Yes, it seems that QB issues are back. Let's review: Wilson 5 touch down
throws and 11 picks so far this year. Ranks among the worst in the country.
Hill on the other hand started slow but is now ranked 6th nationally with 357
yards per game.Which would you rather have?
Duckhunter,I went to the article you referenced and confirmed that I
did not post anything on that story.However, you and Naval Vet were
having an exchange on the QB topic.
Duckhunter, I won't argue with you on that. Wilson has "trended
down" the last couple weeks, and Hill (see how I can actually capitalize an
opposing player's name? Neat, huh?!) has "trended up." Hill's
accuracy has improved, which I admit was somewhat of a surprise to me, you
don't typically see that occur in the middle of a season. Conversely, you
don't typically see guys' accuracy deteriorate in the middle of a
season, barring injury (Brett Favre's year in New York playing the second
half of the year with a torn biceps tendon in his throwing arm comes to mind),
and I think that's what's going on with Wilson. I don't think
Hill's improvement makes him a great QB, just not the awful one that he
started the season out as. I don't watch every BYU game, or even all of the
ones I do see, but the ones I have, I've still seen him make some
head-scratching decisions. And Wilson obviously has, too, the difference was
with a healthy hand he could squeeze passes into places he can't now, and
is really paying for it.
@stgThat was clever and funny but you know as well as I do that
seasons are judged on the whole, not on one week, or a couple of weeks at the
beggining. Earlier in the season wilson was playing better than Hill and utah
was playing better than BYU. No argument from me on that as they are facts. But
now Hill is playing better than wilson and BYU is playing better than utah, and
no one can reasonably argue otherwise. Does that make BYU better
than utah or Hill better than wilson? At this point I'd say yes but that
could change again no doubt. We'll have to wait until the season is over to
get a definitive answer to those questions. Yes I know there are
extenuating circumstances for utah right now, but there were extenuating
circumstances for BYU two months ago. Things change and at this point BYU and
Hill are playing much better than utah and wilson, they're better right
now. Now I'm not one of the "let's play again"
guys, utah beat BYU, but that was one game one week, the season encompasses more
than that week and game.
@u90I already told you exaxtly where you can find it, the name of
the article here in the dnews, the date the article was printed, the auther of
the article, everything you need to look the article up for yourself. The dnews
does not allow links as you know so I cannot provide you with one of those, but
with all the info I gave you all you have to do is go to the search function
right at the top of this page and you can find the article with the exact quotes
in under a minute.And of course I am on a utah article, I have
already posted why I am here, the same reason you go to BYU articles, but you
see I don't complain about you going to BYU articles so I'm not the
hypocrite here. Take a look in the mirror.
skywalker, yeah you tell him. Everyone knows the season really started September
U 90"Over the past few games it does appear that Hill is playing
much better than Wilson, although for the year Hill still has a lower rating
(134 vs. 123) so you would be hard pressed to convince too many people outside
of Provo of Hill's overall dominance."Don't kid
yourself; how many national player of the week awards has Wilson won.If you think a 157.11 to 110.61 difference in rating over the last 5 games is
insignificant, you need to take off the crimson-colored glasses and see
reality.Taysom has improved significantly since the Utah game.
Travis has been steadily falling apart since the BYU game.Last 5
GamesTaysom - 106 of 162 (65.4%), 1455 yds, 11 TDs, 5 ints, 157.11 rating,
441 rushing, 4 TDsTravis - 77 of 136 (56.6%), 861 yds, 7 TDs, 11 ints,
110.61 rating, 98 rushing, 0 TDsThe nation watched Taysom's
performance versus Boise State and Travis's performance versus USC and
frankly, they weren't even close. Taysom has dominated Travis the last 5
@ duckhunter "...if utah "fans" like yourself weren't
constantly trying to cut on BYU"Says the BYU fan on the Utah
boards dishing out insults. You do realize that you are just the blue version
of Chris B, right? Our exchanges duck are when you come on a Ute
article to dish out insults, and then I point out the hypocrisy in your post...
it's really rather simple. I can't believe you haven't caught on
Uteanymous, Over the past few games it does appear that Hill is playing much
better than Wilson, although for the year Hill still has a lower rating (134 vs.
123) so you would be hard pressed to convince too many people outside of Provo
of Hill's overall dominance. It will be interesting to see if Wilson can
pull it together after his hand heals.Duckhunter, I will own up to
everything I've said. However I think you are confusing me with someone
else, I do not recall this exchange on Whit's comments re: Wilson &
Shulz. You're good at digging up old posts, work your magic again, find
the post. If I said it I will own it. I still think it's funny that you
rag on Whit for calling his QBs upper echelon when your own coach assumed his
team was upper echelon enough to Quest for Perfection only to have Utes show how
it's done. A little hypocritical on your part wouldn't you say?
If we played them again now for the last four years we would be 4-0.
Qwest PerfectedUnfortunately, Whittingham doesn't seem to have
learned anything from the Jordan Wynn debacle; Kyle seems to think that
minimizing or simply not talking about injuries will make then go away.As Heaps clearly demonstrated, having a strong arm and looking good in
practice when there's no defensive pressure in your face, doesn't
necessarily translate into being able to read defenses and perform on the field
in game situations.
I hope Wilson's hand can get some much needed rest and recovery time during
the bye week otherwise it will be an ugly end to this season. I'm
surprised that there has been such a drop off of talent between Wilson and
Shultz. Adam has looked pretty horrible in both games he has seen action in so
far. I know the team doesn't discuss injuries during the
season but I am getting tired of the Utes playing a QB who is obviously not 100%
then back pedaling after the game and make excuses of why we couldn't
execute. It's obvious that Wilson hasn't been able to throw the ball
the same since the second half of the Stanford game. I know they don't
want to burn the red shirt year of either Manning or Cox but they haven't
managed this injury very well in my opinion.Like I said, hopefully
Wilson can come back and finish the season strong. The Utes have a lot of work
to do just to make a bowl game but that would still define this season as a
success in my mind.Go Utes!
@u 90I assumed you wouldn't own up and I assumed correctly.
LOL!The fact is whittingham did make that claim, you had a meltdown
over me calling him on it wanting "proof". I gave it to you, he said it
despite your wishful thinking to the contrary and now it is coming back to bite
him, and you. If wilson and schulz are 'upper echelon" pac12 qb's
then what we currently see occuring should not be occuring as they have both
sutnk it up two weeks in a row. Why is taking manning off his redshirt year even
a discussion if wilson and schulz are "upper echelon"? I
know this is very painful for you, and I admit I enjoy that fact, but I would
not enjoy it so much, and it wouldn't pain you nearly as much, if utah
"fans" like yourself weren't constantly trying to cut on BYU
because then I wouldn't be returning in kind. But we both know that is
never going to happen so I guess you just have to get used to the fact that I am
not going to simply take it passively. I will return fire.
U 90Lots of straw men and deflecting, but no real explanation for
why Utah, with a supposedly deep pool of quarterback talent, is playing a
clearly injured starter, because the Utes have no quality backups.Bottom line: two-thirds of the way through the season, Taysom has clearly
emerged as the best quarterback in the state.
After Utah loses two in a row, all of the sudden duckhunter is back on the Utah
boards setting records with 10 posts on every Ute article. Duck, where were you
for the 2 weeks following BYU's loss to Utah? Oh I forgot, Tulsa.What is your point about mocking Whit for saying he felt that he has two
special QB's? Wasn't it Bronco who called for a Quest for Perfection?
But it was ultimately the Utes who completed the perfect season 13-0. So what is your point here? Or is it simply that you're feeling
vindicated now that Utah has lost two in a row since taking 4 straight from the
Cougars? Is that why all of the sudden you're so post happy?
Yes, I know bowls pick in a particular order, that is not the same as seeding.
No team can "own a tiebreaker" for any spot in the conference other than
divisional first place status. Your prognostications are conjectural and there
is really no more logic to it than any other fan predicting which bowl their
team will be in if eligible. In 2011, the Sun Bowl committee passed on both
Arizona State and the South Division champions UCLA to pick Utah who, according
to your "tiebreaker" and "conference seeding" scenarios,
finished "behind" both those teams.
@stgSure the bowls can invite whichever team they want but do you
really think a bowl is going to invite a worse team with a worse record and a
smaller fanbase? Please explain that one to us?Why would the Kraft
Fight Hunger bowl invite a 6 win utah team over a 7 or 8 win Washington,
Arizona, USC, or ASU team especially when utah has lost to all of them that they
played? Bowls usually prefer to take the ....you know....better team.The only scenario I could see where the kraft fight hunger bowl would choose
utah over a better team with a better record is if they actually think a rematch
with BYU is an attractive gate and tv draw. And that of course is purely because
of BYU already being in that bowl game as they would never pick an inferior utah
team over one of those other teams except for that scenario.And
there is seeding by the way, each bowl chooses based on their position in the
pecking order, that is seeding, the kraft fight hunger is the 6th pick, or 6th
seed, in the pac12 bowl pecking order.
SoonerUte,There's no question that Utah would win a rematch in
a bowl game. Wilson has 2 weeks to heal his hand, then the Utes are right back
to being the improving team that beat Stanford. hill has improved his passing
game but Utah's pass defense has also improved. As a new member, the Utes
still struggles to compete in the most competitive conference in the nation but
remain head and shoulders above byu when it comes to athletes and coaches. Go
"This is not your older brothers' Boise team... and then they lost
their QB so they were even worse before they even got to BYU."BYU does
very well against teams that don't have their starting quarterback. With
Wilson injured, no wonder Cougar fans want a rematch. Of course, in '12
the Utes 2nd string QB beat BYU, so maybe its not a given that they'd win
Duck, there is no such thing as "bowl seeding." Bowls make invites.
We've been over this before, and you still make up your own concept on it.
I think Schulz is a perfectly capable QB when he plays to his strengths. Read
options are not one of them. I put yesterday's loss more on the coaching
than on ineptitude at the QB position. You have to be resolved enough to tell
your star that he is of no benefit to the team if his hand won't let him
throw an accurate pass. And then you have to be flexible enough to make an
offense that the guy you go to can run efficiently. If they want to use the same
offense, Cox would probably be the better man for the position than Schulz.
@ekuteI don't make many predictions but I do actually look at
things like standings and which bowl gets which seed etc. Perhaps you should try
to do the same thing before spouting whatever it is that enters your mind.The pac12 has 7 bowl tie ins with the kraft fight hunger getting the 6th
pick. utah currently sits in the 10th overall spot in the pac12 as it pertains
to bowl seeding. It is 1 full game back from a tie for 8th place with uw and
wsu, it is 2 full games back from a 7th place tie with ariz, usc, and ucla, all
teams it lost to that all own the tiebreaker over utah so that actually gives
them a 3 game lead on utah for the 7th spot. For utah to get the
kraft fight hunger bowl spot they need to go at least 3-1 over their last 4
games while having arizona, usc, and ucla all go 1-3 and wsu and uw going no
better than 2-2. It is really just a matter of math. You should try
@Reno Cougs Fan 68This is not your older brothers' Boise team... and
then they lost their QB so they were even worse before they even got to BYU.
duck, I still like our chances. Your predictions and
prognostications are no better than Chris's. Whatever bowl we go to will be
better earned than byu's. Go Utes.
@ekuteIf utah even manages to make it to a bowl game they will not
be good enough to be in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. That bowl is reserved for a
team that will finish much higher in the standings than utah will. utah's
best chance for any bowl is the new mexico bowl. Good luck even getting there.
"The state of Utah football is in a sorry state".Only for
some. BYU is performing at a high level and will probably end the season ranked
before they go bowling. Things are great in Provo. I know this is hard when all
you care about is your Utes, but it's true. Btw Chris B did you check out
Houston destroying Rutgers on the road, or Texas' beat down of TCU? Ya, BYU
looks just fine...nice try at hiding your myopic point of view though,
@ChrisBNot with Pac12 officials...
Chris,Well put. A rematch in fight hunger bowl would be a great way
to get things started into the 2014 season. Go Utes.
Too many injuries on the offensive side of the ball without experienced
back-ups. Tough to get experience when the 1's play most of every game.Utah needs to schedule more teams that that they have proven that they
can beat on a regular basis (Pitt, Georgia Tech, BYU, Utah St, Idaho St, Weber
St, etc).Why do you schedule the best of the MWC (Fresno St) and a
BIG10 power (Michigan). You already play 9 Pac-12 games and are beat into
submission.You should play BYU and Utah State every year. BYU the
last game so you can recover from the emotional hangover.
But the prestige of the conference makes it all worth it! Remember the good old
years? Having one good game against a Stanford like team gets all
of the fan expectations out of control. Some guys claiming Utah would beat USC
because USC was playing their 3rd string. Then Utah only scores 3 points the
entire game! The "prestige" is quickly wearing off as Utah continually
scrapes the bottom of the pac 12 barrel. The fans can at least hang their hat
on the fact that they beat what it turning into a really good BYU team. Until
next year and the year after that when they don't play. Now
what?Wilson is decent QB that just needs to heal but it seems like
we are always saying something like that. Remember the Wynn years?
Chris B, Just because Utah is now 4-4 overall and 1-4 in conference and
likely to miss bowling for the second year in a row and BYU is 6-2 and got an
official invite to a bowl game and just killed BSU a team Utah has never beaten,
does not mean that football in Utah is in a sorry state!!! Utah was the better
team in Sept. but BYU has moved onward and upward and Utah has not!!! Good luck
in your last 4 games, you can always look back and say you were better for one
night in Sept.!!!Rise Up!!!Go Cougs!!!
Someone find Chase Hansen out there in the mission field and get him home.
He's the Utes best chance.
Well let's go back to Friday April 12th of this year in an article right
here in the Dnews written by Dirk Facer titled "Utah Football Notebook: QB
battle is 'very close'"I brought this up pre season
and utah "fan" u 90 had a meltdown over it calling for "proof,
links, and evidence". Well here it is again."We've got
two guys that we think are really very capable quarterbacks in the Pac-12 and
maybe even upper echelon,".... said Whittingham,....Whittingham also had
praise for quarterback Brandon Cox....He showed us enough this spring for us to
realize that we've got something special there," Whittingham
said."Hmmm...."upper echelon"? "Something
special"? I'm just wondering when all this "upper echelon"ness
and "something special"ness is going to manifest itself?When
can I "mark it down" christina?
The state of Utah football is in a sorry state. Utah looks grossly
overmatched. And no other team in Utah can even beat Utah
Wilson is our best bet. Keep him in. He's not even the league leader in
All mocking aside, let Wilson get healed and he will be fine. The kid has
talent and heart. Nothing but respect for Travis Wilson.