On top of all that; its administered by a politicized and corrupt IRS.
This article just about sums up obama's entire presidency, nothing is going
the way he wanted it to. Worse healthcare, higher cost, fewer people actually
covered and the country left with even more debt and more bills to pay.
There are just some things that the government should try to leave to smaller
more efficient and self interested entities who know that doing well, they keep
their job, and doing poorly, they lose it. No one in the current administration
seems to be accountable for huge screw ups. Benghazi, IRS, NSA, Fast and
Furious, and now Obamacare. This is why the private sector is so much better at
handling jobs. The threat of losing a job is a great motivator that government
employees, even down to the school teacher level, don't usually have. Job
protection, usually coming from union involvement, creates a workforce that
produces medicore service or product. It's just human nature. Which
liberalism is so successful at exploiting to get votes.
Health care in general is in "need of a doctor"Unfortunately, the GOP just says NO and puts forth not replacement.Dont forget, even without the ACA healthcare costs are unsustainable.Push the GOP to draft replacement legislation, then we can talk about killing
the ACA.In the end, it is much easier to shoot holes in someone else
plan than to provide one of your own.
@ JoeBlow. You want Nordstrom quality healthcare at Wal-Mart prices? That is
impossible and even Obamacare can't do that. There are not enough taxpayers
and higher premium payers in the world to make up the cost difference. What we
will eventually end up with is lower quality healthcare for all. The laws of
economics can not be ignored forever, you will get what you pay for. There is no
such thing as something for nothing. We can't keep borrowing money forever!
The website needs help, not the actual program. Conservatives are a depressing
lot. If they had controlled things throughout American history, we would have no
independence from Britain, no Constitution, no single nation in the wake of the
Civil War, no freedom from the Nazis, no Interstate Highway system, no Social
Security, and the list goes on an on. We would be the Afghanistan of the the
This panic over the Affordable Healthcare is mostly hyperbole. The system is
just getting started and millions of uninsured people have taken an interest in
getting insured. Medicare and Social Security are well run, and
liked by most Americans. Give it some time and Obamacare will be running like a
well run machine, despite opposition and sabotage by conservative governors.
@ Esquire. Detroit is the perfect example of what happens when Democrats run
things. And now, just think, you can add Obamacare and the IRS and Benghazi and
fast and furious and NSA to your list of wonderful Democrat accomplishments!
"You want Nordstrom quality healthcare at Wal-Mart prices?"Nope.But today we have Walmart healthcare at Nordstrom prices. "The laws of economics can not be ignored forever, you will get what
you pay for."And I would be happy to "get what we pay
for". Many world measures suggest that we have the most expensive
healthcare and get far from the best results.That is what virtually
all data suggests. Sorry if it does not fit your narrative.
I can't wait for the central-planning liberals to add food, housing,
clothing, and a "living wage" job to the list of "constitutional
rights" that every American (legal or not) deserves and that the government
must provide.If you think $17 Trillion in debt is astronomical, just
give leftist ideologues like Obama, Reid, and Polosi a few more years of
government control. The sky is no longer the limit.
The entire rationale of Obamacare is to force some people to pay for Nordstrom
quality healthcare they themselves will not receive. Force is an evil principle
and is unjust. We have excellent medical care in America not Wal-Mart quality at
all as you assert, but it is expensive. Quality always costs more. Obamacare
will lower healthcare quality because it has to. Obamacare has no chance of
succeeding because it is unjust and unfair. What one receives by not working
means another person must work without receiving-totally unsustainable.
Mountanman, poor management is poor management. You can also cite the
bankruptcy of Orange County, California, the largest concentration of
Republicans on the West Coast.
Mountainman,You can slice it anyway you choose but you back up your
assertions with no data.According to the WHO, the US ranks FIRST in
"expenditure per capita" and ranks 38th based on 5 criteria. Feel free
to look them up, but they seem as fair as any.Now, I agree that if I
were rich and have a rare illness, I would want to be in the US. So, if that is your only criteria, you could have a point. For
example, the Royal birth in England cost $15k. The Average Childbirth without
complications is billed at $30K in the US. That is a problem that many want to
bury their heads in the sand rather than address it.The mentality
that "all is well" with our healthcare system is a characteristic of the
GOP.And it is completely illogical. (if one adheres to logic at
Joe Blow,The Democrats, particularly Obama, did not present his
health care plan in detail until after the election. It wasn't passed
until 2010, but even as congressmen voted, they had not read the bill to know
what was inside it.So why do you expect Republicans to present plans
to replace Obamacare before the election. Do you have a double standard?
Esquire, you are rewriting history. Consider the Revolutionary War. The
liberal "rebels" were rebelling against taxation without representation,
and the burdens (might we call them "regulations?" being forced upon the
colonies. When these "liberals" argued for a strong centralized
government, they weren't arguing for forced contraceptive coverage, but for
a strong, unified military to preserve the union.When Democrats
opposed the Civil Rights movement, was that your proof that conservatives would
have lost the union during the Civil War during the Republican Lincoln
adminstration?I fear that your post is full of revisionist history.
"So why do you expect Republicans to present plans to replace Obamacare
before the election. "No double standard here.The
GOP has been screaming REPEAL and REPLACE for years now. I have no problem with
replacing the ACA with something better.But, lets see it. Heck.
They haven't penned any proposed legislation.Our current system
is unsustainable.And most of us believe that Repeal and Replace
really means Repeal and go back to what will surely fail our country.
It's in need of a doctor. One that looks upon me not as a payer but a
patient and participant. One that sees my health as an asset that is beneficial
to society, and the health of every other person in society equally so. One that
sees health as a service, not a commodity. One that recognises that this is more
important than anything else we can do as a society. Obamacare is in need of a
doctor, a hospital, a society and an attitude. It'a in need of an
improvement in all of us.
@liberal larry:"This panic over the Affordable Healthcare is mostly
hyperbole."The problem with the Affordable Care Act is that we
can't afford it. It will drive the US into another, deeper recession. And
we're not even out of the last one. What it amounts to is a huge tax
increase on every American citizen... which will either go to pay for an
insurance policy or to the government as a penalty (tax) for not buying a
policy. "The system is just getting started and millions of
uninsured people have taken an interest in getting insured."And
millions are being thrown off their current, less expensive insurance policy and
are forced to buy a more expensive one... with high co-pays and deductibles."Medicare and Social Security are well run..."They're both going broke."Give it some time and Obamacare
will be running like a well run machine..."The death panels are
being set up as we speak.
Socialized health care is coming one way or another. The health care status
quo is not sustainable - too many are left with no or inadequate coverage.
Moreover, private pharma is not willing to come forth with a new line of
antibiotics to fight the "superbugs" which are already upon us. The
public cannot afford to allow this, and will demand socialized drug research and
To "JoeBlow" even nothing is better than the ACA. The problem is that
we don't need a replacement for the ACA, we need less government intrusion
in health insurance. Right now there are over 2200 mandates. The mandates do
little more than increase costs, and cause insurance companies to drop needy
people.As an example of how the regulations backfire, here is one
from my family. During the 1980's my brother developed juvenile onset
diabetes. Insurance covered him without any problem, this was why my Dad was
self employed. After the government added 1000 mandates, insurance companies no
longer covered people on the individual market who have diabetes.To
"marxist" so you agree that we are now on a race to the bottom with
socialized health care. One thing you should ask yourself is this: If
socialized care is so good, why are some of the nations with socialized care
encouraging private insurance and care for their citizens?To
"Esquire" what do you mean the ACA doesn't need fixing? We were
told that it was going to lower insurance costs. So far in 45 of 50 states
costs have risen by an average 73%.
To "JoeBlow" you are quite wrong about the US healthcare system.We are paying the Nordstrom prices, and we are getting the Nordstrom
quality.The US has the most technologically advanced healthcare
system. We also have the ability to react to and treat illnesses the quickest
after diagnosis.The US is also has the highest cancer survival rate
in the world.On top of all of that, if you remove accidental deaths
from the count, the US has the greatest longevity in the world.All
of that was made possible under a system that 80% of the population liked. That
is better than the approval ratings for Obama, Congress, the Democrats, or
Republicans.On top of all of that, we had the Nordstrom system of
healthcare that was affordable to 99% of the population (only 2.5 million of the
45 million uninsured cound not afford insurance or qualify for government
programs).Why should we dismantle the best system and join the
Walmart club that the rest of the world shops at? Are there people you want to
see die on wait lists or die as a result of inadequate cancer treatments?
Yes, let's go back to poor people having car washes and bake sales when
their family gets sick.Love thy neighbor - just not that much.
RE: RedShirt "To "marxist" so you agree that we are now on a race
to the bottom with socialized health care. " I am saying that the
for-profit system cannot handle the biological whirlwind which is descending on
us - presently antibiotic resistant bacteria and viruses and anthropomorphic
climate change which aids and abets it. I agree these are not welcome changes,
but they are here. I don't see how private sector only health care can
MarxistQuote from Winston Churchill"The inherent
vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of
socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."And that's just
"socialism". Imagine what Marxism brings? Oh that's right, we
don't have to imagine. The old Soviet Union already showed us.
When it comes to programing an operating system there are a few basic rules
that are always true.1. If someone cannot explain how the system is
supposed to work the programmers cannot write the code to generate the desired
result. 2. Adding to the scope of the project in the middle of the
project will always create delays, increase the cost and increase the number of
problem areas. People were told of the negative impact.3. There are
always people who know what is working, what isn't working, what has been
tested, what hasn't been tested and where the system will or is most likely
to fail when it is rolled out.4. Someone or group of someones made a
decision that it was better to go live even though the system had significant
flaws than it was to postpone the go live date....5. When things are not
going well, somewhere there is someone using their position/title as a reason
why things needed to happen on time vs. dealing with the core issue that is
causing the trouble.It isn't believeable that the website
problems were s surprise to those involved.
I struggle to understand how anyone will believe that the ACA will lower
healthcare costs and insurance premiums for all but a very small minority of the
people involved. The way it is explained it appears to be no differnt from a
perpetual energy machine that supposedly produces more energy than it consumes.
Sounds great but it isn't real and doesn't exist. If you look around
you will always find a cord plugged into a wall outlet somewhere that
wasnt' mentioned....Obamacare is no different. Reasonably priced
insurance and healthcare for everyone sounds great but the ACA cannot deliver
it. The hidden costs will be huge and for a country that is already 17 trillion
in debt we cannot afford it.
@m.g. scott:"Quote from Winston Churchill: 'The inherent vice of
capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism
is the equal sharing of miseries.'"That's only the
half of it under Obamacare. We are losing medical professionals, we are losing
jobs, we are losing the 40 hour work week, and the young who are supposed to
sign up to pay the medical bills for the elderly are not signing up [they'd
rather pay the penalty (er, tax)]. Not to worry though, the penalty is designed
to increase every year until it equals or exceeds insurance premiums. And what
are we gaining? Death panels. If you're old (or when you get old) the
government will decide if you will get expensive health care such as a knee
replacement and whether you will live or die. Just get a wheelchair or go home
and take a painkiller (Obama's own words).
@BYU Furnitureman:"I struggle to understand how anyone will believe
that the ACA will lower healthcare costs..."The Obamacare
savings was supposed to come from the 30 million or so Americans who didn't
have/couldn't afford health insurance and who go to (free) costly emergency
rooms for simple stuff like a cough or an errant hang nail. The simpler
solution would be to direct these folks to a free health clinic. Most areas
have at least one.
I liked a cartoon a saw that showed a complicated diagram of many of the issues
within the ACA. It than showed the "GOP Plan" on the right which was
simple. "Get Sick and die penniless"If people think they have a
better way to organize healthcare, then they need to make suggestions that have
been asked for since the concept of the ACA began. The ACA is a work in progress
and it's a good start. Anything is better than doing nothing and tearing
the good ideas apart. I am going to have health insurance for the first time in
seven years since I became self employed and was denied a personal plan due to
"pre-existing conditions". That is going away now and is a very good
To "Kimber" why does the GOP have to come up with a plan? Would you
trust a decision by the janitor about how treat your cancer? The problem is
that politicians don't understand teh free market, so they keep trying to
conrol it and bend the free market to their will (fascism). If the politicians
simply repealed Obamacare, and let the free market work, then you would end up
with real solutions because if company A can offer a cheaper and more attractive
product than company B, they will so that they can generate profits.With the government policies that were added through Obamacare, company A must
deliver the same product as company B. The only way to improve things is to
find ways to make your product cost less. The Government doesn't like
that, so they are controlling the price too.To "marxist" it
is the private sector that can and will handle those problems. It wasn't a
government program that developed penicillin or is working on the next
generation of chemo therapy drugs. The solutions are coming from the private
sector. Ask yourself, how innovative was the USSR in comparison to the US?