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Published: Thursday, Oct. 24 2013 1:15 p.m. MDT

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The Rock
Federal Way, WA

"The impasse shut down the federal government for more than two weeks and was settled midmonth, on the eve of what would have been the first default on repaying the nation's debt."

I wish the DN would get their facts straight. The government brings in more than 10 times as much money as required to fund the debt service in any given month. The only reason there would have been a default is if the President ignored the constitution (yet again) and chose not to pay our debts.

The constitution requires that this be paid first.

Shimlau
SAINT GEORGE, UT

I think that Gov. Herbert is right, there is enough blame to go all the way around; For instance, Pres. Obama's absolute refusal to negotiate/compromise on anything. This was also the stand of Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada. This was even after the Republicans scaled back there demands multiple times! I was just pleased to see the state of Utah step up to the bat and reopen the parks. That saved the towns around the parks from total failure, and showed that the state would and could step in when the Feds fell on their collective faces.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

RE: The Rock

Amen!!!

Utexmom
Flower Mound, TX

Senator Ted Cruise came home to Texas to a huge crowd who enthusiastically congratulated him. Texans couldn't be more proud of him. He stood up against all odds for what he believed in. I heard a radio host here comparing that to the less than rousing crowd in Utah waiting for Senator Lee. They are stumped as to what Utah believes in.

I have to ask the same question myself: Why does Utah think it was wrong for Senator Lee to stand out as different by standing up for what he believes - even to the extent that the Government was shut down? He didn't do it to shut down the Government. He did it to save the American people from Obamacare and the disgusting side problems that will come with it. We need more people in Government like that! The temporary shut down was a bad thing, but not as bad as when we see all of the problems that will come from Obamacare. I am thankful To Senator Lee and Senator Cruz for what they did.

JLFuller
Boise, ID

The governor refuses to acknowledge that Senators Lee and others were making a point. That is, that government is out of control and that the latest fiasco is the Affordable Care Act, most infamously, their web site. It certainly is not the only point but just one of the latest. Of course the Governor refuses to say so because it is his party on the hot seat and they are notoriously sensitive to heat. What all Americans should understand that this latest cabal of radical leftists who control of the country is not the only bad guys responsible for this over bloated unaccountable Federal bureaucracy.

Spellman789
Syracuse, UT

Things just go from one extreme to another.

Joey D
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

God bless Sen. Lee and Cruz and anyone else of that mind set. May the election of 2014 bring a new class of 'em.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Okay, for the sake of debate, Governor Herbert and Senator hatch, let's say the the Cruz-Lee-Paul-Rubio strategy was wrong.

They HAD a strategy, and were willing to risk their reputations to try to stop Obamacare.

What was the Herbert-Hatch strategy, I missed reading about it?
Okay, be honest, there was none. The "moderate" Republican strategy is the same it has been for most of Hatch's tenure, quietly say a few mildly critical things somewhere along the process, then quietly surrender to the unyielding demands of the Democrats on every issue.

I endorse Mike Lee and look forward to campaigning for him. I have not made up my mind on Herbert, and opposed Hatch last time!

Linus
Bountiful, UT

bungalow,

Lee and Cruz remind me of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Paul Revere, John Adams, and a host of American patriots who put liberty over tyranny and country over self.

mcdugall
Murray, UT

@The Rock - There was enough money to service the interest payments on the notes but there would be very little left over to pay for basic government services. The question would be, do you default on loan payments or do you pay them and let the government and quite possibly society collapse into chaos?

holy moly
Herrmian, UT

The Tea Party has a great talking point that all Americans are worried about... The debt.

Unfortunately, the Tea Party's other talking points have included: Obama has no birth certificate, was a Muslim, caused the economic recession on his first day in office, is a Socialist, Wants American society to collapse, Is a lazy president because he takes vacations, Wants to eliminate the second amendment, is responsible for the entire debt, etc...

If the Tea party wants people to listen to its valid arguments, it should not preface them with hogwash only dittoheads believe.

Evets
Eagle Mountain, UT

I am disappointed that Gov. Herbert didn't back Lee better. I am proud we have a Senator that stands up for what he believes in.

mcdugall
Murray, UT

@Evets - His beliefs nearly brought the world to a financial catastrophe. There is a huge difference in doing what is right vs your personal beliefs. As a Senator, he is tasked with Representing the needs of Utah's and playing chicken with the world economy does not help any Utahn.

aceroinox
Farmington, UT

Add Governor Herbert to the list of those lacking the courage to stand up to relentless spending by the Federal Government!

First of all, it is worth reminding ourselves that it was not Senators Lee and Cruz who shut down the government--it was President Obama. The President had the option to accept all the compromises that were offered, which funded everything except ObamaCare. The Affordable Care Act was foisted upon the American people (the majority of whom are not in favor of it) in a very sleazy and shady process that included rushing it through so quickly that those voting on it were unable to read the bill and understand what they were voting on.

Secondly, the REAL issue here is not ObamaCare, but the out-of-control spending. Both the GOP and the Democratic Party are responsible, including our dear Senator Hatch, to the tune now of $155,000+ of national debt for every household in America! $155,000!!! That is a runaway, downhill train with no apparent brakes, headed for your house, Governor, and mine, and every Utahn's. When is it OK to get concerned? $200,000/family? $500,000? Be sure to let us know!

Doogie
South Jordan, Utah

"Unfortunately, the Tea Party's other talking points have included: Obama has no birth certificate, was a Muslim, caused the economic recession on his first day in office, is a Socialist, Wants American society to collapse, Is a lazy president because he takes vacations, Wants to eliminate the second amendment, is responsible for the entire debt, etc."

This statement shows how misinformed the low information voter is and why the progressives rule the land. I think people ought to educate themselves about what true patriots the the Tea Party is and seek the truth before they regurgitate what the mainstream media says! The reason the Republican party is taking such a hit is that they have no backbone to stand up to the moral and economic decline of our nation. It is business as usual for the Boys in Washington...hopefully not for long!

ssj429
Salt Lake City, UT

It shocks me that individuals in Utah, especially the Deseret News, are so upset at Mike Lee. What Lee did was brilliant. People need to take a step back and look at the big picture, along with the strategy. I won't go into details on here, but if you properly analyze where the attention has come from, and where it was directed, you will realize that this was brilliant. Lee and Ted Cruz also shook up the republican establishment. This is crucial, and it has to be done to spotlight corruption that is occurring there. I think that many people in Utah have a very naive view of the media. They are too trusting. They believe that the media tries to be objective. They believe that there might be a slight bias, but overall they really do care about fair, concerned news. These are the same people who genuinely believe that the media loves mormons as well. I hope people start waking up and realize that the main stream media hates republicans and religious individuals. Wake. up. Utah. And stop blaming conservatives for Romney's lost as well. Blame the democrat party and the media.

dave4197
Redding, CA

Lee and Cruz remind me of the Charley Brown cartoon of the football set to kick.

Lee and Cruz are not in any league with the founding fathers. Lee and Cruz stunk up the place with their terrible tactics, they need more than rehab, they need to remove their rose colored glasses and actually interact with other people with other ideas in the room. Put away the grenades, Lee and Cruz. Shine up your Biggest Loser trophy, Lee and Cruz.

We can change the ACA, but not by following your recent "bridge to nowhere".

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Lee and Cruz will be footnotes of idiocy and to compare them to the founding father shows a an ignorance of history.

Madhatters and egotistical men with nothing to offer but radio interviews and partisan baloney.

Boener's last minute rule change, wasn't sneaky or underhanded at all.

A man with character would act the same in his personal life as his professional.
Lee has proven to be more interested in Fame than fiscal responsibility at home and in Washington.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

So people like Herbert and Hatch join with the liberals in concluding that Mike Lee and Ted Cruz caused the Barry-Harry "shutdown" (slowdown) of government. Give me a break. What we have is a bunch of old dog RINOs who think they're going to win more elections by being liberal-lite. They're so concerned about their reputation that they don't have one. What they DO have is a great fear of criticism from naive and ignorant citizens who are jumping to side with the socialistic/communistic liberals, who in turn believe that government should monitor and control every facet of every living thing. And let's quit calling these people "progressives." I know they prefer that name, but their REGRESSIVE policies are eroding and destroying everything good we have here and every hope for a brighter future. Their ideas and philosophies have been routinely and repeatedly proven wrong throughout history. I say let's get some new blood in government . . . people who can actually recognize that we're in trouble when we're $17,000,000,000,000 in the hole and have a president who hates the Constitution and history of the United States.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@holy moly

Before you make outlandish and obviously false claims about the tea party, you should get the facts first.

The tea party DOESN'T care about obama's birth certificate, that came from the hilary Clinton primary campaign,

They DON'T care about his religion, though Obama has brought the radical muslim group the Muslim Brotherhood into his administration, and allies himself with muslim terrorists and wants to send arms to them in syria,

Obama isn't a socialist, but a revolutionary Marxist, and certainly a communist, which isn't surprising since his parents and grandparents are communist,

Not lazy, but does take rather lavish vacations and hosts lavish parties while the americam people are suffering,

Obama didn't cause the recession but has allowed it to endure with his economic policies.

Obama Is against the second amendment and want extreme gun control,
Obama is against individual liberty and for big government control in every aspect of our lives,
(uses the IRS to bully, used NSA to spy on the american people, and renewed the patriot act, taxies heavily)

Obama is responsible for his portion of the debt,

Tea party is right.

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