

    Hey at least you can depend on the PAC-10 schools building new weight rooms, practice facilities, and academic buildings for you!

    GO Trojans!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    @Jack arus

    Personally, I would rather play in the PAC 12, against the best and the chips fall where they may. Then to be a nomad, with no conference affiliation, no chance of playing in differen't bowl games, and no chance of beating my rival. What's it like to know if you win 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 games, against an average schedule, you still end up in the same bowl?

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    The saddest part about this whole line of comments is that Utah fans are the first to bring BYU into the conversation. Is that really necessary? No one was defending themselves against a BYU poster but you anticipated it and brought them in all on your own.
    I'd love to see both BYU and Utah be successful with their respective schedules. BYU fans should want Utah to do well to make their loss to them not look so bad-- thanks for the Stanford win, it helps. Utah fans should want BYU to win so their win looks even better-- you're welcome.
    Some Ute fans have been calling for Wilson's head. He's got great potential and just needs to get his hand healed. Maybe this bye week will do the trick. For me, the biggest problem is that the coaching staff didn't learn their lesson with the Wynn/Hayes fiasco and bring in a JC transfer or otherwise ready to go backup. If Shultz can't do it, who can? Every D-1 team has to be prepared for injuries.

  • Fight On! St George, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Chris B

    It will be hilarious to read your comments next season when you don't have a BYU win to hang your hat on. Fact is you can win 10 in a row over your rival, but that won't make you any less of a joke or any more relevant in the PAC-12. If a completely depleted USC team can take your Utes to the woodshed with it's 3rd stringers playing & less than 48 uninjured scholarship athletes , what hope do you have to compete with the upper half of the conference? I will give credit for your win vs Stanford, but if that game was on the road the Utes would have been dismantled.

    Utah's lone remaining win will be Colorado.
    Mark that down!

    Fight On!

  • dallas realist rockwall, texas
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    All Utah needs is a good QB. They have the talent and speed at every other position.

    Think how good the MTN West would be if TCU UTAH and BYU would have stayed. What could have been.. .

    Now Utah and TCU are Bottom dwellers and BYU is playing for nothing every week.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Give credit where credit is due.
    BYU is 6-2 with the 21st ranked schedule (probably the best record a school from Utah has had against this tough of schedule)
    9 out of 12 teams BYU will/ or has played will play in a bowl (10 if you include Utah)
    Houston, Texas, and Wisconsin could end up in BCS bowl games this year.
    No offense BYU has lost to 2 of the worse opponents this year.
    BYU victories (sagarin rankings) Texas-22, GT-33, BSU-38, Houston 40, Utah State 41, MTSU 110
    Utah victories Stanford-7, BYU,24, Utah State 40, Weber 211.
    BYU losses Virginia-86 Utah 39
    Utah losses OSU-34, UCLA 17, USC 31, Arizona 30.
    Looking at those rankings BYU has some good victories, and so does Utah.

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    Chris B, yeah yeah scoreboard. I got it. However, it's getting to be a real stretch to say BYU is worse. I just checked the newest rankings and BYU has cracked the top 30...and the U is no longer anywhere to be seen on the others receiving votes list. I've said all along, over and over, that BYU's season is more than one game. I can't stand watching my team lose to the U, I really can't. However, I'd rather lose to the U every year and still end up in the area of 9-3, 8-4 and still have something to look forward to in December, instead of having it the other way around. The success of BYU's season is not based on the Utah game. Enjoy this week off, and not having to stress about a game. It should be good practice for the end of the season

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    With byu being incapable of beating Utah, and Utah being in the lower half of the conference(even with the best win any team in the state of Utah has had since 2008 Sugar Bowl over Alabama and a better win than byu has had in over a decade), would byu win a single game if we were to invite them to the Pac 12?

    And no, we wont.

    But seriously, if byu can't beat Utah, and Utah loses to most Pac 12 teams, who would byu beat?

    I'd take Colorado over byu.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    As "bad" as Utah is, byu and usu are worse!

    Scoreboard!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    jarka-rus,

    Its more important to be good in the Pac 12.

    But beating our indy/WAC brother just shows how big of a gap there is between MWC/WAC/indy-WAC teams and the Pac 12.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    This is going to be a Long week off for the Utes. Mark it down!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    So which it it Ute fans? is it more important to be in the mighty Pac and actually win games, or to beat an independent by one touchdown thanks to very fortunate calls.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 28, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    "Dissapointing" is an understatement. The last two games have felt like a punch in the stomach.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 28, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    Sports is living out our wish of being strong athletes through the play of others.

    I guess that's why some get so emotional about it.

    Basically it's fun, and entertainment.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Oct. 28, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    Someone posted on a recent DNews list of the U's top 10 wins that the Stanford win was the greatest win in U's history. That historical win somehow became a watershed win for turning the rest of the season into a bust. We're going downhill faster than Ted Ligety!

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 28, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    Maybe it's time to tell the Emperor that he has no clothes. Seriously, Utah and TCU were top-10 teams as recently as 5 years ago. Now they are totally irrelevant. The big fish in the little pond had it pretty good.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Silent Lurker

    Glad to see your old wac mentality showing again. The ute season is a success if they beat BYU. What happens next year and the year after, when you know long have your bowl game scheduled in Sept? Pac ten doormats. Washington State and Colorado are glad your in the pac ten.

  • Frankenberry Saint George, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    @Ironmomo: Don't know. I wasn't there.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 7:23 a.m.

    We give lots of offense at byu because we win them every year and we will win the rest of our teams with enough offense to win so no worry because we are bcs.

    Go Utes!

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 7:22 a.m.

    Time to remind the BYU fans commenting on this article that Utah still owns U and it's four in a row with three years to go!

  • Ironmomo Ogden, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    @Frankenberry

    "No offense meant"....isn't that what Whittingham told USC's coach Ed Orgeron when they shook hands after the game?

  • Frankenberry Saint George, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 8:46 p.m.

    A week off? They're going to need it. No offense meant.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Oct. 27, 2013 8:16 p.m.

    The prestige is quickly wearing off.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    Chase Hansen has another year left on his mission, maybe his return will offer a spark on offense... that is if he chooses to return to utah.