Owl@Happy Valley HereticWillful ignorance is judging an opinion on its
origin rather than on its merits.We Agree.
oldschooler,Re: "It has been rpoven that at .04% divers are already
impaired even if they pass a field sobriety test".It has been
proven that some Utah drivers are impaired at 0.0%, even if they pass a field
sobriety test.That said... IMO we should not be debating where the
line is and how close we can get to it and still drive. IMO if you are drinking
period... you should plan to not drive. You should get a friend to drive. If
you don't have a single friend in your life who isn't drunk... maybe
you need to get some new friends.I don't drink. If any of my
friends called me and the only options were them driving drunk or me coming to
get them... I'd go get them.
"Willful ignorance is judging an opinion on its origin rather than on its
merits."Yup. And this statement describes perfectly how
politics runs in this country on a daily basis.And partisan people
Happy Valley HereticOrem, UTWillful ignorance is judging an
opinion on its origin rather than on its merits.
Changing the subject to hand held devices from drunk driving is ignoring
reality. They are not mutually exclusive. For or against religion, which one
influences opinion most? Everyone has a basis for their opinions. Basing ones
opinions on religious values is no less valid than any other value system. We
have the Bill of Rights guaranteeing basic freedoms and to prevent tyranny of
Almost all EU nations prohibit use of handheld electronic devices while driving.
We should adopt the same as them right Zero tolerance with cellphones.Sorry Owl, there is very little done in Utah politics without religious
bias (ruzika unelected leader or the Utah GOP comes to mind) including those who
believe they are speaking for the church even when it goes against what the
church has officially said, because they know better. To ignore religious bias
exists in Utah, is just plain willful ignorance.
As I have said. I would much rather encounter a driver on the road who had a
couple of beers then I would someone who is texting.
That is one man's experience and not the basis for DWI limits or laws. Most
European countries have a 0.5% limit with some having a 0 tolerance. That and
strict enforcement have lowered their traffic deaths from DUI. I doubt that
"religious bias" was behind those decisions. To imply religious bias
exposes the bias of the commenter, although most religions have a bias against
traffic accidents caused by impaired drivers. Let's make legislative
decisions on reproducible data and not anecdotal comments or lobbying from
DUI - should mean DUI.Driving Under the Influence.Be it
alcohol, Cellphones or Texting, period.I see and nearly get
killed 100 times more via DUI texting than I EVER see impaired from alcohol.
@MidvalieanAmen to that. I can't wait for the day that I can get
wasted, and safely have my magic car drive me home.
Hey Matt, did you bother to look at the research that goes to support the idea
of a .05 blood alcohol level proponents are using. The National Transportation
Safety Board did a study where they looked at nations with a .05 BAC limit.
They found that once the lower limit was adopted that there were fewer drunk
driving accidents.Don't you want to reduce the number drunk
This would all be solved with Google Cars. Just saying. And also, this article
is right on spot. If you can pass the test, then great. Fact is there are
people who can drive better at .08 than some sober people. Tolerance to
alcohol has EVERYTHING to do with it. A teenage girl on her first beer drives
worse than an adult man on his 1st beer of the day. I have beer at lunch all
the time. Sorry to burst your bubbles but I'm fine to drive at a few
beers, this is verified by the fact that I can pass a field sobriety test.
I won't, but they should just make illegal to drive under the influence of
alcohol. It has been rpoven that at .04% divers are already impaired even if
they pass a field sobriety test. I am a DWI isntructor for the state of Texas
and most people go back top drinking and driving aas soon as they complete their
course, they continue drinking even during probation unless the interlock is
placed in thei vehocles or they have the manual device and they have to blow
every hour. How many more people needs to be injured or killed before lawmakers
do things right? it would happen until one of their own becomes a victim of
drinking and driving. Sad.
Thank you for an intelligent argument that provides a professionals experience,
and data to back it. Refreshing approach, instead of using emotion and
religious bias to pass an unnecessary adjustment to an already existing law.
Great comment. And right in line with all the data that I have read.