Still not clear how honor can ultimately exist without somehow acknowledging
that we are somehow accountable to God when we give our word...
That's pretty sad when people cannot or will not give the credit to the
only one that truly loves us "God". Sometimes I wonder about our country
and the fragile condition it is in because of non-believers. They remind me of a
bunch of babies throwing a fit because it's not exactly the way they think
things should be. I know...why they just grow up..that's a good idea.
As far as I can tell, this is nothing new at all. I joined the Air Force more
than 13 years ago, and no one was required to say "So help me God" when
we took that oath. We were specifically told it wasn't required, along
with being given the option to say "affirm" rather than "swear."
Our country has always been a Christian land. The Russian Perastroyka Plan to
destroy the country was based upon removing Christian teachings from school,
government and the home. The same format Hitler used to take over the European
countries in expanding his empire. The accounts from Austria make it very clear
that removing Christian teachings and God from life was a major target that
started from Day 1 of the takeover. So it is clear where this all comes
from.God's blessing upon our land has been unmistakeable. We
have been up until now the world's source of innovation, industrial
production, energy production, food production, mineral production and so
forth....unitl the EPA and OSHA came into existence in 1970. The United States
of America is #1 in all important categories that are advantageous for societal
economic development -- ranging from Crop Growing Days to water supply to
mineral supply to energy supply to navigable water to innovative breakthroughs
to liberty of its citizens to build and create anything/everything. This was
God's plan for this nation...and still is. Any attempt to make this appear
happenstance is poppycock. chemimagineer
My mother and her generation still complain about the removal of prayer in
schools and while I believe in the LDS God(s), I recognize that my incarnation
of deity may differ from someone else's. There was a time in our country
when including references to God meant more to a large majority of people than
they do now and it's appropriate that we back off declaring our religious
beliefs by default. Should one choose to believe in God and act in a moral
manner as a result then there is little need for these types of oaths and
statements. Compelling one's neighbor to adhere to one's beliefs is
not a Christian approach and yet it is the hard core Christians that seem to
have the most reluctance when it comes to removing references to God in our
culture. (Again, it's not like we are all worshipping God or even the same
God.) We should be more concerned with our overall declining morals than with
references to God. Let's all start with ourselves and our own houses when
it comes to living moral, upright lives and spend less time judging others'
Expressions attributed to deity should be optional and allowable. That makes
the expression more meaningful. Make people free to choose to acknowledge God
or not. Neither should be looked down upon or restricted. Let freedom reign.
I seriously doubt this will satisfy those who opposed having the mention of
"God" in the honor code oath.Why do I say that?Because they want NO option to mention God. They want God not only out of
their life, they want God out of everyone's life.Sad, because
you'd have to be blind to claim that America's Founding Fathers did
not have tremendous faith and belief in a Supreme Being AND fully intended the
United States of America to be a nation permanently founded on God, morality and
Judeo-Christian values.When I think what we could be as a nation,
and what we are instead, I weep for my country...
@ jdaliix - Bountiful, UT - "What everybody invariably overlooks is that
religion has almost nothing to do with God...."Nothing to do
with God?You're kidding, right?.....
An atheist should not be required to say, "So help me God" if it offends
his/hers religious views. We are a diverse society and we should respect that
people are going to have different religious beliefs. People should be not be
compelled to violate their religious beliefs.At the same time, the
phrase should not be eliminated for non-atheists.
In my opinion - this is a non event. We get caught up too much with stuff like
this - kind of like - don't get caught up in the theology - just go out and
see if you can still make the world a better place - not by your words, but by
Yeah, like 'optional' is a concept in the military.
Of course, use of "so help me God" is not optional once the cadet
graduates and is commissioned.
What everybody invariably overlooks is that religion has almost nothing to do
with God, other than the use of the word, so religious freedom here is not the
we know we will be in trouble when they all start saying 'so help me
To require a person to conclude his oath with the words "so help me,
God" is an absolute affront to his religious liberty. If you cannot see why
this is an unconstitutional infringement on religious liberty, consider how you
would feel if you had to take an oath that concluded with the phrase "so
help me, Vishnu" or "so help me, Allah" before joining the military.
While the majority of the country may believe in God, many do not. To require
them to mouth these words is to require dishonesty. If they are not willing to
mouth these words would they have been disqualified from military service? If
so, then the requirement is an unconstitutional religious test. The
constitution clearly states "no religious test shall ever be required as a
qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."The phrase "so help me, God" was absent in the original oath
required for military service, as passed by in 1789 by the Congress, and was
only added for some officers in 1862. It is long past time to return to the
vision of the Founders and to delete this phrase, or at least make it optional.
Good decision.“To add more seriousness to the oath, we decided
to mirror the commissioning oath and add the words, ‘so help me,
God,’ ” said retired Brig. Gen. Hans Mueh, a member of the committee
that made the change, according to Starnes."What unsupported
bias is it, to arrogantly assume that invoking a god is "more serious"
than not, and that believers are "more serious" than non-believers.Religious hubris is both amazing and frightening.