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10 years later, Ravi Zacharias to speak at Mormon Tabernacle again

Published: Monday, Oct. 21 2013 8:20 p.m. MDT

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Susan in VA
Alexandria, VA

Having been a Baptist in another life.... I find this so scary that it may drive me from the Church I love.

Lilly Munster
netherlands, 00

Why would anyone celebrate a commonality of having the same biases; believing that Our Constitution is limited to religious prejudices, and available to ONLY some people? Marriage is, has been, and will always be a State function in the United States. Are you prepared to bow to Catholic Doctrine when Latino Catholics dominate this nation? (and they will) If you advocate religious beliefs affecting civil marriage, then prepare to bow to the Vatican.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

I don't know about going to jail together but they're both wasting a lot of time and energy.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

"Going to get worse"
Why do religious people continue to state that falsehood?
There isn't any way shape or form in which society is worse now than it was in biblical times.
I challenge anyone to name a past culture of civilization that treats other humans better than our current one.
Aside from irrational wars in far away lands, we are so much better off than we've ever been.
2,000 years ago 97% of the Jewish people were illiterate. The life expectancy was half what it is now. Diseases that are now treatable of even gone were rampant.
It is a complete falsehood that people and societies are getting worse. It's not even debatable.

Louisville, KY


Just as a matter of clarification, the year 325 is the fourth century.

American Fork, UT

It seems people are opposing pulpit oppression regardless of where it comes from. There's no nobility in claiming victim status because your old power is waning, but I guess some comfort in the idea it's affecting others who used to get away with it, as well.

Hank Pym

Is it just me or are Religious institutions like the squirrelly little brat in every neighborhood who starts a lions share of the trouble?

Then, when others challenge him, he runs and hides screaming blue murder all the way.

centerville, UT

"Wolf, wolf, wolf."

In sheep's clothing, in sheep's clothing, in sheep's clothing...


J-TX: You assume, just because I say that religious liberty is _not_ under attack in America, that I am a non-believer? I am a temple recommend holding member of the church. The fact that just because I sound "liberal," you assume that I'm non-religious is, contrary to your claim, proof that I'm spot on. It is also proof that church members' collective addiction to conservativism is the worst thing that could happen to the church, and we should denounce it outright.

From Ted's Head
Orem, UT

I find it odd that detractors object to churches attempting to protect their religious liberty from future attacks. It's not hard to see the hatred that some hold towards organized religion, and it's not irrational to think that those same people would press forward to take part in destroying organized religion if they could. That they represent a minority is true...however we can see with the gay agenda that a vocal minority can sway enough of the majority to achieve its goals. It won't be mobs and tar-and-featherings...it will happen in court. The LDS Church and others will continue to call homosexual intimacy a sin--even after it is the law of the land--and the gay community and its supporters will seek to silence or punish their critics for this "hate crime" against a protected class. An additional liberal to SCOTUS and religion's freedom of speech will be curtailed. Churches will defy the new laws and will lose their tax benefits, right to assemble, and their leaders jailed as God is removed from American government. Not next year or even in ten years...but possible within a generation.

andrew h
Twin Falls, ID

"You have confused a war on religion with not getting everything you want." –Jon Stewart


From Ted's Head - why do we object to churches trying to "protect" religious liberty? Because they are claiming that their religious liberty is under attack as a means to assault other people's religious liberty. Religious liberty is meant to be for all Americans (yes, even those who choose to practice no religion), not just a select few who view their religion as superior to others. Which is, incidently, why we have the 1st amendment in the first place.

Anytown, KY

@Hank Pym

It's just you. Seriously, I read your analogy and thought, "Huh?"

Most Truthful and Patriotic
Layton, UT

"unprecedented and ominous" attacks on religious freedom".

Keep scarin' 'em, and they'll keep throwing money at your corporate religion.

andrew h
Twin Falls, ID

"I have to say, as someone who is not a Christian, it's hard for me to believe Christians are a persecuted people in America. God willing, maybe one of you one day will even rise up and get to be president of this country - or maybe forty-four in a row. But that's my point, is they've taken this idea of no establishment as persecution, because they feel entitled, not to equal status, but to greater status." –Jon Stewart

Reasonable Person
Layton, UT

When the Supreme Court ruled against institutionalized prayer in schools, it was a relief to my Presbyterian family in Utah -- who now did not have to listen to the "majority religion's" prayer in schools.

Religion belongs in the home, and you practice it by how you live YOUR life.
You do not practice your religion by insisting that others publicly follow it, or imposing its rules on all.

Glendora, CA

It's a crying shame that these key leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention didn't see the need to be united, during the last presidential campaign. Very large numbers of their Evangelical faithful backed the losing campaign of Rick Santorum, instead of Mitt Romney, just because of Romney's Mormonism. I heard them say it, just here in my town in So.Cal. One can only imagine how it must have been in the Bible Belt. This paved the way for another easy victory for Obama's people, who now champion the agendas of organizations who stand for ideas contrary to both of our faiths. I think they finally realized the grave mistake they have collectively made. Too little, too late, I'm afraid.

provo, UT

To those who think religious liberty is not at risk, that persecution only happened in the past, please pull your head out of the sand.

It is not just those who do not participate in homosexual marriages who are losing their businesses, it is the all-out assault on anyone speaking or doing anything in public who attends a church that preaches traditional marriage.

It is in zoning laws that prohibit the building of churches (of course they don't come out and absolutely ban them, the regulations just become so costly and burdensome that it becomes impossible to build or add onto any religious facilities).

It is found right here on these pages with the overt attacks on faith. Their goal is to eliminate people of faith from the public square.

Alexandria, VA

Correct me if I'm off on my interpretation, but I read Mohler's words to mean something to the effect of, "I think you're going to [the place of fire and brimstone mentioned throughout the Bible but is unable to make it through the filter], but I have no problem using you when our interests occasionally align."

Fear mongering like this rubs me the wrong way. Mohler's hyperbole is the type of thing that has no place in political or theological discussion. (I do not condone that kind of language in LDS circles either.)

Vince Ballard
South Ogden, UT

It may seem far fetched at the moment, BUT, there have been several times in L.D.S. history when Constitutional rights meant nothing when the public was seized by a mob mentality. The presumption of: "it can't happen here" always makes my hair stand on end. I believe this is why L.D.S. leaders are very nervous about legalizing same sex marriage; it may eventually be forced on us.

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