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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 23 2013 9:00 a.m. MDT

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Tyler D
Meridian, ID

“Will our children have enough food to eat? Will they be sent off to war in their lifetime? Will they succumb to a terrible disease or accident?”

I understand a certain level of anxiety about these questions Tiffany, but the fact is if we know our history and have a little perspective we should have less anxiety about these issues than at any time in the history of civilization.

When compared to any past ages we are far more secure, but I suspect many are not happy about it due to either a religious worldview or an addiction to fear-based media.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

If your head or heart tells you not to have children, I'd listen to that over a bunch of badgering relatives or anyone in church. The world isn't as 'wicked' as this article suggests but it is expensive and it demands a lot of time. Do us, and them, a favour; if you don't want 'em, don't have 'em.

J-TX
Allen, TX

I think every couple entertains these thoughts, doubts, fears at one time or another.

But in the eternal perspective, they're all coming to get a body anyway. Better they come to a family that wants them, can be there for them through trials and love them unconditionally.

If you are willing to make the sacrifices necessary, better they come to you than someone who made a mistake, or will mistreat, abuse or neglect them.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I agree with Hutteritte, the world really is not falling apart but if you are not sure you are ready to face the task of having children then don't let others force you into it.

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

This world is no worse or better than it ever has been since the 1st human set foot on it.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

Many are ever learning and never coming to a knowledge of the truth. This is more true now than ever in history. If wickedness includes accepting good for evil and evil as good, then the cumulative "wrongness" of this generation surpasses that of any other.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@gmileis

I would disagree I think we are becoming more just and compassionate society and therefore a less evil society.

IQ92
hi, UT

I doubt many persons have this or any other moral question on their mind at that particular moment.

rlsintx
Plano, TX

They'll accept truth and live it, or they won't.
That's the same as it has always been.
Might actually be easier to see the differences as society evolves and people are so out in the open.
Do your best with the situation you're in, things have never been easy; just different.

higv
Dietrich, ID

I know people that refuse to send there kids to school because of bad things there. Thing is our Heavenly Parents send us to a telestial world to learn Celestial principles. Since Cain and Abel there has been great people and evil. Popular to say things are getting so much worse. People have been saying that for millenia though. If that was true this would be a real bad place.

Dadof5sons
Montesano, WA

worried about the world you live in? afraid to bring children in to the world? Here is the answer want a better world for your children raise better children, that will make a better world. don't sugar coat it. Be a parent first not a friend. be tough on them teach them the 5 R's reading writing arithmetic, respect, and responsibility. Do the last two were the children have respect for others and themselves, and are responsible for their own choices and never let them play the victim game the world will be a far brighter place. Any thing else is a cop out for wanting to put some one else before yourself for ever.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

One would have to be pretty ignorant of world history to think things are worse now than they've ever been (particularly in Western Society).

The Scientist
Provo, UT

I have to agree with Dadof5sons when he writes:

"...raise better children, that will make a better world. don't sugar coat it. Be a parent first not a friend. be tough on them teach them the 5 R's reading writing arithmetic, respect, and responsibility. Do the last two were the children have respect for others and themselves, and are responsible for their own choices and never let them play the victim game the world will be a far brighter place. Any thing else is a cop out for wanting to put some one else before yourself for ever."

Because Christianity is fundamentally about having someone else take responsibility for ("pay for") your sins (you cannot save yourself from this lost and fallen state), it is repugnant to the principles of human morality. According the the doctrines of "the Fall" preached by Christian religions, every human is a "victim" and has a built in excuse for bad behavior: "we Mormons/Baptists/Catholics are not perfect, just forgiven/"chosen"/striving for eternal progression".

A better world comes from better morality than Christianity gives us.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

The Scientist

Really need to ask you about your last sentence. A better world comes from better morality than Christianity gives us. If you just mispelled "than" for "that" I understand. But if you think there is a better morality than what is taught by Christianity, please tell us all about it. Where does it come from. Who wrote it? Where is it applied? Who runs it today. And what is it called?

P.S. This "better morality" had better not include things like no murder, or stealing, and such, because religion, the Bible in particular has already set that foundation. Any new moral system would just be taking from the Judeo/Christian principles already established.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@SCfan – “This "better morality" had better not include things like no murder, or stealing, and such, because religion, the Bible in particular has already set that foundation.”

Yes, because prior to the Bible mentioning them, no one had a clue these things were wrong, right?

And these things were never mentioned either by any other group or society prior to Moses… not by the sages of India, not by the Chinese, not by the Persians or the Greeks (especially!) or any other society that somehow managed to climb out of the survival of the fittest jungle and create a cooperating society?

The fact is we would never have been able to get this far if our moral sentiments were not innate (or least naturally selected long before recorded history).

Religion did not invent morality… it hijacked it.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I suspect lots of parents wondered about having more kids during WWII. The world has burning up - literally. The future was dark - about as dark as it gets. Today the worry is different - the worry is not about war and bloodshed but rather a nation which has turned to socialism and the predicable economic implosion that IS happening. What sort of economic future do our kids and grandkids have under socialism? Maybe ask the parents in Greece?

donn
layton, UT

RE: Harry Potter books:
One of the easiest ways to know whether a fantasy book or film has real world magick in it is to just ask a simple question: “Can my child find information in a library or bookstore that will enable them to replicate what they are seeing in the film or the book?” If you go to The Chronicles of Narnia and the Lord of the Rings what you see in, story magic and imagination, it is not real. You can’t replicate it.

t Harry Potter, you can find references to astrology, clairvoyance, and numerology. It takes seconds to go into a bookstore or library and get books on that and start investigating it, researching it, and doing it. In fact, that’s why real Wiccans, real witches, and real occultists are using the popularity of Harry Potter to lure kids toward real world occultism.

A lot of parents are unaware at how easy it is to get books on witchcraft and spells, many of which are located right next to the Harry Potter books at bookstores?

antodav
TAMPA, FL

The main thing I like about this article is that the author takes an open mind and has a positive attitude towards Harry Potter, unlike so many other Christians, who oppose the franchise without ever having read the books or seen the movies. Although the ending of the series is terrible, it does teach very good lessons about good vs. evil, which any Christian parent who actually understands Christian values ought to appreciate (of course, that does implicitly exclude most Christians by default).

morpunkt
Glendora, CA

@patriot
Greece is a real slippery slope.

donn
layton, UT

@: antodav, Christians who oppose the franchise without ever having read the books or seen the movies. Wrong,
Order of the Phoenix tries to mitigate that by saying that anyone can become a great wizard, but once again, that involves learning the secret occult knowledge of how to do witchcraft and how to wave a magic wand properly.

The series is fictional and presented for the purpose of entertainment Is a little entertainment worth imbedding some very unfaithful ideas in the heads of children?

Sorcery is named specifically in Scripture as a violation of God’s law (Deuteronomy 18: 10-12; Galatians 5:20 and elsewhere), and its not a joke.

Harry does not think like a Christian in many other ways. He nurses and feeds grudges against his relatives and his rivals at school, and revenge is portrayed as justifiable.

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