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Published: Sunday, Oct. 27 2013 9:30 a.m. MDT

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Contrariuserer
mid-state, TN

Hobby Lobby --

Allowing this business to pick and choose which laws it will be subject to would open up a huge can of worms. For instance:Jehovah's Witnesses are against blood transfusions on religious grounds. How would you feel if you were in a terrible car accident, but you found out when you got to the ER that your employer refused to cover your life-saving blood transfusions? Similarly, fundamentalist Christian Scientists oppose ANY medical treatments on religious grounds. How would you feel if your employer refused to provide ANY health insurance?

Businesses and corporations are expected to follow ALL the laws of the jurisdictions under which they operate.

Orson Scott Card --

I personally hope that EVERYONE will go to see this movie. Lionsgate Entertainment, the company that produced "Ender's Game", is a prominent gay-rights supporter in the movie industry. They have recognized and promoted equal treatment of gays in their workplace for years, including providing equal benefits for gay couples even while gay marriage was not being recognized in CA. Also, they are planning to throw a benefit for gay-oriented charities coordinating with the movie premiere.

Support gay rights! Go see "Ender's Game"!

Mark from Montana
Davis County, UT

@Red

Normally I don't go to movies on the opening night. Mostly I wait for Red Box, or at least I will catch it at the dollar theater. Because of calls for a boycott, I will be going opening day to see Enders Game. I may go a second time on Saturday just to help boost the opening day take.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@Contrariuserer

It is not about "picking and choosing",

it is about freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of conscience.

@Red Corvette

Again it is about freedom of religion, which includes freedom to speak ones beliefs and conscience.

And you have freedom to speak yours, but not punish him, that is what freedom is all about.

Larry Chandler
CEDAR CITY, UT

There are religious laws and secular laws. Learn the difference. If I am a Muslim or Jew and I own a business and you work for me, I do NOT have the right to tell you not to bring a ham sandwich for lunch. By the way, my religion insists my employees have a beer on their breaks.

Monsieur le prof
Sandy, UT

For those who would boycott Ender's Game, I say fine, but it will be your loss. The book was iconic and the movie is supposed to be incredible. It's ironic that those who wish others to be tolerant of their aberrant lifestyles are so intolerant and even hateful of those who may disagree.

Prodicus
Provo, UT

@Larry- you're wrong. A Muslim or Jew would be perfectly within their rights to ask something like that of their employees. Those who don't like to make an agreement of that nature are free to seek employment elsewhere.

There oughtn't even be anything illegal about making imbibing beer during breaks a required condition for employment; you're just limiting your potential workforce and possibly causing those who are willing to work under those terms to be less effective. Just doing yourself a disfavor and your competitors a favor. Why should the state get involved?

Saying that civil law is always "secular law" is really just a way to try to exclude religious people from the public sphere. Civil society doesn't work that way. If the majority of a city wants businesses to be closed on Fridays, only a misguided judiciary would step in and overrule the will of the people; it shouldn't matter whether that's because citizens think everyone should spend the day surfing or because they think everyone should spend the day at the mosque. Religious motivations are not somehow less valid in public discourse than others.

OnlyInUtah
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I will be attending the movie on opening day. Maybe even twice just to offset any boycotting by hate groups.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

There is NO evidence to date that morning-after pills prevent implantation of a fertilized egg.

"There is no evidence to suggest that either of the FDA-approved emergency contraceptive options, levonorgestrel (LNG, such as Plan B One-Step, Next Choice One Dose, Next Choice, and Levonorgestrel Tablets) or ulipristal acetate (UPA, such as ella) works after an egg is fertilized. In two recent studies1,2 of the levonorgestrel regimen, women who presented for EC were monitored to identify their menstrual cycle day and ascertain which women took EC before ovulation, and which took it after. Among women taking LNG before ovulation, there were no pregnancies. Among those who took it on the day of ovulation or after, there were about the number of pregnancies that would be expected with no use of EC; if LNG were effective at preventing implantation, it would most certainly be more effective when taken after ovulation. A 2010 study 3 of ulipristal acetate (ella) found that at certain doses, it can decrease the thickness of the endometrium (by 0.6 to 2.2 mm), but it is not clear that this would in fact prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg."
(Princeton edu)

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"The constant references to Plan B and ella as abortion-causing pills frustrates Susan Wood, a professor of health policy at George Washington University and a former assistant commissioner for women's health at the FDA.

"It is not only factually incorrect, it is downright misleading. These products are not abortifacients," she says.

But it turns out, at least when it comes to Plan B, there is now fairly definitive research that shows the only way it works is by preventing ovulation, and therefore, fertilization.

"We've learned a lot about how these drugs work," says Diana Blithe, a biochemist and contraceptive researcher at the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development. "I think it's time to revise our speculations about how things might work in view of data that show how things do work."

Blithe says studies have also shown that ella, like Plan B, doesn't prevent pregnancy if a woman has already ovulated. Women who took the drug after ovulation got pregnant at the same rate as those who took nothing at all. She says that strongly suggests it does not have any effect on blocking implantation.
(NPR)

Bob K
porland, OR

Contrariuserer
mid-state, TN
-Hobby Lobby --

Allowing this business to pick and choose which laws it will be subject to would open up a huge can of worms....
Businesses and corporations are expected to follow ALL the laws of the jurisdictions under which they operate.

Omission: The discriminatory nature of this company is terrible.
People who get minimum wage jobs often must take whatever they can get.
Female employees of Hobby Lobby may have to chose between shoes for the kids, rent, and birth control, so they take a chance.
Women are 2nd class citizens to this man, and he cares nothing for the unwanted children who will suffer.

But --"Support gay rights! Go see "Ender's Game"!" -- Sorry, you are wrong.
Lionsgate made a mistake which they are trying to redress, but Hollywood is about money.
If this movie is profitable, the price of the movie rights to Card's books will go way up.

RG
Buena Vista, VA

Does anyone know when OSC made the gay marriage comments? Seems like it was several years ago, long before Obama and Clinton were for gay marriage - at a time when they, too, were against it. But somehow they get a pass. (Not that OSC has changed his mind, and he shouldn't change it, but I'm just pointing out hypocrisy of some people.)

cjb
Bountiful, UT

An employer should not have the right to impose their religious belief(s) on their employees. .. Hobby Lobby.

Abortion is not exclusively a religious concern, any more than murder is.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

The only job of our government is to protect our borders.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

@ the Truth

Birth control is not life threatening.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

@ the Truth - Sorry that was meant for Contrariuserer

@ Contrariuserer - Birth control is not life threatening when not supplied by your employer's insurance.

latcatin
Biloxi, MS

I've always found it interesting that those who want others to be the most tolerent of their lifestyle and views are often the least tolerant of the lifestyles and views of others. You can choose your own lifestyle, but you do NOT get to choose the reactions of others to your choice. It is impossible to legistlate personal belief, try as our bureaucrats might to do so.

PhotoSponge
nampa, ID

An employer does NOT owe his/her employees ANYTHING but a wage for hours worked! FORCING him/her to do otherwise, is a crime and goes against his/her freedom of choice, which comes from a Higher Law than Obamcare.

l.cee
Ridgefield, WA

At the risk of opening up a can of worms on this commentary, the solution to the Hobby Lobby (and other companies that agree with them) is to stop all companies from providing health care and then to replace that with Medicare for all.

Contrariuserer
mid-state, TN

@the truth --

"it is about freedom of religion..."

As with other rights, your freedom of religion ends at my nose -- meaning that your freedom ends when your actions harm me.

Withholding health insurance which is already legally required from employees harms those employees. Therefore the employer has no right to do it.

" you have freedom to speak yours, but not punish him"

NOM is currently running TWO boycotts against companies with pro-gay policies. Why is it okay for NOM to boycott, but not for anyone else?

@RG --

"...when OSC made the gay marriage comments?"

He has made many such comments, in many venues, throughout the years. The last ones I have the text for were, I think, last year or the year before.

"I'm just pointing out hypocrisy of some people."

No, you're just pointing your lack of facts.

He's not being boycotted because he's against gay marriage. He's being boycotted because he has said several very harmful (and untrue) things about gay people, and because he has actively worked to deny them equal rights.

@Razzle 2 --

"Birth control is not life threatening."

Have you ever seen the results of a back-alley abortion?

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Razzle: Pregnancy can be life threatening - birth control is preventative.

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