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10 years later, Ravi Zacharias to speak at Mormon Tabernacle again

Published: Monday, Oct. 21 2013 8:20 p.m. MDT

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Florissant, MO

I am so glad that churches are working together on what things they share and believe, we need religious unity and harmony to fight off the evils of the world that are becoming stronger and stronger.

The Caravan Moves On
Enid, OK

This Baptist minister is 100% right:

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, ie, before the Savior of the world returns.

May we each, no matter our unique sects and branches of God-fearing religion, keep the faith that God has given us.

Good luck....

Way of the Warrior
Arlington, WA

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" = a sandy foundation on which to build a bond or friendship.

Salt Lake City, UT

I'm glad to see these two groups working together. We seem to have long forgotten that the First Amendment states Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a religion or (more importantly)prohibiting the free practice thereof. When you examine it pragmatically, separation of Church and State (which is not in the Constitution itself) means stopping anyone from practicing their religion, even on government property, is a clear violation of the First Amendment. Of course those who blindly devoted to the alleged separation clause choose to conveniently ignore that part of the Constitution.

Puyallu, Wa.

Playing the victim card because religion can’t be the tail that wags the dog of government. Simple as the nose on your face.

Jim n' Puyallup

Brooklyn, NY

Religious liberty is not going anywhere. It is protected under the First Amendment. I am not worried the government will lock the doors to my church. I am not worried they will censor church leaders. The only law he came up with, was two states banned mental health workers from saying homosexuality is wrong. Again, how is this imposing on what I believe? I can teach my children what I choose and so can the leaders from the pulpit. It may be unpopular but it's not illegal.

I think young kids are leaving the dogma of these types because the message of fear isn't resonating with them. If the strategy doesn't change, younger generations will keep leaving. Are things really worse than they were in the sixties? Most have better lives, more opportunities, more freedoms, and greater access to information. I don't think the sky is falling. Maybe I'm wrong.

Huntsville, UT

" "… only those with the deepest beliefs and even the deepest differences can help each other against the encroaching threat to religious liberty, marriage and the family."


Wolf, wolf, wolf.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

My top 10 words are; you, me, give, God, love, beauty, earth, compassion, gratitude and justice. I think we can unintentionally, intentionally do things because of belief. Blinded by greed or any of the 7 deadly sins. The spirit of things [you matter] or the golden rule can be unintentionally changed to you by evil, that wants that to be the spirit of things, than you don't matter any more. No more smiles, betrayed, by lies.

Bountiful, utah

...that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that "they draw near to me with their lips but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form or godliness, but they deny the power thereof."

Salt Lake City, UT

The Emperor Constantine introduced the term, homoousious , which defined the Son as “consubstantial” (one being) with the Father. Neither term or anything like it is in the New Testament. Harper’s Bible Dictionary entry on the Trinity says “the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the New Testament.”

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

In this day and age Christians as well as Buddhists, Hindus and many other religions must stand together to thwart the global jihad. Evangelicals have been very successful in Africa and South America to my understanding and I appreciate their missionary efforts. Mormons have a right to their own beliefs, but must stand with other Christians such as the Coptics in Egypt.

Bakersfield, CA

True, a sandy foundation, but Mohler stated up front 'we're not going to the same heaven together'. At least he doesn't do squishy, feel-good friendship that downplays the divide.

The Biblical Cross and Calvary separates our theological message from Joseph's Gethsemane and "After all we can do" rewrite.

Mohler will keep the important distinctives crystal clear. It isn't the evangelicals who seek to be accepted into the LDS camp. As long as we're clear on our Gospel differences, friendship and fighting for good causes is possible.


This is preposterous! Religious liberty is _not_ under attack in America, and it's right wingers that are trying to paint themselves as victims of attacks on religious liberty in order to try to scare Americans into subscribing to their agenda, which is far more threatening to the family than anything they're trying to scare us about. Even if gay marriage becomes legal, no one is going to force churches to perform them, and we need to stop acting like they are, or we're going to find ourselves threatened by something far more dangerous to our families - Paul Ryan's budget!

Boston, MA

In the United States, as I read American history, we are living in the greatest period of freedom and toleration that this country (and perhaps this world) has ever seen. We are very fortunate. Not every modern nation is so fortunate.

Yes, this also means that perspectives and doctrines that differ from our own will likewise have a voice and may gain adherents. That's what happens when you have a truly free marketplace of ideas. There will always be voices in every movement that seek to silence contrary opinions, but general decency and fairness (and the rule of law) will eventually prevail over such extreme views (at least for the time being). We ought to enjoy the sunshine while we have it as President Hinckley counseled us many years ago and let our light so shine before men that they may see our good works and glorify God.

"The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent..." (History of the Church, 4:540).

Salt Lake City, UT

Let's see we have a racial and religious majority that runs the government (you can't be an atheist and be a politician) claiming it is being persecuted by a minority and this minority is threatening "our way of life" by appealing to fear and this is pure ignorance...sounds like Germany in the 1930's. This going to jail or any persecution is utter nonsense.

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

Mr. Mohler, when you say "I believe that salvation comes only to those who believe and trust only in Christ and in his substitutionary atonement for salvation." What makes you think that Mormons do not believe that?

As a "card carrying" Mormon, allow me to quote from the LDS Book of Scripture called the Doctrine and Covenants. In it, we believe that Christ Himself is speaking to Joseph Smith. He says:

" 4 Saying: Father, behold the sufferings and death of him who did no sin, in whom thou wast well pleased; behold the blood of thy Son which was shed, the blood of him whom thou gavest that thyself might be glorified;

5 Wherefore, Father, spare these my brethren that believe on my name, that they may come unto me and have everlasting life." DC 45:4-5

I do not know where you got the false impression that Mormons do not believe in the atonement of Christ. We may have differences of opinion on the importance of Greek Philosophy on the nature of God, but never doubt that Mormons believe that the Son of God Jesus Christ willingly gave His life so we could find mercy.

JD Jones
Salt Lake City, UT

The persecution complex among the religious is irrational.

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

From the Book of Mormon, the missionary Amulek illustrates the LDS belief in, as you put it, "substitutionary atonement": (slightly edited for space)

8. . . Behold, I . . . know that Christ shall come among the children of men, to take upon him the transgressions of his people, and that he shall atone for the sins of the world; . . .

9 For it is expedient that an atonement should be made; for according to the great plan of the Eternal God there must be an atonement made, or else all mankind must unavoidably perish; . . .

10 For it is expedient that there should be a great and last sacrifice; yea, not a sacrifice of man, neither of beast, . . . but it must be an infinite and eternal sacrifice.

. . .

14 . . . and that great and last sacrifice will be the Son of God, yea, infinite and eternal.

15 And thus he shall bring salvation to all those who shall believe on his name; . . ., to bring about . . . mercy, which overpowereth justice, and bringeth about means unto men that they may have faith unto repentance.

16 And thus mercy can satisfy the demands of justice, and encircles them in the arms of safety, Alma 34:8-16

Allen, TX

elarue: You are on the wrong side of every point you make here. Truly yours is the voice of the World. The mere fact that a non-believer takes the time to comment on religious articles such as this and in this way is the very evidence against your arguments.

Onlythecross: Interesting that those who most loudly decry Mormonism as a man-made theology desperately cling to and fly the banner of a trinitarian doctrine clearly created by men in the 3rd Century.

Richmond, VA

The war on God, faith, and religion will continue to wage on because Satan never sleeps but in the end, God will prevail and justice will be served to all accordingly. As far as heaven is concern, we may not all go there hand in hand but we will all be there. Religious affiliation doesn't matter, whether you're Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, Mormon, atheist, or whatever! All will be saved in heaven because that's the free gift afforded to all through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Now as to what level or degree of glory in heaven one gets depends on how valiant our efforts were while on the earth as far as keeping and obeying the commandments of God. Thus heaven is not a place where all will share and share alike as many believes. Each will receive his due rewards according to his own deeds and works done while alive here on earth. Only those who have received the fullness of the gospel and are found worthy and valiant in their testimony of the Savior, are destined for exaltation in the highest degree of glory in the Celestial Kingdom in heaven.

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