Published: Wednesday, Oct. 23 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
On top of all that; its administered by a politicized and corrupt IRS.
This article just about sums up obama's entire presidency, nothing is going
the way he wanted it to. Worse healthcare, higher cost, fewer people actually
covered and the country left with even more debt and more bills to pay.
There are just some things that the government should try to leave to smaller
more efficient and self interested entities who know that doing well, they keep
their job, and doing poorly, they lose it. No one in the current administration
seems to be accountable for huge screw ups. Benghazi, IRS, NSA, Fast and
Furious, and now Obamacare. This is why the private sector is so much better at
handling jobs. The threat of losing a job is a great motivator that government
employees, even down to the school teacher level, don't usually have. Job
protection, usually coming from union involvement, creates a workforce that
produces medicore service or product. It's just human nature. Which
liberalism is so successful at exploiting to get votes.
Health care in general is in "need of a doctor"Unfortunately, the GOP just says NO and puts forth not replacement.Dont forget, even without the ACA healthcare costs are unsustainable.Push the GOP to draft replacement legislation, then we can talk about killing
the ACA.In the end, it is much easier to shoot holes in someone else
plan than to provide one of your own.
@ JoeBlow. You want Nordstrom quality healthcare at Wal-Mart prices? That is
impossible and even Obamacare can't do that. There are not enough taxpayers
and higher premium payers in the world to make up the cost difference. What we
will eventually end up with is lower quality healthcare for all. The laws of
economics can not be ignored forever, you will get what you pay for. There is no
such thing as something for nothing. We can't keep borrowing money forever!
The website needs help, not the actual program. Conservatives are a depressing
lot. If they had controlled things throughout American history, we would have no
independence from Britain, no Constitution, no single nation in the wake of the
Civil War, no freedom from the Nazis, no Interstate Highway system, no Social
Security, and the list goes on an on. We would be the Afghanistan of the the
This panic over the Affordable Healthcare is mostly hyperbole. The system is
just getting started and millions of uninsured people have taken an interest in
getting insured. Medicare and Social Security are well run, and
liked by most Americans. Give it some time and Obamacare will be running like a
well run machine, despite opposition and sabotage by conservative governors.
@ Esquire. Detroit is the perfect example of what happens when Democrats run
things. And now, just think, you can add Obamacare and the IRS and Benghazi and
fast and furious and NSA to your list of wonderful Democrat accomplishments!
"You want Nordstrom quality healthcare at Wal-Mart prices?"Nope.But today we have Walmart healthcare at Nordstrom prices. "The laws of economics can not be ignored forever, you will get what
you pay for."And I would be happy to "get what we pay
for". Many world measures suggest that we have the most expensive
healthcare and get far from the best results.That is what virtually
all data suggests. Sorry if it does not fit your narrative.
I can't wait for the central-planning liberals to add food, housing,
clothing, and a "living wage" job to the list of "constitutional
rights" that every American (legal or not) deserves and that the government
must provide.If you think $17 Trillion in debt is astronomical, just
give leftist ideologues like Obama, Reid, and Polosi a few more years of
government control. The sky is no longer the limit.
The entire rationale of Obamacare is to force some people to pay for Nordstrom
quality healthcare they themselves will not receive. Force is an evil principle
and is unjust. We have excellent medical care in America not Wal-Mart quality at
all as you assert, but it is expensive. Quality always costs more. Obamacare
will lower healthcare quality because it has to. Obamacare has no chance of
succeeding because it is unjust and unfair. What one receives by not working
means another person must work without receiving-totally unsustainable.
Mountanman, poor management is poor management. You can also cite the
bankruptcy of Orange County, California, the largest concentration of
Republicans on the West Coast.
Mountainman,You can slice it anyway you choose but you back up your
assertions with no data.According to the WHO, the US ranks FIRST in
"expenditure per capita" and ranks 38th based on 5 criteria. Feel free
to look them up, but they seem as fair as any.Now, I agree that if I
were rich and have a rare illness, I would want to be in the US. So, if that is your only criteria, you could have a point. For
example, the Royal birth in England cost $15k. The Average Childbirth without
complications is billed at $30K in the US. That is a problem that many want to
bury their heads in the sand rather than address it.The mentality
that "all is well" with our healthcare system is a characteristic of the
GOP.And it is completely illogical. (if one adheres to logic at
Joe Blow,The Democrats, particularly Obama, did not present his
health care plan in detail until after the election. It wasn't passed
until 2010, but even as congressmen voted, they had not read the bill to know
what was inside it.So why do you expect Republicans to present plans
to replace Obamacare before the election. Do you have a double standard?
Esquire, you are rewriting history. Consider the Revolutionary War. The
liberal "rebels" were rebelling against taxation without representation,
and the burdens (might we call them "regulations?" being forced upon the
colonies. When these "liberals" argued for a strong centralized
government, they weren't arguing for forced contraceptive coverage, but for
a strong, unified military to preserve the union.When Democrats
opposed the Civil Rights movement, was that your proof that conservatives would
have lost the union during the Civil War during the Republican Lincoln
adminstration?I fear that your post is full of revisionist history.
"So why do you expect Republicans to present plans to replace Obamacare
before the election. "No double standard here.The
GOP has been screaming REPEAL and REPLACE for years now. I have no problem with
replacing the ACA with something better.But, lets see it. Heck.
They haven't penned any proposed legislation.Our current system
is unsustainable.And most of us believe that Repeal and Replace
really means Repeal and go back to what will surely fail our country.
It's in need of a doctor. One that looks upon me not as a payer but a
patient and participant. One that sees my health as an asset that is beneficial
to society, and the health of every other person in society equally so. One that
sees health as a service, not a commodity. One that recognises that this is more
important than anything else we can do as a society. Obamacare is in need of a
doctor, a hospital, a society and an attitude. It'a in need of an
improvement in all of us.
@liberal larry:"This panic over the Affordable Healthcare is mostly
hyperbole."The problem with the Affordable Care Act is that we
can't afford it. It will drive the US into another, deeper recession. And
we're not even out of the last one. What it amounts to is a huge tax
increase on every American citizen... which will either go to pay for an
insurance policy or to the government as a penalty (tax) for not buying a
policy. "The system is just getting started and millions of
uninsured people have taken an interest in getting insured."And
millions are being thrown off their current, less expensive insurance policy and
are forced to buy a more expensive one... with high co-pays and deductibles."Medicare and Social Security are well run..."They're both going broke."Give it some time and Obamacare
will be running like a well run machine..."The death panels are
being set up as we speak.
Socialized health care is coming one way or another. The health care status
quo is not sustainable - too many are left with no or inadequate coverage.
Moreover, private pharma is not willing to come forth with a new line of
antibiotics to fight the "superbugs" which are already upon us. The
public cannot afford to allow this, and will demand socialized drug research and
To "JoeBlow" even nothing is better than the ACA. The problem is that
we don't need a replacement for the ACA, we need less government intrusion
in health insurance. Right now there are over 2200 mandates. The mandates do
little more than increase costs, and cause insurance companies to drop needy
people.As an example of how the regulations backfire, here is one
from my family. During the 1980's my brother developed juvenile onset
diabetes. Insurance covered him without any problem, this was why my Dad was
self employed. After the government added 1000 mandates, insurance companies no
longer covered people on the individual market who have diabetes.To
"marxist" so you agree that we are now on a race to the bottom with
socialized health care. One thing you should ask yourself is this: If
socialized care is so good, why are some of the nations with socialized care
encouraging private insurance and care for their citizens?To
"Esquire" what do you mean the ACA doesn't need fixing? We were
told that it was going to lower insurance costs. So far in 45 of 50 states
costs have risen by an average 73%.
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