Such lost thinking I read in the comments! Lee is trying to get the government
off our backs, and most of you are demanding that it drive you as slaves!
I'm afraid you'll get what you want. If nothing else, the government
shut-down at least showed how far-reaching the government tentacles have grown,
exceeding the limits put forth by the Constitution which were set there to keep
us a free people. We should have been untouched by the shut-down, as in all
previous shut-downs. Almost half the country wants the government to take care
of them. The other half wants freedom to take care of themselves. I don't
want government healthcare, thank you; I can take far better care of myself, and
I wish to keep my healthcare private. Let those who want it, go ahead and
indulge themselves. Let those who don't want it, opt out.The
ACA isn't even legal. Thirty million words have been added to it since it
was signed into law, which have not been voted on by Congress.
You people in Utah have been hoodwinked by the Progressives in your Republican
party, Orrin Hatch being el primero Progressive. You have a true,
Constitutionalist amongst you, in Mike Lee, and you don't even know what
that means. You are believing the Progressive attack machine. Wake up! The only
difference between a Progressive and a Communist is the former believes in
"quiet" revolution and takeover, while the other requires a bloodbath to
accomplish their ends. If you can't see what's happening to America,
you'll prob never get it.
Of course the conservatives here will repeat the mantra that congress
didn't shut down the government, but that Obama wouldn't compromise.
Obama may not be the best president in history, but he did try to be bipartisan
during the entire first term and got fed up with the conservative gamesmanship
afterward. So now the blame shifts and the FAUX news faithful repeat and repeat
that mantra Goebbels made so famous in Nazi Germany: If you repeat a lie often
enough, it becomes truth."As for the web site's working or
not, yes there are problems, but I hardly think Obama somehow is deliberately
trying to sabotage his own program. Give I time . . . a least Obamacare offers
a measure of relief from the obscene costs of private health care in the USA.
Take a look for the benefits that Repubs want so much to conceal from readers:
I don't see that Mr Lee and his kind are showing any of that LDS compassion
he made a promise to offer. No alternative plans, only obfuscation, like most
"See comment above by mark, a liberal. He has integrity."Yes, I do. But you, you present my words out of context. I don't agree
with what you are saying. Not for a second. Obviously Senator Lee was a leading
driving force behind the closing of the government, like I said in my first
post. Have some integrity and don't try to twist what I'm saying. Oh, by the way, don't try to fit me in your box.
@Badgerbadger,Please address the substance of the arguments I and
others are making instead of resorting to attacks on our integrity.@procuradorfiscal,Your accusations against DOD are so devoid of
facts and legal understanding that there's simply nowhere to begin within
the 200 word limit. I'm taking your accusations to work to show my
colleagues for a couple chuckles. More and more of them are waking up to the
reality that the far right's rhetoric about patriotism falls well short of
actually supporting or paying for a strong national defense.
The bar for Hero must be pretty darn low.I respect integrity too,
that's why I don't respect a liar like mike lee. Why so many
fans of deceit in the tea party?Lets see if Boner keeps his rule
change in place, you know that little change that only allowed him or Eric to
bring a vote?
I agree with Senator Lee: “It’s important to remember sometimes a
fight is worth fighting; sometimes it’s absolutely necessary to fight,
even when victory is far from certain. A lot of the most important efforts in
American history, and in the history of our state for that matter, have been
undertaken in circumstances when victory was far from certain. Fortunately there
were individuals that didn’t shrink from the fight strictly because they
weren’t sure they could win."He is a hero.
It is unfortunate that we don't have more people in congress who are as
dedicated as Lee and Cruz. The may be called 'hardheaded' or
uncompromising' but whatever they really are is what it is going to take to
get this country back on track after 30 some odd years of erosion.
Re: "I deeply resent the accusation that this was done as some sort of
"welfare" for the DC area . . . ."Resent away.
Doesn't change the facts.Nearly all federal workers excepted
from furlough were in DoD. They were sent back to work, not by any Democrat
compromise, but by a tortured, illegal reading of a bill designed, for political
reasons only, to take active-duty military pay off the table, lessening heat on
the Obamna regime to end its cynical lockout.This was done --
curiously -- halfway into the furlough, though the regime's lawyers
asserted it had authority all along.DoD personnel then went back,
without funds for travel, training, equipment -- even light and heat -- though
another disingenuous reading of the Feed and Forage Act kept the lights on.Truth is, though, under such conditions, no meaningful work was
performed during that period. It merely took another area of regime
vulnerability off the table and provided welfare to the largest federal agency
and largest employer in the DC-area and East-Coast Corridor.Nothing
"But Mike Lee is—and Cruz is not—the understated,
policy-oriented leader behind the Defund Obamacare movement, according to
several conservative leaders who spoke to TIME.The Senate Republican
leadership had released statements hammering the President for delaying the
employer mandate while leaving the individual mandate in place. But Lee took it
one step further. On July 9, he released a statement laying out the strategy the
House Republican leadership later adopted: fund everything but Obamacare in the
bill that needs to pass by October 1 to keep the government open. He challenged
congressional Democrats to shut it down, and then worked behind the scenes at
the Republican conference lunches to garner support for defunding Obamacare. At
the time, the press was largely focused on the turmoil in Egypt, Texas Gov. Rick
Perry’s choice to not seek another term, and filibuster reform. Two days
later, Cruz introduced a bill with 29 other Republican senators to fully defund
the Affordable Care Act. But it was Lee who orchestrated the outside the beltway
response that would bring Washington to its knees."(Time)
mark"Badger, clearly Senator Lee did not shut down the
government on his own with his one vote."Thank you!!! Finally
the truth, and spoken by a liberal. I respect integrity.UtahBlueDevilSee comment above by mark, a liberal. He has
integrity.Lee did vote no, along with 40ish other senators, on the
only 2 funding bills Reid allowed a vote on, and they both passed, negating
Lee's vote. He had no effect. Had Reid allowed the departmental funding
bills to go to a vote, I believe Lee would have voted yes, but we will never
know for sure.Res NovaeSee comment above by mark, a
liberal. He has integrity.So it was the house members who committed
and successfully kept UN-ACA funding out of the original CR. Do you know who
they all are? You should go after them, not Lee. Yes Lee spoke his
mind. Debating is part of the job. That is why they debate in chamber. Lee is
just good at it, but instead of supporting an effective congressmen, you hate
I would argue that what America is waking up to is the recognition that the Tea
Party is spending too much time in office.
Mike Lee has failed to realize that he is to represent the people of Utah; not
his own personal agenda. The majority of people in Utah are moderate in their
thinking (whether they are Republican or Democrat) and they are not being
listened to. Time to stop listening to the ulta-conservative tea party, Mike,
and looking ahead to your own re-election. We all lost when Bob Bennett was not
re-elected. As a former Republican State Delegate, 2016 can't come soon
enough to get you out.
July 22, 2013:Speaking on Fox News, Lee said Republicans determined
that refusing to fund Obamacare was the "last stop" before the
individual mandate and the law's health insurance exchanges are set to go
into effect at the beginning of next year.Congress of course has to pass a
law to continue funding government -- lately we've been doing that through
a funding mechanism called a continuing resolution," Lee said. "If
Republicans in both houses simply REFUSE TO VOTE for any continuing resolution
that contains further funding for further enforcement of Obamacare, we can stop
it. We can stop the individual mandate from going into effect.""..But what I am saying is I will not vote for a continuing resolution
that contains funding for further Obamacare implantation and enforcement. So far
I have got, I don't know, 13 or 14 Senate Republicans who have joined me. I
think a corresponding effort is starting to be kicked off in the House." Furthermore, the Senate voted on the House measure prior to the
shutdown. Did the House allow a vote on the Senate measure--a clean
So far no one has attempted to explain how it is Lee's fault the government
shut down.Even the most liberal among us KNOWS Lee did NOT shut down
the government with his one senate vote out of 100.John Boehner shut
it down, with his position of obstructionism.
It's funny how people talk about Compromise in government. People who are
angry at the GOP aren't even thinking about how they run their own
families? What would you think if your spouse wanted to go $30,000.00 in debt
to pay for things you couldn't afford but you say you could only afford
$2,000.00 in debt. Do you just compromise, meet your spouse halfway, and go
$16,000 in debt?; or do you start compromising and agreeing on what you can pay
for and quickly act to keep paying the most important things?Well
that's exactly what the Republicans did. They passed bill after bill to
fund the things that are most popular with the American People but the Democrats
said all or nothing. What if your spouse said "We will no longer buy food
until you agree to go on vacation to Europe". Is that insane? Wake up
America, get a spine, and stop letting the Democrats scare tactics get to you.
Mike Lee has been spinning his spin so long, he's downright dizzy.
The people who are blaming the GOP aren't paying attention and have chosen
to listen to the mainstream media, which is a campaign arm of the Democratic
party.The President has executive discretion to prioritize spending
and he chose to purposely not act on family's death benefits and the
defense department chose to purposely misinterpret the bill that the
Republican's sent through which gave plenty of discretionary leeway to do
so. All he needed to do was sign an Executive Order, just like he has actually
did to totally disregard the law in other circumstances.It makes me
shake my head in disappointment that American's claim to hate the spending
and debt problems in Washington and they want to see it changed, but yet they
somehow expect the majority of establishment politicians that are at fault to
just roll over without any resistance or deception at all; and they aren't
willing to fight even though others have given up their very lives for freedom.
Shame on the American people for losing their moral fiber and being angry at
those who would fix it! The Democrats have American ignorance on their side!
Badger, clearly Senator Lee did not shut down the government on his own with his
one vote. But he did support the stance that led to the government shutdown. Not
only did he support it, but he was a leader and pusher of the group and policy
that led directly to the shutdown. This was a group that advocated for the
shutdown of the government. For Senator Lee to imply that he was unaware that
these policy moves, that he was a leading driver of, would not lead to
government shutdown is, at the best, disingenuous. He needs to embrace his roll
in the closing of the government to have any integrity on this issue. And
I'm sure he would if the polls were not running against the Republican roll
in the shutdown. If the polls were saying the shutdown was embraced I guarantee
Senator Lee would be crowing about his leading the charge to shutdown the
government.For him to say that he is not playing politics is
laughable. If the people that will put him on the next ballot were not the
fringe Tea Party, I'm imagine he would be playing this totally different.
@Badgerbadger,"So far no one has attempted to explain how it is
Lee's fault the government shut down."The Rightwing needs
to get its talking points straight. Either Mike Lee had no influence on the
shutdown (In which case why are so many of you heaping accolades on him?), or he
did play a role. Mike Lee, together with Cruz and a handful of
other Senators, signed a letter lobbying the rest of the GOP senate membership
to defund ACA using the threat of a shutdown as leverage. A similar letter was
signed by Tea Party members of the House. Knowing that his Senate efforts would
fail, Lee actively encouraged the House's TP contingent to pursue that
strategy. In August, TP group Freedom Works stated, "Senator Mike Lee
(R-UT) and Congressman Mark Meadows (R-NC) are leading the charge to get their
colleagues to commit to this approach, by putting their signatures to a letter
affirming that they will refuse to vote for a CR that contains Obamacare
funding."No, Lee isn't solely responsible. But he was at
the forefront, and arguing that he's 1 of 100 and had clean hands is
If people really believe Lee has the people of Utah in his mind as he votes, I
have some swamp land to sell you. His voting record lines up 100% for the super
PAC funder Freedom works. He is nothing more than a puppet, doing the bidding of
his master. He is no more principled than any other in office. It's amazing
how so many can be fooled with simple political spin. Look at the actions. They
didn't help Utah at all. Small business owners and rural communities were
the ones that suffered for his fruitless efforts.
@procuradorfiscal,I'm not sure how passing mini-appropriations
bills for NPS, but not HHS; the VA, but not the IRS; FEMA but not DOL, etc, can
be considered anything BUT cherrypicking! I also don't
understand your tirade against the Pay Our Military Act, which was passed before
the shutdown and had nothing to do with the subsequent mini-appropriations bills
what the House passed after the shutdown began. It also only applied to DOD
workers, no one else. Equally difficult to understand is why you
would oppose bringing hundreds of thousands of DOD employees back. As an
excepted DOD employee who was working throughout, I testify that during the
initial furlough, before Hagel decided to recall everyone, there was massive
disruption in DOD, disruptions which impacted overseas operations, including war
zones. Thanks to dedicated DOD personnel, uniformed and civilian, those
disruptions were mitigated by reopening and redoubling efforts.I
deeply resent the accusation that this was done as some sort of
"welfare" for the DC area when the majority of DOD employees do not live
here. Go to the Ogden area and tell residents that reopening HAFB was
Mike Lee is worse at twisting the meaning of words that Bill Clinton ever was.
He advocated shutting down the government over one political issue and lost. Now
he's resorting to the usual politician's trick of blaming the press
Sen. Lee et al voted to fund everything except Obamacare. So who exactly shut
down the government. Numerous times Bush compromised when the Dems did not
agree to evrything he wanted. He did not shut down the government because he
did not get wvrything his way. The Dems use a different dictionary than the
rest of us. Compromise means agreeing with the President (when a Democrat) on
anything. Remember Hillary's comments on "the loyal opposition?"
Lee is one of few politicians who has the integrity to do the right thing - even
if unpopular.Unfortunately, Americans get to politicians we deserve
and will eventually face a real economic crisis like Greece or Spain because we
let politicians bribe us with our own money.
re: SoCalChris "Doesn't matter how good your legal
arguments are if you can't sell them to the jury"Mike Lee
& Marcia Clark are 2 peas outta the same pod??
"So far no one has attempted to explain how it is Lee's fault the
government shut down."Ok... lets make this real simple. Lee
would not support any bills that strictly dealt with funding the government,
without trying to kill a program not through its repeal, but by forcing votes on
bills that included language to defund, or delay, the role out of a law. He
would not vote yes on a clean budget, with out anti Obamacare\ACA language. The only thing he would vote yes for is something he knew would not
pass. There was no way killing ACA view budget was going to pass the senate,
nor get the signature of the president. He would not vote yes for anything that
was subject specific. I am not sure how hard that is to understand.
Where does a simple "no" vote become hard to understand? Lee unfortunately has produced nothing on the subject other then grand
standing and very meaningless self promotions... he has not proposed a single
viable solutions. That is the easy work. Lets see if he can do the harder work
of coming up with a solution everyone can live with.
One day:Our government will run out of other people's money.When that happens:Nationwide unemployment will top 20%.You will wait in long lines to get mediocre health care.A loaf of bread
will cost $10.00, a gallon of gas $15.00.The government will tell you what
type of car you can buy.Those considered too old, will be allowed to die
or euthanized.The government will order you to not burn any trash of any
kind.The federal government will take more than 50% of what you earn.The US dollar will no longer be used by other countries to buy oilOur
children and grandchildren will despise our foolish spending ways.The
government will raid your bank accounts and impose an "emergency
tax."Senators Lee and Cruz, I salute you for trying to stop US
from heading down the wrong road. History will prove that what you did was the
right thing. Those who criticize you now will look back in the years to come and
realize just how foolish they were to believe that government can give them for
free what it takes from others with no consequences.
Mike Lee has brought nothing to the table, since being elected, except
obstruction. Our House and Senate are supposed to work in concert to craft
legislation that benefits the citizenry of our country. They are supposed to do
the work necessary to move our country forward. Yet, in all their glory, this
new breed of politician refuses to engage and recoils at the idea of civility.
They have brought civil discourse to a new low, and are encouraging citizens to
do the same. There is nothing patriotic about what these "Patriots" are
doing. They are tearing away at the soul of America. It takes cooperation and a
collective effort to address and solve the problems our society faces. Yet,
Senator Lee and his contemporaries continue to pander to a very small segment of
the electorate. It is my hope that when Lee's first term is over, Utahns
will send someone into the game that won't sit on the bench and pout.
So far no one has attempted to explain how it is Lee's fault the government
shut down. Even the most liberal among us KNOWS Lee did NOT shut
down the government with his one senate vote out of 100. Harry Reid
shut it down, with his position of leadership.
Lee:""What we wanted was never a government shutdown; we never
wanted that, we never needed that, we never advocated for that.”Facts:• Senate votes 206, 207, 208 and 209 on Sept. 27. In each of
these votes, including both procedural and substantive votes, Lee joined most
Republicans in voting against a "clean" continuing resolution. He did so
because the measure in question continued to fund Obamacare, a policy he
opposed. Still, had he voted for these bills, they would have funded the
government "fully."• Senate votes 210 and 211 on Sept.
30. In both votes, Lee sided with Republicans in opposing a Senate Democratic
move to strip anti-Obamacare provisions from a continuing resolution that had
been passed by the House and that would have otherwise funded the government.• Senate vote 216 on Oct. 12. Lee voted against another Democratic
effort to pass a "clean" continuing resolution. The vote failed to reach
the required 60-vote threshold because the Democrats couldn’t persuade any
Republicans to break ranks.
Lee:"What we wanted was never a government shutdown; we never wanted
that, we never needed that, we never advocated for that.”Senator Lee,Q: Did you vote yea or nay on Sept. 27 to allow the Senate
to vote on the House bill which included defunding Obamacare, didn't raise
taxes and kept sequestration in place? A: Nay. You were one
of the 19 in the Senate who voted against bringing the House bill for a vote in
the Senate. 79 voted in favor of bringing the House bill for a vote. Q: Did you vote yea or nay on Oct. 16th to end the govt. shutdown? A:
All of you naysayers need to reconsider the options. You are accusing Sen. Lee
of highjacking government when, in fact, Pres. Obama has held all Americans
hostage to his tricks and shenanigans for five years. He has lied to us
repeatedly and no one, especially the media, has called him out on it except for
a few brave "mavericks" like Mike Lee. Obamacare is so
costly it will most likely break us financially, not to mention, take away our
healthcare options. There will be death panels that will decide who lives and
dies. Do you really want some bureaucrat deciding your fate? Kathleen Sebelius
has already said -- "some will live and some will die."Obama
and all "elitist" Progressives (i.e. Democrats) believe they are smarter
than us and want to FUNDAMENTALLY change America by removing our civil liberties
one by one. Similar to slowly increasing the heat so that the frog is unaware it
is being cooked.Thank goodness for people like Mike Lee who are
brave enough to to stand up for all of the stupid frogs so we can enjoy our God
given inalienable rights for another day.
Lee you made me proud to be from the state of Utah, keep up the good fight. I
cannot afford to see my HC go up 300%. Keep it up you have my vote.
Doesn't matter how good your legal arguments are if you can't sell
them to the jury. The GOP should be focused on winning more elections not feel
good stunts that cause public opinion to drop.
CONGRATS TO SEN. LEE! Too bad he has to fight big Gov AND the people in
his state who want more of it!You can tell there are many Fed.Gov.
employees in Utah who are upset about their unscheduled vacation! Hope
they are planning for the one they get in January! According to the Pres.,
the Government is the largest employer. That should cause an educated person to
stop and think. Your employer is $$trillions in debt... ARE YOU THINKING YOUR
JOB IS SECURE??? Better start looking at plan B.I would love to trade
senators, I have one here in Oregon who really has your back when it comes to
big Government! So rest assured, Sen. Lee's actions are balance well with
my senator's. My next big test will be trying to be nice while
getting what others deserve.Party on people! Someone else is picking up
your tab.... for a little while anyway.
Re: "The GOP introduced bills to reopen piecemeal, cherry-picked portions of
the government that would be politically palatable to their base . . . ."Such mindless mouthing of a disingenuous and readily refuted liberal
talking point shows, not just contempt for the readers it attempts to influence,
but for truth, as well.Well-known truth is, nearly all government
employees sent back to work during the Obama/Reid lockout were excepted from
furlough by a tortured, unsustainable reading of the Pay Our Miltary Act by
presidentially appointed lawyers within Obama's heavily politicized
Department of "Justice."This was done, not out of concern
for national defense, as putting defense personnel back to work, while denying
them the tools and equipment necessary to do their jobs, had no beneficial
effect on readiness, and amounted to nothing more than welfare for a large
portion of Washington residents and a worthless political nostrum to Americans
worried about the effects on our readiness posture of Obama's lockout.The Obama/Reid lockout, including its media disinformation campaign, was
disingenuous liberal politics at its finest!
You are part of the problem or you are part of the solution. Mike Lee is part
of the problem. He has yet to come up with any solutions to any of the problems
and so called problems. As far as what Utahn's elected him to do, we may
differ on what that is, but I am pretty sure we didn't elect him to go off
to Iowa to test the Presidential waters. Mr. Lee if he is serious needs to come
up with some solutions. Anyone can bash someone else's ideas. It takes a
real leader to come up with solutions and then get a coalition together to pass
legislation. He has shown no ability to come up with ideas and to put together
a coalition, therefore he is part of the problem not part of the solution.
Funny how people who advocate living within our means, having a budget, and
following the constitution are now considered extremists, and those who advocate
an all-powerful federal government that decides what kind of health care we can
buy, what cars we can drive and spends billions of our own money listening to
our phone calls are considered mainstream.
Accepting Mr. Lee's version of the government shutdown would be akin to
sympathizing with the man who arrogantly walks across the busy freeway during
traffic peak hours, and after lying in the hospital being tended to his wounds
brashly complaining that it was not his intent to be hit. Come Mr. Lee, your
constituents have more sense then you give them credit.
Mike Lee is disingenuous when he states is was never his intention to cause a
government shutdown. The shutdown was well understood by republicans several
months ago as the likely outcome of the ill conceived strategy that was being
pushed by the right wing extremists of the party along with their support
groups. Just ask the moderate republicans who opposed it.
So thankful for Senator Lee and those that don't worry about getting
reelected. We are heading down the wrong road!! WIsh our Republican Senator
here in North Carolina would take a stand. He's mush!!
In all of this truth is scarce and difficult. America is going through a massive
social shift and it is going to get worse, much worse. We had a shutdown
because Obama, Reid and Democratic operatives wanted it. They refused to
negotiated or compromise, to the point of Reid making his famous statement about
refusing to help a child with cancer.The economic model of reform is
Hegelian destruction. We know the debt added by Obama since he took office. Less
known is the debt incurred by the Federal Reserve under Obama's leadership.
An audit of the Federal Reserve shows they've printed and lent at zero
percent interest over $16 trillion! Between Obama's $7 trillion and this
we've seen $24 trillion plus of Keynesian "investment." It
hasn't worked.All of this relates to Obamacare in that the real
costs are like triple reported. We are in a debt war in DC and history shows
this will not end well. Soon.The shutdown showed America we can live
just fine with a 15% reduction in Federal spending. But alas, Keynesian
economics insists on more, always more. Still doesn't work, but always
more. A Japanes model and another lost decade.
Senator Lee won't find many interested in his self-serving, image-polishing
representations of his noble intent -- ideologues and gullibles excepted. He was
an architect of an anti-democratic challenge to the rule of law. He and his
party will pay for it if the US electorate can hold on to its historical memory
for the next year.
Badgerbadger,"Not buying the monuments were closed." Photos
from the '95-'96 shutdown say otherwise. So does the testimony of the
NPS chief when he was hauled before Congress. I concede that the WWII Memorial
wasn't closed off then - 30 seconds of research explains why."That takes additional man power/money to close them." Cost
isn't the driving concern in a shutdown. In fact, it's more expensive
to shutdown the government than to keep it open. Bear in mind that there were
several vandalisms of DC monuments over the summer. The NPS has to mitigate
risk to the monuments. If the NPS hadn't taken steps to secure them and
something had happened, the Right would be castigating them for THAT. That some
'patriots' who stormed the barricades at the WWII Memorial with Sen.
Lee climbed on top of the monument's pillars further strengthens the need
to keep it protected even in a shutdown.The Right's sudden
concern about the NPS is heartening considering how much deficit hawks have
targeted its budget.ADA= government abbreviation of previously
mentioned Antideficiency Act. More people should understand what the ADA is and
how pivotal it is to government operation.
Who hasn’t had even one budget passed during his entire time as US
President, when even his own party wouldn’t buy in to his proposed
budgets?OK, there are people on both sides that aren’t being
smart, but the majority of the problem has been with the US Senate Democratic
Majority Leader and our current US President.Our US President
isn't implementing all of ObamaCare. He thinks not enforcing the law
because it or the Country isn't ready for it is fine, but if Congress
delays implementing part of it because we don't have the money, that is not
The public wants simple talk Mr. Lee, your answers here in this article may be
100 percent accurate, yet the public doesn't think like you; you are an
attorney. One reason Mr. Clinton has a gift is, he makes complex things
simple for the common person. The 30 second sound bite from the media wins,
people are busy and want things simple. Yes, media is out of control and they
eventually brought down the last two presidents.
Lee talks about people losing their jobs. Come 2016, if my vote has anything to
do with it, he will lose his job.
UnreconstructedReb,Not buying the monuments were closed. The info
booths, which required someone to man them, were closed, but the open air
monuments were not fenced off and closed. That takes additional man power/money
to close them.The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) effected the
shutdown how?If my family were spending twice what we made, we would
look at our spending, item by item, to see what we could reduce or eliminate.
That is not called 'piecemeal', but rather responsible budgeting. It
is what Washington should have been doing since January 1st, instead of chasing
the squirrels, like gun control.Demanding that we continue to spend
our grandchildren's money is holding them hostage. And for what? another
entitlement we can't afford, to line the pockets of insurance companies, on
the backs of the middle class.Where was the part about how Lee shut
down the government with his one vote out of 100?DixieDanLee is supposed to fix the economy with his one vote while the entire media
and democrat party dog pile him every time he says anything. Where are the FT
jobs BO/HR created?
Beart: If what we have now is a democracy, can you please explain what that
means? It's a delusion, particularly so for those who believe that his/her
vote actually has made a difference in what has happened in Washington D.C. the
past half century. It is only through independent minded citizens and
independent minded Senators and congressman that we have a chance to make a
difference in the future. If all a person can do is support his/her Republican
or Democratic candidate, then I will continue to have to suffer fools for
believing that 'principle above politics' is an actuality. Mike Lee,
whether you like him or not, has only done what he said he would do, and that,
my friend, is refreshing. I wish we had more! Many more!
Who will tell seniors we need to cut medicare and who will tell the poor we need
to cut medicaid? The military has been cut already, and taxes are raised on
the rich. Things will work out. Medicare and medicaid are big part of
government spending. Term limits, is what I think Mr. Lee is talking about,
with term limits you get in and get out, fight hard, and then get out. Nobody
fights hard and stays around for decades, maybe like the song says, "only
the good die young."
Senator Mike Lee fought for Utah's conservative values.He
supported numerous ways to keep the government open (except Obamacare) but the
Reid and Obama refused to accept anything less than 100% of their demands. So
much for "compromise."At least Mike Lee has the guts to
fight for his beliefs, even if some disagree with them.By the way,
don't we have TWO Senators? Where was the other one, and what was he doing
to stop Obamacare and runaway spending, as he promised us a year ago when
running for office (again, and again....)? Bravo Mike Lee! And Ted
Senator Lee takes a stand. He is a hero.
Of course Mr. Lee and his kind can parse words to make themselves appear
innocent of any wrongheaded notions on any topic. It is the justification all
the tea partiers use. For this reason, they are a true danger to our democracy,
no matter what they say. Lee's associations and the axriona we were able
tos ee in regard to the shutdown give to lie to any justification he thinks to
make for his "sacred obligation" to Utah voters. What a sad and ironic
used of that word, sacred.
How many jobs did you help create since being in Congress, Senator Lee. How
have you helped the economy? How much has your income and other "perks"
grown since arriving in Congress? Senator Lee would do well to respond as to
why he has done nothing to help the economy and job growth.
The tea party or republicans did not cause the shut down, in fact the
republicans put up enough bills to keep all of government going except the
affordable care act. President Obama and Harry Reid of the senate denied all
bills. This was carefully planned to take place. How else do you account for all
the professionally made signs at all of the national parks, the block aids on
the national mall and more employees on the national mall to keep people out
than it took to keep it open? politics both sides but this one mostly the
liberals and the media are to blame.
Instead of spinning the unspinable, he should resign.
Anyway you can take Washington down you have my vote Mike. Washington only
represents the corrupt interests of government and corporate monopolies. They
forgot about defending individuals in their God-given rights a half century or
longer ago. They have stifled liberty,spent us into oblivion, and are ready to
pull the lever on more. Those who have been hurt the worst by this process are
the poor, women, and families, although every Democrat and Republican will trot
out their favorite enslavement program that has only guaranteed their continued
poverty. Anything any honest congressmen can do to tear it apart has my vote.
Any congressman that is willing to tear down the prison and hold the criminals
accountable has my support. I challenge anyone to tell me any congressmen in the
past fifty years that has keep the promises they gave when they campaigned!
Mike Lee comes as close to it as anyone, whether you agree with him or not.
Barack Obama, if judged on what he promised, would have to go down as one of the
greatest liars in history. The pro Obama supporters will say 'every
politician lies'. Wow, where does that leave us.
Badgerbadger, The parks WERE closed in the '95-'96
shutdown. I saw the barriers in front of the Lincoln Memorial and Smithsonian
museums myself. Places like the Grand Canyon were opened because the states
funded them themselves.If you take issue with the way in which
various departments handle a lapse in appropriations, take it up with Congress,
which passed the ADA decades ago, and the Office of Management and Budget, which
established the same shutdown procedures back when Obama was still a law
student.The GOP introduced bills to reopen piecemeal, cherry-picked
portions of the government that would be politically palatable to their base,
and they did so solely as a weak rebuttal when blamed for the shutdown that THEY
ENGINEERED. Beyond butchering the appropriations process works,
it's the equivalent of releasing a few hostages until the terrorists'
demands are met. Their fundamental job is to sustain general government
operations, not just the ones they like. And the GOP, not the Dems, folded when
they took a dive in popularity.Arguing that this was about a CR that
we can't afford is sheer revisionism. The GOP had no problem with funding
everything; they targeted Obamacare.
Unreconstructed Reb-If shutting down the parks was law, how come
Clinton left them open during his shutdown?Who wanted the shutdown
and made it happen? Obama was the one who stated he wouldn't
negotiate or compromise. He then chose to shut down whatever was most visible to
voters, using extra manpower to do it. It seems like he wanted the shutdown.Harry Reid refused to bring any budget/funding bill to the floor, other
than a CR for everything, which we clearly cannot afford, or we wouldn't
have to borrow 45% of it every day, month, and year. He wouldn't negotiate,
or even talk to the republicans.Reid and Obama thought the shutdown
would only hurt republicans, so they were only too happy to do it. They only
came to the table when they realized that their popularity was tanking. Who caused the shutdown? Not Mike Lee. He is just one vote, of 100, in
the senate. I dare you to explain how the shutdown was Mike
Mike Lee is the Jefferson Smith of our day! If Mike Lee cracks, he will have
one that will vote him out and drag as many as I possibly can to do likewise.
He is an absolute hero at present. My only advice to Mike Lee is to stay only
one, maybe two terms, or he will follow in the same pattern as all the rest of
the politicians who have lost their souls in Washington for the very things Mike
states, because they only want to get re-elected rather than do what is right
for the people. The Democratic and Republican parties have literally destroyed
this country. It is the Independents who will make Washington change its ways.
The non-thinkers of this world are the Democrats and Republicans. Wake up and
educate yourself voters. Quit taking the democratic or republican talking
points and merrily go on your way. Both are equivalent to the man behind the
curtain in the wizard of Oz! 'Pay no attention to him'!
@David"First, 85% of the government..." That's heavily
skewed by the fact that DOD, the largest employer in the world with 3.2 million
employees, was almost 100% mission-essential. Most other agencies were gutted.
National parks were closed by LAW, not by choice. Anyone who doesn't
understand the Antideficiency Act has no business commenting on what was closed
and what wasn't."clearly the Senate Democrats and the
president that shut down..." Nonsense. The GOP talked about a shutdown
showdown since August. They tried making hash of an already busted
appropriations process to defund a program that had nothing to do with the
appropriations bill. Taking the government hostage because they can't
succeed with the normal legislative process, and then blaming the other side for
not negotiating is absurd, and the overwhelming majority of Americans see right
through them."Obama has delayed certain aspects of the law just
as Republicans had proposed!" Nope. The **only** reason the Repubs wanted
to delay ACA was to give them more bites at the apple to repeal it. Because
they're OBSESSED with nothing else, they want to continue trying their 40+
meaningless votes to do just that.
It is amazing that so many are believing what the media say: that the
Republicans shut down the government.First, 85% of the government
remained functional and open. It is both embarrassing and revealing that Obama
chose to tape of and barricade national open-air monuments.Second,
It was clearly the Senate Democrats and the president that shut down the
government as they refused to compromise. They refused to send a Senate
delegation to negotiate with the House, and they refused to consider anything at
all.Lastly, because the Obamacare website is such a mess, Obama has
delayed certain aspects of the law just as Republicans had proposed!Democrats and Obama are peddling snake oil to the American people.
I think you posters need to wake up and smell the coffee. What worked in the
past in Congress will not work now. The Democrat party has become
"progressive" and they will not do anything that entails compromise or
bi-partisanship. They deal in conjecture and untruths. The are working to
transform this country whatever way they can. Politicians like Hatch and
Huntsman can vow to do whatever they think to "compromise" and get
along, but they are ignoring the facts. Healthcare and the control of people -
their lives and choices - is the first step to the great transformation. Mike
Lee not only fought for Utah, he fought for all Americans. Americans who know
what we are facing and understand what is happening will support him.
Lee's strategy..... were not going to fix the law, we just not going to
fund the law. Thats like saying "we know the other team is better, were
not going to cancel the game, we are just not going to show up." And then
in the end claim that your didn't lose the game.Senator Lee,
you lost the game. And that is the problem.... it is a game rather than a
serious attempt to fix what is wrong with American health care delivery. You
don't fix the problem by not showing up... and so far... the Republicans
just want to not show up.Obama's game may be flawed.... but he
showed up to the game. He has won by default. Perhaps it is time for the
Republicans to actually show up... and provide their own solution we can all
rally around. Until then....
And we still have never seen an alternative to the ACA from the Republicans.
Shame on Lee for his double dealing.
"What we wanted was never a government shutdown; we never wanted that, we
never needed that, we never advocated for that."When a shutdown
is the leverage you willingly and intentionally chose to try to get your way,
this statement is absurd on its face. You employed that tactic, you own it,
If Lee really believes the garbage he spouts, he is delusional. If he does not
really believe the garbage he spouts, he is running a con on the people of Utah
and the United States. In either event, he is not qualified to be a United
States senator. Is it possible to re all or impeach him? That would be the best
thing to have happen, for everyone.
How would Lee see things if the shoe was on the other foot?What if a
minority of Senate Democrats decided to take a "principled stand" and
filibuster everything related to defense spending? "Let's fund the
areas of government we agree on, and we'll continue to block funding for
defense appropriations". My sense is Lee, along with just about everyone
else, would consider this to be a ridiculous abuse of power, a destabilizing
obstruction of governance.Most Americans are moderate and pragmatic.
They don't really care for ideological ramblings, and they certainly
aren't enamored by egomaniacs who demonstrate symptoms of narcissistic
personality disorder, what Mike Lee is doing right now. In his
mind, he can't be wrong, and he'll spin and rationalize his actions to
try and convince everyone else that he is indeed the smartest guy in the
class.Lee will eventually apologize to Utah voters, because though
he rode the backs of the tea party to victory, underneath it he's the
biggest fan of Mike Lee, and will do what he has to for self-preservation. Will
Utah still want a car salesman in 4 years?
It turns out that Mike Lee and Ted Cruz were right since Obama himself has
delayed his mess! What was it Obama called them for suggesting a delay?
"Obstructionists, hostage takers, ransom demanders, terrorists". How
does it taste to have to eat your own words Mr. president? What a class act you
"What we wanted was never a government shutdown; we never wanted that, we
never needed that, we never advocated for that."...======= of you never "wanted" that Senator - but you DID do it, and you
threaten to do it over and over again if you didn't get your way.This spin-doctoring reminds me another shifty politician caught doing
something really Really STUPID, and that all depends on what your
definition of the word "is" is.
I wish Mr Lee would read his own words. Talk about wordsmithing.“What was wanted, of course, was a repeal of Obamacare, but we realized
we weren’t likely to get that.......so we resorted to a compromise
position..... and defund Obamacare indefinitely. Senate Democrats rejected
that,"If you realized that "repeal" was not an option,
how is "defunding indefinitely" any different?Doesn't it have
the exact same effect?Mr Lees explanation reminds me of a
kidnapping/ransom situation."It was never our intention to kill
the victim. We just wanted the money" Duh
Whether you agree with his principles, at least he's sticking to them which
is a lot more than can be said about a lot of other politicians.