Senator Lee, Repeat daily:"God grant me the serenity to
accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and
the wisdom to know the difference."(Reinhold Niebuhr)You
have much to learn.
‘Letters: Sen. Mike Lee's principled stand’I can
only hope it ends like:Custard's Little Big Horn, Napoleon's Waterloothe Alamo, and Thelma and Louise.
If I were a Democrat, I'd max out my donations to Mike Lee's
reelection campaign. He's doing more to destroy his own party with his
"principled" stands than any Democrat ever could.
It is interesting how these people complain about the government, yet they seem
to like the part of it the gives them power. Our country isn't being
overwhelmed by socialism. Sure, we should make changes to any program as needed,
but that isn't what republicans want. They want to take away anything that
benefits, not only the poor, but any average American. They then give all
entitlements to the wealthy and to big business! If 90% of the wealth is in the
hands of 1% of the people, it is safe to say that they are going to have to
share if we want the bills to be paid! Take away all entitlements to the poor
and guess what, we will still be right back where we began! It is all about what
people are worth. It is all about how we value each other and I am sick of
people who pretend to be such good Christians, but care nothing about others.
Yeah, lets just give up all the government that benefits the average American
and let the wealthy take it all! Lets play monopoly. Who do you think will win?
You mean like a law passed by the House,passed by the Senate,signed
by the president,and upheld by the Supreme Court,I did not
know prohibition still was being enforced.Lee supported passing new
legislation, allowed by the constitution. The idea that new laws that change or
effect old laws is a vote for tyrannical rule kind of like Hitler, Stalin,
Lenin, Mao, and Pol Pot. They passed the law no one can change it but them.
Where did your support for democracy go? Can't a majority change a law?
The House by a majority passed a new law affecting a previous law. The Senate
by majority did not pass the law by a majority. The House compromised and new
law was passed. That is how the constitutional legislative process works.
Nobody, trampled the constitution in this process. It is the way it is supposed
to work. As to posting under different usernames, I think I have
identified one with at least six different identities but that is another story.
Maybe you could ask him to identify all of them for us.
even though they used "Socialist" it in their name to win support from
the Unions. And the unions bought it and put him in power.
Has anyone heard of Senator Lee's current approval rating in his district?
I would be interested in knowing
Mr Richards, Mr Lee violated the very first paragraph of the Constitution. Of
course that's just my interpretation. Funny how Tranquility means so many
things to so many people."We the People of the United States, in
Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic
Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and
secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and
establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
I would like the Deseret New or KSL to fund a survey in Mike Lee's Senate
district to see what percentage of the residence "currently" support his
positions. There is nothing to fear is there? Truth is like sunrise in the
morning. Most of the comments are negative toward Senator Lee.One poster intimated that people sign in under different names and
slanted the comments. Former Governor Huntsman stated as I remember
only forty percent of the people in Utah "currently " support Lee's
positions.I would really like to see an "honest, non slanted
" poll telling us how the people in his district approve of his actions or
not.I feel it would be a news worthy item don't you?
@Mike Richards – “Those who can't read or won't read the
Constitution will continue to smear Mike Lee. The rest of us will thank him for
standing against all those, including Obama's "community
organizers" who frequenent these forums.”And I understand
(but don’t agree) with your disdain for our “Community
Organizer-in-Chief” but let’s not forget that he was also a
Constitutional Law Professor at one of the top law schools in the country.And let’s also try and remember that the SC upheld this duly
passed law and that it had nothing to do with the annual appropriations process
that funds most of the government (except those things that have dedicated
revenue like Social Security and yes, the ACA).So based on all that,
and almost 230 years of constitutional procedures for governing, are you quite
certain you know who is following the Constitution and who is stomping it under
their principled feet?And let’s not be too quick to assert God
is on our side… history is full of people who claimed this for loosing and
morally reprehensible causes (e.g. the pre-Civil War South).
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahThose who can't read or
won't read the Constitution will continue to smear Mike Lee. =========You mean like a law passed by the House, passed by
the Senate, signed by the president, and upheld by the Supreme
Court, And Mike Lee with-holds ALL Government spending unless he
gets HIS way?Trampling the Constitution is not the same as reading
it and interpreting it through your rose colored - politically biased and myopic
I admire Mike Lee's integrity. He doesn't say one thing to get
elected and do something else once elected (no surprises here). As far as
grandstanding to raise money this is a fallacy. The main source of $ would come
from the RNC and the Republican establishment and they certainly aren't
going to give him anything.
Principled, maybe. Doesn't mean it was the wise thing to do. If Obamacare
is so terrible, why not let it stand on it's own merits? So far, it's
failing in that regard.
At least we know who Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are now. Along with Rand Paul, Marco
Rubio, and others I'm glad some of these new politicians in D.C. are
trying to do something to muckrake that place, which it desperatly needs. Read
the list of Congressmen and Senators some day, and you will see names
you've never heard of from around the country. Then you will notice that
they have been there for years and years. Those people learned early on to just
sit quitely in the corner, make no waves, be good dependable votes for the
leaders, and they will get all the Washington D.C. goodies coming to them. I
don't want those guys going to D.C. and spend their time sitting on the
bench maintaining the status quo as so many do. I want them to grab the bat and
take some swings. Sometimes they will strike out, sometimes they will hit
homers. I hope they keep going and tell the likes of Hatch and McCain it's
time to retire.
Those who can't read or won't read the Constitution will continue to
smear Mike Lee. The rest of us will thank him for standing against all those,
including Obama's "community organizers" who frequenent these
forums. When so called "citizens" attack a Senator who is
doing his duty to uphold the Constitution, when they demand that their opinion
override the Constitution, they have much to apologize for. History
is not written at the moment that acts are "committed", but history will
be written when the true intentions of those who committed those acts are fully
understood. Those who attack the principles that govern America will be
included in the footnotes as those who also attacked the Constitution that God
permitted to be ratified on this Contenent for His purposes. They will be
numbered with those who used their mortality to fight against agency and
accountability. Senator Lee is numbered among the Patriots who put
duty above "situational ethics". If the "media" had the courage
to defend the Constitution as Mike Lee has, we would not be listening to those
in Washington who preach against our Constitution nor would we read in our
newspapers articles that smear true patriots.
The Senator when all in and shutdown government threatening not to open unless
the funded ACA was defunded. He lost. he owns it, and should resign.
This is promoting Tranquility? I think it's nothing more than fund raising
since he has offered no reasonable solutions to the issues at hand.
The last month has not been kind to Mr. Lee's poll numbers in his home
state, and he's even lost support of many influential business leaders who
backed him in 2010.Sun Tzu succinctly addressed the biggest problem
facing Mr. Lee and the Tea Party: "Tactics without strategy is the noise
before defeat."The last month has made it abundantly clear that
the Tea Party has no strategy for winning the GOP's civil war, much less a
"He is acting the part of a true statesman insisting on more than pretend
push back against the tidal wave of socialism that is sweeping America even
amidst calls by many self-styled conservatives to compromise."========= Wowzers!That's some carnival barking to put
even Joseph Goebbels to shame!And yes, the Nazis represented the
uber-far-right-wing.and No, they were Fascists, not Socialists - even
though they used "Socialist" it in their name to win support from the
Marxist: Although I am a conservative, I recognize that Mike Lee is way to the
right on the political spectrum. But I have to laugh when committed leftists
insist that Obama is somewhere in the middle. He is about as left as they come.
I guess to a marxist his policies make him seem like a "centrist's
centrist".Mike in Sandy: There are lots of us who support
conservative principles. We just don't spend all day logging in under a
dozen different user names, make similar comments, and "like" all the
other stuff we wrote so that it seems like there are lots more of us than there
History is full of people who stood on their principles and made others suffer
for it. The Ayatollah Khomeini comes to mind.
Statesmen work to get things done together. They meet in the middle, compromise.
It's those Kennedy-Hatch bills. That's not Mike Lee.
Great letter. I'm proud of Sen. Lee and Sen. Cruz for their courageous
stand on Constitutional principles.
Standing on principle is a good thing, but only if your principles are good.
Unfortunately, Lee's principles are a mixed bag, and by standing on the
worst of them, he imperils his party.
This letter reads like a summary of all the right-wing radio talking points. Did
he leave any out?Is there really any rational way to defend Mike
Lee? I mean, even Orrin Hatch is attacking him, now that the crisis is over.
Before it ended badly for the Republicans, I could have sworn Hatch was a tea
Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are more like the rebels of South Carolina. I'll
stand with the principles of Lincoln rather than those who would tear the nation
apart. I guess the real test for these mindless anarchists is when a President
is eventually elected (if it ever happens again) from their own party. Will
they still keep singing the same song, or will all their problems magically go
"The socialist takeover of America"Tell me about it! Every time I
go to Europe I feel so bad for those citizens. You can just see the sadness in
their eyes that they know they will never be burdened by unneccesarily large
healthcare costs. You can just see how badly they want to pay their own huge
medical bills.Also, some countries even cover the cost for college. Those
poor kids will never know the huge blessing that comes with tens of thousand of
student loan debt.Please, don't ever do those things in America. We
need our huge debts in order to find true happiness.
Wow...any supporters of this opinion out there?
In standard English, "may just save the Republican party" translates to
"leave the party in a smoldering heap of rubble".
"....may just save the Republican party from itself as it moves toward
abandoning substantive defense of its own platform in a descent to
irrelevance."Are you KIDDING? He is the best campaign manager
our next president, Hillary Clinton could ever hope for!
Mike Lee sets a bad example because he walked away from student loans and a
mortgage.He is too narrow-minded and tunnel-visioned to be an effective
Sorry, but a true statesman seeks common ground and compromise, neither of which
describes the self absorbed senator.
The problem with hyperbole (“a tidal wave of socialism”) is that
when used in place of accurate descriptions, when you actually see the real
thing you have no words left to describe it.Like those old
commercials showing a frying egg with the message “this is your brain on
drugs,” when I see letters like this full of doom & gloom and
self-righteousness (usually masquerading as Principle), the first thought that
comes to mind is – “this is your brain on fear-based media.”
Lee has no principles, unless you think that doing what is necessary to pander
to the far right so he can get money is a principle. Lee was playing politics
to pander to the far right. Nothing more, nothing less. As a result, the
country suffered. It's long past time to get Lee out of office.
"...ongoing socialist takeover of America..." What? Obama is a
centrist's centrist. The ACA is an attempt to save the private health
insurance business in the face of its nonperformance. Obama's foreign
policy is a carbon copy of Bush. Obama's patches won't
save capitalism, which is in its final epoch. I know this because wealth is
becoming ever more concentrated in fewer hands, corporations are getting bigger
and bigger, and wages are frozen. This is capitalism in its death throes. The writer will soon find out what socialism is really about (it's
not a bad as he thinks).