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10 years later, Ravi Zacharias to speak at Mormon Tabernacle again

Published: Monday, Oct. 21 2013 8:20 p.m. MDT

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Red
San Antonia, TX

People who are anti-family are anti-Christ.

It is a slippery slope.

Whose side are you on?

CWEB
Orem, UT

We all think we know so much...yet we can't even agree on the spelling of potato...potatoe.

We can't create so much as a gnat, or give life to anything of our own creation...yet we boast

in how much theological upper-handmanship we have in our little pea brains. It would do us

all well to say more prayers, and hope for the best in whatever we profess to believe...and

out and help our neighbor....Leave the politicians and theologians who argue, to their own

feeble attempts to convince the world of their truth. Light your "light" so shine.

brokenclay
Chandler, AZ

"Trinity" is simply a term which serves to encapsulate and represent the teachings of a large body of Scripture. For this reason, whether the term is found in Scripture or not is irrelevant. Mormons do the same thing in employing terminology not specifically found in their writings. To say that Constantine developed this theology as well as the term homoousios is a gross misrepresentation of history, especially in light of the fact that Constantine was baptized by an Arian bishop, and most of the emperors that followed him were Arians who persecuted the orthodox church. Orthodoxy survived IN SPITE OF the Roman leadership of the fourth century.

One of the issues of dialoguing with Mormons is that they are not familiar with technical evangelical doctrinal terms. Just because Mormons believe in some sort of atonement does not mean that they believe in penal substitution. They most emphatically do not.

Albert Mohler is one of the great leaders of modern evangelicalism. He is uncompromising, and this is evidenced by excerpts from his speech in this article. The LDS and evangelicals do not share the same eternal destiny.

JLFuller
Boise, ID

The man says "we won't go to heaven together" but that is OK. He just doesn't know better... at this point in his existence anyway.

elarue
NEW YORK, NY

For those of you who think this isn't a very dangerous slippery slope, consider our own history. We ourselves were persecuted when our religious beliefs were opposed by those of other faiths. What will happen here is that conservative Christians will claim to be the victims of religious oppression, and they will convince our people to side with them, and then when they've won, they will turn on us and betray us and claim that for us to exercise our religious freedom is an attack on their religious freedom. This whole "religious freedom" quest is nothing more than Satan trying to trick us into destroying ourselves, and we should have no part of it.

morpunkt
Glendora, CA

@brokenclay
To accept the concept of the 3 in 1 Trinity is what I once believed in, as a former Protestant.
I converted to the LDS faith, in large part, because I often wondered why Christ, while agonized in the Garden of Gethsemane, prayed "not My will, but Thine will be done". This clearly indicates 2 separate entities. If not so, Jesus would have been schizophrenic. No disrespect in that jest.
The great minds of yesteryear knew of the fallacy of the Trinity, as well. Sir Isaac Newton, who, by the way, was a great scriptologist, as well as the greatest legacy to science, refused to accept the Trinitarian concept, even is his day, despite great pressure to do so, from the Church of England.
I am uncompromising in my viewpoint as much as Mr. Mohler is in his. The divide between us is still there, and has a long way to go to mend fences and work with the LDS, especially after the masses of Evangelical backed Santorum's campaign and permanently bruised Romney's. Now, both of our camps have to deal with the Obama agenda, which bodes poorly for us both.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

He came to BYU and he said Mormon and Evangelicals will not go to heaven together. I guess that he probably meant that he thought Mormons are going to Hell. Oh well, no biggy. He has his opinion and his audience disagreed. The cool thing about BYU is that they are tolerant. If he said that about a lot of other groups he would be shunned. People on this forum are denying that such a thing is happening but I keep reading about specific instances where people are getting forced out of business, fired, bullied for having viewpoint that are contrary to the contemporary political dogma.

I think that different faiths should reach out to members of other faiths and form networks. I would hope that those networks would include Moslems.

It reminds me of an oral tradition from about 400 years ago from a South Pacific island, smaller tribes banded together to resist a larger tribe. It is wonderful the perspective that one can get from genuinely embracing diversity.

TA1
Alexandria, VA

Please stop with the articles on Religious Liberty being under attack - it is simply not true and the more that the DN keeps writing about it - the more people will be turned off. The younger generations have started walking out the door. I have seen too many returned missionaries leave the Church. Please - Write about real problems please - maybe about how we can all do a better job of helping each other.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Spite makes right? The enemy of my enemy is my friend, as the proverb goes? Baptists can suddenly put aside disdain for Mormon belief when they urgently seek allies? Is identifying an object of mutual hate the sole common ground for this sudden ‘ecumenical’ spirit?

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Now if only they had a real enemy instead of the faux persecutions happening all in their minds.

Ranch
Here, UT

@americanalatina13;

I really couldn't care less what you preach in your churches, but it belongs in your church, not in our laws. Passing laws that favor your religious beliefs violates the religious beliefs of others. The fact that you're not willing to acknowledge this leads me to believe you don't care about the beliefs of others.
If one's religious beliefs preclude them from providing the product or service that is their core business to certain groups, they should choose a different business because religious bias is not a valid reason to deny your product or service to your customers.

@Vince Ballard;

If your church can't even be forced to marry active, but unworthy, heterosexual members, how could it possibly be forced to conduct same-sex marriages?

@Red;

LGBT have families too.

morpunkt
Glendora, CA

@TA1
FYI- As we speak, the Church of England is having to fight a lawsuit against charges of discrimination for refusing to marry a gay couple.
Read the news my friend. It's already happining across the pond. The agenda is ultimately vengeful.

Downtime
Saint George, UT

He is exactly right. We are not going to the heaven together. I am going with my wife. But, he will be given the opportunity to accept the gospel in its fullness and go with his wife.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@morpunkt – “I often wondered why Christ, while agonized in the Garden of Gethsemane, prayed "not My will, but Thine will be done."

Perhaps rather than being an ontological statement it is a psychological statement.

Spiritual teachers throughout history have said similar things about “getting their own ego out of the way and letting God work through them.”

I know Christians believe Jesus was wholly unique but when reading the Bible without all the Christian doctrine metaphysical presuppositions, he sounds remarkably similar to many spiritual geniuses who came before and after him.

CortM
HOUSTON, TX

In "How The West Really Lost God", Mary Eberstadt makes a credible argument that the core problem is a breakdown in the family: secularization has come because the family has imploded, not because religion is under attack. When religious values are not being established at home, they do not get established in the wider culture.

It's easy to blame Secularization and shadowy conspiracies for the erosion of religious values. It's a lot more difficult to admit that we have failed our families, by failing to teach and to live religious values. Half the babies in America are born out of wedlock. Americans spend nearly $5 billion a year on online pornography (and per capita, more of that is spent in Utah than in any other state). It's naive to assume that all that stuff is only happening in "bad" homes. On both ends of the spectrum, personal biases and political viewpoints masquerade as Christian values. We do what we want, when we want, and claim it's God's will.

Then, when we find ourselves mired in a Godless world, we blame the state, or the media, or the Communists. The enemy is us.

RG
Buena Vista, VA

@ Ernest T. Bass
"It is a complete falsehood that people and societies are getting worse. It's not even debatable."

I guess you have never lived in North Korea, or in Nazi Germany.

@ all the people who think religious liberty is not under threat: many posters have already identified instances in this country and in other Western, democratic countries where it is under threat. Amazingly brutal things have happened in this world in countries once deemed safe and prosperous. Don't think it cannot happen, or hasn't already begun.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Secularism is not out to put you, Mormons, or anyone else in jail together, Reverend Mohler. It’s what guarantees your right to adhere to your faith and your theological agenda.

morpunkt
Glendora, CA

@ Tyler D
Jesus' ontological, (state of being), never changes. He mission never waivered. I don't see your point. The concept of the 3 in 1 is purely Greek-philosophical in origin, mingle with scripture.
Ontological experiences can happen for us mere mortals, but not the Godhead. It is one in purpose, just a the LDS church rightly professes.

J-TX
Allen, TX

@ brokenclay: "The LDS and evangelicals do not share the same eternal destiny."

Uh, we're OK with that.

It's like a few years ago, when the Church responded to the Vatican's decision that the Roman Catholic Church would accept as valid those baptisms of major Protestant sects, but not that of the LDS Church, "We are neither offended nor concerned."

InclusiveConsolation
LAYTON, UT

As a practicing Mormon, I find consolation in my firm belief that, contrary to speaker Mohler's assertion, devout Mormons and Baptisits can end up "going to heaven together" despite theological differences in this life. I am grateful for a doctrine of inclusiveness rather than one of exclusivity.

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