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  • birwin Herrmian, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    OK everybody, go to your separate corners and come out when you can post nicely!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 24, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    To people talking about the playoff.
    I think the 4 team format is doomed to fail
    4 teams 5 power conference champions?
    It will probably expand to 8 and then they may do as the BCS did and take the Highest mid-major.
    until then the playoff may be 2 sec teams acc and big 10 or any other combination.
    A lot of years the SEC will probably get two teams in.
    This system is much worse than before.
    It destroys all chances of Underdogs reaching a National Title game.
    Even the champion from one power conference (perhaps 2) will not make it to the playoff.
    BCS is great compared to the problems this system already has.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:44 p.m.

    LoveTheKitties

    If Utah does not beef up the quality of their opponents to having 8-9 dynasty teams every year, the Utes will never make the playoffs.

    Please list the 8-9 dynasty teams on this, the toughest, schedule in Utah history:

    Utah State - nope
    Weber State - are you kidding
    Oregon State - nope
    Brigham Young - not according to Utah fans
    UCLA - marginal
    Stanford - lately, but historically, nope
    at Arizona - nope
    at Southern Cal - yes
    Arizona State - nope
    at Oregon - lately, but historically, nope
    at Washington State - nope
    Colorado - nope

    Laugh at the Kraft Fight Hunger if it makes you feel better, nut the truth is, except for a little more money, the Holiday Bowl, Gator Bowl, etc., etc., won't be any more meaningful than the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl as far as national prestige.

    The Major College Football Playoff is the new Big Dance
    The Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Rose and Fiesta Bowls are the new NIT
    The other bowls are the new Aloha Classic and the myriad other pre-season tournaments, only, for football, they'll be played post season

  • LoveTheKitties The Middle Of, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 6:50 p.m.

    @LonestarRunner

    I wish that I could apologize for my innocuous post but I just can't. It is innocuous. Strength of schedule will be an important factor for consideration to the playoff. If BYU does not beef up the quality of their opponents to having 8-9 dynasty teams per year they will be in the Kraft hungry bowl every year. With the fall of the BCS, the tradiational big dollar bowls will go bask to their traditional conference matchups and your dynasty will be cold in San Francisco. Maybe Utah will never go to another 'big bowl' but they will get money from those in their conference that do go. But that is here nor there, if the rumors about new division are true. Then BYU can continue to schedule a middle of the slate and get ranked and win the Hungry bowl and ya'll will be happy. Just like Grand Valley winning all those championships in the Champoinship series. All that marvelous history will be a side note to mediocrity.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 5:14 p.m.

    LTK

    "As Utah found out, winning lots of games in a season against poor teams doesn't carry much water."

    Unlike Utah, BYU established a national reputation that produced a national champion, a Heisman Trophy winner, 18 Top 25 finishes, 6 national Hall of Fame players, 15 national individual awards, and a legacy program recognized as having one of the Top 25 "dynasties" of the AP era.

    Despite all of the boasting of Utah fans, unrealized potential is meaningless. The Utes are no closer to being a playoff contender than any of the other perennial power conference bottom dwellers. Three years in the PAC and U still haven't managed to finish with a winning conference record. Enjoy being the Indiana or Vanderbilt or Duke of the PAC 12.

  • LoveTheKitties The Middle Of, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    @LonestarRunner
    As Utah found out, winning lots of games in a season against poor teams doesn't carry much water. The question asked 29 years ago is as relevant now as it was then, 'Who did they play?" Strength of schedule will be an important factor next year and the schedules that are being put together so far will carry very little weight going forward. That IS the price of independence.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    Well, ekute, my comment (1st post) wasn't demeaning to Utah. It simply reflected the fact that the headline stated that BYU's win over Houston was a reminder of WAC days, and since Utah partisans are so quick to make fun of the WAC, the Utes loss to Arizona also reminded me of the many years Utah lost to one of the Arizona schools when all of the schools were in the "WAC" together. I did not say "How can a powerful PAC 12 team that just beat the #5 team in the country lose to lowly Arizona" or "Why did Utah play so poorly last week" etc. I simply stated that the headline reminded me of not only BYU's fortunes in the WAC but also Utah's.

    I think the record comeback against a WAC opponent was Utah in the late 60's when they were behind 0 - 27 going into the 4th quarter and they defeated Arizona 28 - 27 in SLC.

    There, feel better now? Because Utah's history in the WAC is what BYU's history is in the WAC---It Is What It Is---and no one can change it. Don't get offended by your team's history.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    What 4 in a row equals:

    BYU's current bowl winning streak - the Utes have won one
    BYU's most recent AP Top 25 streak - the Utes have never had more than two
    BYU's most recent 10+ win season streak - the Utes have never had more than three
    BYU's streak of starting quarterbacks to win the Sammy Baugh Trophy (nation's best passer)

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    So if BSU beats BYU will it be remembered as the good old days of the MWC?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    LetsDebate,

    Math has never been hard for me, but I do make mistakes. I do know what 4 in a row equals.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    @ekute - I know math is hard, but Lavell Edwards was BYU head coach for 28 years, and has been gone for 13 years. For future reference, 28 years is more than twice as long as 13 years.

  • The Solution Dayton, OH
    Oct. 23, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    Surf is up - you meant to say "delusional" not deluded

    BeSmart is correct that most college football pundits consider 1970 as the delineation of the "modern" era. It is no coincidence that it also corresponds to LaVell Edwards' forward pass revolution. College football has changed a lot since 1970, and I wouldn't be surprised if a new designation is given for the current modern era of uptempo, spread offenses--which may be closer to 2001. But until then, 1970 is still the marker.

    This last win was a long game with plenty of back and forth. Definitely an exciting game, but not something I want to see every game (too stressful). I like the scoring, but I would like it to keep increasing until it develops into the likes of Baylor and Oregon, consistently in the 70's. We're a long way from that, but I can keep dreaming.

    Go COUGS!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    Define the eras how ever you want. There's just one era where byu had the upper hand, LaVell's.
    He's been gone longer than he was head coach.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    @love the kitties
    I repect Utah's all time record but a lot of people say "common era football" did start in 1970.

  • LoveTheKitties The Middle Of, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    @Surf is Up
    Why stop there?
    All time 31 W 59 L 4 T = 37.1%, that is barely 1 win out of 3 attempts.

  • LoveTheKitties The Middle Of, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin
    Where have you been? This is the BEST SCHEDULE EVER! No team from the old WAC, middle WAC, or new WAC has ever had a schedule like this. I think that all we need to do is win 8 maybe 9 games and BCS here we come!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    Surf is Up,

    Since I grew up in happy valley and Layton is as far as I have ever lived from byu, I don't consider it trolling when I read a byu article, unlike you, in Miami, trolling Utes articles.

    Today I'm here in response to the first 2 comments on this board...Who's using who as a measuring stick?

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    @ekute or ironic that U folks claim to have moved on but... well here U are trolling articles about BYU trying to convince yourselves that U are 'all that'.

    An in answer to your question: When was the last time BYU beat the kids on the hill? The answer is 2009.

    I love how U guys love to use the last 12 years as the measuring stick for ute success against BYU. Nothing really exists beyond Y2001. If you were to start at the commonly accepted beginning of the Common Era of NCAA Football (1970) the tally is still BYU 29, utes 14

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    "Unlike U, BYU fans don't base BYU's entire success on the head-to-head with Utah."

    Ironic statement when the first 2 comments under a byu article are demeaning to the Utes.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    Once again "Chris" just because U reside in a BCS conference doesn't mean U are playing BCS quality opponents every week. This is where your logic is intentionally flawed.

    I realize you say this junk to get a rise out of folks, but if you really believe that the utes face superior "BCS" quality opponents every week from within the PAC12 then you are deluded.

    And your utes have yet to prove they even belong in the "conference of chumpions" having beaten only one winning team the duration.

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    ekute, don't kid yourself; the U isn't the most important game on our schedule, but BYU is the most important one on yours. I know it sounds cliche, but with independence, the most important game is the one happening this week. I hate the inexcusable loss to the U, and it was the most important game of the season back then, but we've moved on, maybe you should too. As always, our season is much more than one game; I hope your couch is comfy so you can watch one Utah team play in December.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    ekute

    "Ironic statement from one who incessantly demeans the team that they lose their most important game to every year."

    Ironic statement from a fan of a team that supposedly "moved on" from BYU over three years ago - BYU is still THE most important game on Utah's schedule. It's the ONLY game Utah fans have talked about incessantly since joining the PAC.

    Unlike U, BYU fans don't base BYU's entire success on the head-to-head with Utah.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    No sweat, folks, Utah had their bowl game this year in Provo and their signature win in SLC. Stick a fork in them, they're done.

    At 1-3 I'd be looking for excuses as to how superbly strong their conference was, too. Who'd have thought that Oregon State, losing to a lower tier team, would beat the Utes in SLC? Then again, who's have thought Colorado would beat them soundly two years ago?

    I guess the Utes miss the good old WAC.....even though they didn't win that, either.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    In 37 years, the Utes only won 2 WAC championships, yet now they have the audacity to demean the "old WAC".

    Ironic statement from one who incessantly demeans the team that they lose their most important game to every year.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    Hey Chris have a look at the 2016 schedule.

  • el guapito Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    USC's 2014 schedule has three or four quality teams and 2 patsies. No need to schedule Montana or Idaho when you have the two new PAC teams to beat up on and you get to keep all the money in the PAC.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    When was the last time U finished with a better record and higher ranking than your big brother?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    When was the last time you won a football game vs your Little Friends On The Hill?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    SportsFan

    "One more example of our little friends from the hill demonstrating their massive inferiority complex - the Utes were no more competitive in the WAC than they've been in the PAC."

    True.

    In 37 years, the Utes only won 2 WAC championships, yet now they have the audacity to demean the "old WAC". LOL!

    What's really ironic is that in their desperate attempt to marginalize the WAC, now MWC, they're simply marginalizing the only accomplishments the Utes have ever had on a national scale. Even more evidence of just how meaningless Utah's 2004 bcs busting season really was. The Utes only beat three teams with winning records to qualify for the Fiesta Bowl, and two of those teams were "weak" 7-5 teams from the "old WAC".

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    byu has a lot of non-conference games to schedule, thank goodness for the good old WAC.

  • eelek62 SANDY, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    Chris B - Are you including Notre Dame, a national championship contender, albeit not as good this year, in your "lower quality teams" category?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    One more example of our little friends from the hill demonstrating their massive inferiority complex - the Utes were no more competitive in the WAC than they've been in the PAC.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    @Chris B - just wondering, did the NCAA set a rule for independents that whatever schedule they make for 2014 must be "here to stay" for the program? Only programs affiliated with conferences have schedules that are "here to stay." Whereas BYU has the potential to schedule all tough opponents, Pac-12 teams will always be locked into playing Washington State, Cal, Colorado, and Utah - which I know you count as BCS teams. And don't kid yourself - they all schedule non-BCS patsies for the majority of their non-conference games.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    byu's 2014 schedule has three BCS teams and 9 lower quality teams

    Looks like this quasi-WAC schedule is here to stay

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    A lot of what BYU is doing schedule-wise lately is a reminder of the good old WAC days.

  • evansrichdm west jordan , UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    Got to admit this season has had its ups and downs so far, which is what makes this game so much fun to watch and cheer for. I do feel that something great is start to grow with BYU. We will not see the full furits of that growth this season, but I do have this feeling that the next couple of years with Hill as QB and some of the young def player coming to their own that we will have a great couple of years on in BYU football, our best days are ahead of us.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    As with Utah's loss to ASU, unfortunately. RIP, Frank Kush!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 10:48 p.m.

    Yes, it reminded us of WAC days, as did Utah's loss to Arizona.