Published: Saturday, Oct. 26 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Whether you agree with his principles, at least he's sticking to them which
is a lot more than can be said about a lot of other politicians.
I wish Mr Lee would read his own words. Talk about wordsmithing.“What was wanted, of course, was a repeal of Obamacare, but we realized
we weren’t likely to get that.......so we resorted to a compromise
position..... and defund Obamacare indefinitely. Senate Democrats rejected
that,"If you realized that "repeal" was not an option,
how is "defunding indefinitely" any different?Doesn't it have
the exact same effect?Mr Lees explanation reminds me of a
kidnapping/ransom situation."It was never our intention to kill
the victim. We just wanted the money" Duh
"What we wanted was never a government shutdown; we never wanted that, we
never needed that, we never advocated for that."...======= of you never "wanted" that Senator - but you DID do it, and you
threaten to do it over and over again if you didn't get your way.This spin-doctoring reminds me another shifty politician caught doing
something really Really STUPID, and that all depends on what your
definition of the word "is" is.
It turns out that Mike Lee and Ted Cruz were right since Obama himself has
delayed his mess! What was it Obama called them for suggesting a delay?
"Obstructionists, hostage takers, ransom demanders, terrorists". How
does it taste to have to eat your own words Mr. president? What a class act you
How would Lee see things if the shoe was on the other foot?What if a
minority of Senate Democrats decided to take a "principled stand" and
filibuster everything related to defense spending? "Let's fund the
areas of government we agree on, and we'll continue to block funding for
defense appropriations". My sense is Lee, along with just about everyone
else, would consider this to be a ridiculous abuse of power, a destabilizing
obstruction of governance.Most Americans are moderate and pragmatic.
They don't really care for ideological ramblings, and they certainly
aren't enamored by egomaniacs who demonstrate symptoms of narcissistic
personality disorder, what Mike Lee is doing right now. In his
mind, he can't be wrong, and he'll spin and rationalize his actions to
try and convince everyone else that he is indeed the smartest guy in the
class.Lee will eventually apologize to Utah voters, because though
he rode the backs of the tea party to victory, underneath it he's the
biggest fan of Mike Lee, and will do what he has to for self-preservation. Will
Utah still want a car salesman in 4 years?
If Lee really believes the garbage he spouts, he is delusional. If he does not
really believe the garbage he spouts, he is running a con on the people of Utah
and the United States. In either event, he is not qualified to be a United
States senator. Is it possible to re all or impeach him? That would be the best
thing to have happen, for everyone.
"What we wanted was never a government shutdown; we never wanted that, we
never needed that, we never advocated for that."When a shutdown
is the leverage you willingly and intentionally chose to try to get your way,
this statement is absurd on its face. You employed that tactic, you own it,
And we still have never seen an alternative to the ACA from the Republicans.
Shame on Lee for his double dealing.
Lee's strategy..... were not going to fix the law, we just not going to
fund the law. Thats like saying "we know the other team is better, were
not going to cancel the game, we are just not going to show up." And then
in the end claim that your didn't lose the game.Senator Lee,
you lost the game. And that is the problem.... it is a game rather than a
serious attempt to fix what is wrong with American health care delivery. You
don't fix the problem by not showing up... and so far... the Republicans
just want to not show up.Obama's game may be flawed.... but he
showed up to the game. He has won by default. Perhaps it is time for the
Republicans to actually show up... and provide their own solution we can all
rally around. Until then....
I think you posters need to wake up and smell the coffee. What worked in the
past in Congress will not work now. The Democrat party has become
"progressive" and they will not do anything that entails compromise or
bi-partisanship. They deal in conjecture and untruths. The are working to
transform this country whatever way they can. Politicians like Hatch and
Huntsman can vow to do whatever they think to "compromise" and get
along, but they are ignoring the facts. Healthcare and the control of people -
their lives and choices - is the first step to the great transformation. Mike
Lee not only fought for Utah, he fought for all Americans. Americans who know
what we are facing and understand what is happening will support him.
It is amazing that so many are believing what the media say: that the
Republicans shut down the government.First, 85% of the government
remained functional and open. It is both embarrassing and revealing that Obama
chose to tape of and barricade national open-air monuments.Second,
It was clearly the Senate Democrats and the president that shut down the
government as they refused to compromise. They refused to send a Senate
delegation to negotiate with the House, and they refused to consider anything at
all.Lastly, because the Obamacare website is such a mess, Obama has
delayed certain aspects of the law just as Republicans had proposed!Democrats and Obama are peddling snake oil to the American people.
@David"First, 85% of the government..." That's heavily
skewed by the fact that DOD, the largest employer in the world with 3.2 million
employees, was almost 100% mission-essential. Most other agencies were gutted.
National parks were closed by LAW, not by choice. Anyone who doesn't
understand the Antideficiency Act has no business commenting on what was closed
and what wasn't."clearly the Senate Democrats and the
president that shut down..." Nonsense. The GOP talked about a shutdown
showdown since August. They tried making hash of an already busted
appropriations process to defund a program that had nothing to do with the
appropriations bill. Taking the government hostage because they can't
succeed with the normal legislative process, and then blaming the other side for
not negotiating is absurd, and the overwhelming majority of Americans see right
through them."Obama has delayed certain aspects of the law just
as Republicans had proposed!" Nope. The **only** reason the Repubs wanted
to delay ACA was to give them more bites at the apple to repeal it. Because
they're OBSESSED with nothing else, they want to continue trying their 40+
meaningless votes to do just that.
Mike Lee is the Jefferson Smith of our day! If Mike Lee cracks, he will have
one that will vote him out and drag as many as I possibly can to do likewise.
He is an absolute hero at present. My only advice to Mike Lee is to stay only
one, maybe two terms, or he will follow in the same pattern as all the rest of
the politicians who have lost their souls in Washington for the very things Mike
states, because they only want to get re-elected rather than do what is right
for the people. The Democratic and Republican parties have literally destroyed
this country. It is the Independents who will make Washington change its ways.
The non-thinkers of this world are the Democrats and Republicans. Wake up and
educate yourself voters. Quit taking the democratic or republican talking
points and merrily go on your way. Both are equivalent to the man behind the
curtain in the wizard of Oz! 'Pay no attention to him'!
Unreconstructed Reb-If shutting down the parks was law, how come
Clinton left them open during his shutdown?Who wanted the shutdown
and made it happen? Obama was the one who stated he wouldn't
negotiate or compromise. He then chose to shut down whatever was most visible to
voters, using extra manpower to do it. It seems like he wanted the shutdown.Harry Reid refused to bring any budget/funding bill to the floor, other
than a CR for everything, which we clearly cannot afford, or we wouldn't
have to borrow 45% of it every day, month, and year. He wouldn't negotiate,
or even talk to the republicans.Reid and Obama thought the shutdown
would only hurt republicans, so they were only too happy to do it. They only
came to the table when they realized that their popularity was tanking. Who caused the shutdown? Not Mike Lee. He is just one vote, of 100, in
the senate. I dare you to explain how the shutdown was Mike
Badgerbadger, The parks WERE closed in the '95-'96
shutdown. I saw the barriers in front of the Lincoln Memorial and Smithsonian
museums myself. Places like the Grand Canyon were opened because the states
funded them themselves.If you take issue with the way in which
various departments handle a lapse in appropriations, take it up with Congress,
which passed the ADA decades ago, and the Office of Management and Budget, which
established the same shutdown procedures back when Obama was still a law
student.The GOP introduced bills to reopen piecemeal, cherry-picked
portions of the government that would be politically palatable to their base,
and they did so solely as a weak rebuttal when blamed for the shutdown that THEY
ENGINEERED. Beyond butchering the appropriations process works,
it's the equivalent of releasing a few hostages until the terrorists'
demands are met. Their fundamental job is to sustain general government
operations, not just the ones they like. And the GOP, not the Dems, folded when
they took a dive in popularity.Arguing that this was about a CR that
we can't afford is sheer revisionism. The GOP had no problem with funding
everything; they targeted Obamacare.
Anyway you can take Washington down you have my vote Mike. Washington only
represents the corrupt interests of government and corporate monopolies. They
forgot about defending individuals in their God-given rights a half century or
longer ago. They have stifled liberty,spent us into oblivion, and are ready to
pull the lever on more. Those who have been hurt the worst by this process are
the poor, women, and families, although every Democrat and Republican will trot
out their favorite enslavement program that has only guaranteed their continued
poverty. Anything any honest congressmen can do to tear it apart has my vote.
Any congressman that is willing to tear down the prison and hold the criminals
accountable has my support. I challenge anyone to tell me any congressmen in the
past fifty years that has keep the promises they gave when they campaigned!
Mike Lee comes as close to it as anyone, whether you agree with him or not.
Barack Obama, if judged on what he promised, would have to go down as one of the
greatest liars in history. The pro Obama supporters will say 'every
politician lies'. Wow, where does that leave us.
Instead of spinning the unspinable, he should resign.
The tea party or republicans did not cause the shut down, in fact the
republicans put up enough bills to keep all of government going except the
affordable care act. President Obama and Harry Reid of the senate denied all
bills. This was carefully planned to take place. How else do you account for all
the professionally made signs at all of the national parks, the block aids on
the national mall and more employees on the national mall to keep people out
than it took to keep it open? politics both sides but this one mostly the
liberals and the media are to blame.
How many jobs did you help create since being in Congress, Senator Lee. How
have you helped the economy? How much has your income and other "perks"
grown since arriving in Congress? Senator Lee would do well to respond as to
why he has done nothing to help the economy and job growth.
Of course Mr. Lee and his kind can parse words to make themselves appear
innocent of any wrongheaded notions on any topic. It is the justification all
the tea partiers use. For this reason, they are a true danger to our democracy,
no matter what they say. Lee's associations and the axriona we were able
tos ee in regard to the shutdown give to lie to any justification he thinks to
make for his "sacred obligation" to Utah voters. What a sad and ironic
used of that word, sacred.
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