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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 22 2013 8:15 a.m. MDT

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Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@BeSmart

This is funny two BCS bowl wins does not make a good program.
I doubt Hawaii and Northern Illinois are considered top flight programs and neither are Boise, TCU and Utah.
Boise is considered the best of those 5 because of continued success, and consistent national rankings.

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Boise would struggle in a Big 5 league just like Utah and TCU.

When did I say Utah was a top flight program?

Apparently, 5he only top flight program is BYU, with no undefeated seasons in the BCS era, no BCS bowls, not BCS Bowl wins, no top 10 finishes, 0-4 vs Utah, TCU 0-4 vs TCU, 0-3 Boise.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Cougar76

We will never know, now will we? That's conjecture, Utah beat 4 teams ranked in the top 25. There schedule was ranked stronger than BCS schools Iowa, Arizona, North Western and Kansas State. It was one spot behind Penn State. I know it's difficult to do, but give credit where credit is due. It was a great season and they played a good schedule.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Uteology

BYU has a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy winner, 6 National Hall of Fame Players, and 17 AP Top 25 finishes, including 4 in the Bronco/Kyle era.

What have U got?

2 bcs bowl wins, one that is clearly vastly over-rated, 5 lifetime AP Top 25 finishes, and a losing record in the PAC.

Bronco is 9-8(53%) versus PAC teams.
Kyle is 12-17(40%) versus PAC teams.

It is what it is.

Deal with it.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@LonestarRunner

First it was in the MWC now it's after TCU joined the MWC?

Why did you leave off top 5 finishes or BCS wins?

Your "Average MWC Standing" is wrong. In 2010 BYU 7-6 was the 5th best team in the MWC even though you finished tied in the MWC with Air Force 9-4 and San Diego 9-4.

Your "Top 15 Finishes" is also wrong. BYU finished AP #16 in 2006, Utah #18 was as good 2009.

2010: 10-3 vs 7-6 (+3 U)
2009: 10-3 vs 11-2 (+1 Y)
2008: 13-0 vs 10-3 (+3 U, 4th Title, BCS win)
2007: 9-4 vs 11-2 (+2 Y, 4th Title)
2006: 8-5 vs 11-2 (+3 Y, 3rd)
2005: 7-5 vs 6-5 (+1 U)
2004: 12-0 vs 5-6 (+7 U, 3rd, BCS win)
2003: 10-2 vs 4-8 (+6 U, 2nd)
2002: 5-6 vs 5-7 (U, head-to-head win)
2001: 8-4 vs 12-2 (+4 Y, 2nd)
2000: 4-7 vs 6-6 (+2 Y)
1999: 9-3 vs 8-4 (+1 U, tied in conference 1st title for both)

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Utah had one great, perfect storm season in 2008, but during the 2005 to 2010 period when TCU was a member of the MWC, Utah was a distant 3rd big dog to TCU and BYU.

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Not true. From the "perfect storm" season on:

1. TCU 36-3
2. Utah 33-6 (lost to @#6 TCU, @#12 BYU, @#11 Oregon, #2 TCU, #9 Boise, @#26 ND)
3. BYU 28-11 (lost to Arizona (8-5), FSU (7-6), @USU (4-8), @AFA, Nevada, etc.)

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

I am not claiming BYU is a top flight program.
The point of my comment was to state that top 25 rankings do matter.
Sorry not attacking any school.
BYU has more top 25 rankings in the last 10 years. Right?
Is that why they are favored in each BYU-UTAH matchup ( I know the utes won but this is off reputation)
My point was and is consistent rankings are what make a program.
I cheer for all Utah schools and try to be objective. I applaud Utah's accomplishments but top 25 rankings matter ( now bragging about being 30.25) that does not matter.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

Uteology
I have to counter your argument from the perfect season on.
against like opponents from 2006-2010
Utah 30-10 BYU 34-6
That is pretty even.
Looking back BYU no-conference schedule looks tougher than the U's

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Uteology

LOL at your convoluted spin.

You're the one who brought up TCU as "dominating" the MWC with Utah, yet the Horned Frogs didn't even join the conference until 2005; but, now you only want to count HALF the seasons TCU, BYU and Utah were in the conference?

Hilarious!

How about we only count BYU's ranked seasons in our calculations? I'm sure BYU's record would blow Utah's record out of the water in those seasons.

btw, BYU was Top 15 in the Coaches poll in 2006.

In fact, since 2006, BYU has had THREE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons (AP and/or Coaches polls); more 11+ win seasons than Utah has had in its entire history.

Tennisguy
West Bountiful, 00

I think some separation is starting to occur between the two programs - Utah has dominated the head to head matchups with BYU over the past decade and Utah clearly has the best athletes going through its program. If you don't believe me, check ESPN.com and search NFL rosters by school. The count is 20-7 in Utah's favor. BYU can only attract a certain type of athlete and clearly this type of athlete doesn't cut it.

Sparkley Briefs
New York, NY

Let's see, Utah has a win over a top 5 team and two good teams (BYU and USU with Keaton). BYU has wins over two good Texas teams, but was manhandled at home by Utah (go watch the tape before you tell me it was only 7 points, it wasn't close kids) and lost to a poor Virginia team. But because Utah went down in two nail-biters with top 25 teams, and a close one with another good team, somehow BYU is better? The logic doesn't add up.

I won't argue that Utah is better than Stanford, but will argue that they can stay close in games with very good teams and win a few. They are proving that on the field. BYU was not able to prove on the field that they were as good as Utah and until they knock off Wisconsin and ND, I will not believe that they are better than Utah. Prove it on the field, not a comment board!

sammyg
Springville, UT

sparkley

"The logic doesn't add up."

Go whine to the paid sports pundits, coaches, media, etc.

It is what it is. Your obsession over one game is a prime example as to why Ute fans don't get it and squawk the loudest, whine the most and can't move on.

You won, big deal, it doesn't end football for BYU but obviously Ute fans feel quite jilted with these rankings and deal poorly with BYU's ability to move on and improve. Our quarterback is blossoming quite well from the worst to now a top 10 QB you think?

Utes just beat Stanford and can't keep that lovin' feeling because they lose to the Oregon States and Arizonas of their conference. The looming beatdowns coming from USC, ASU and Oregon got to be morale boosters as well.

I don't care what you believe about who's better but when we read in the paper these rankings and when your team is home for the holidays and your on the couch mumbling "...but we beat those guys"... somehow brings a big smile to my face.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@LonestarRunner: "In fact, since 2006, BYU has had THREE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons (AP and/or Coaches polls); more 11+ win seasons than Utah has had in its entire history."

That's wonderful, who did you beat? This is the BCS era, even Hawaii and Northern Illinois have a BCS season.

TCU was better and accomplished much more yet they are struggling in Big 12.

Face the fact BYU can compete in the AAC/MWC/CUSA, but would be a "bottom feeder" in Big 5 leagues.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

sammyg

Springville, UT

sparkley

"The logic doesn't add up."

Go whine to the paid sports pundits, coaches, media, etc.

It is what it is. Your obsession over one game is a prime example as to why Ute fans don't get it and squawk the loudest, whine the most and can't move on.

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One game? He clearly stated the three big wins in order: #8 Stanford, USU (with Keeton), and @BYU.

Ute Nation can't move on? Then why is Cougar Nation crying for a rematch?

Priceless!

Jake2010
bountiful, ut

Quit with the calling UCF patsies! Perhaps for one season out of the last 4 they had an abysmal record... But, this season, in season is what matters, they beat #8 at #8's house! I don't care about BCS this that or the other... Truth is, that this season UCF could earn an automatic BCS bowl bid and enough on that... Talking smack about Utah better than BYU based on 54-10 shallacking within the same season as a victory at home over an FCS who cares and 4-5 in conference is just silly. It is time to wake up to the reality that BCS doesn't mean diddly! Yes, this season ya beat #5... But ya beat them at HOME! Irrelevant! Like was said on yahoo the other day... Stanford always seems to lose to a stiff every year that prevents them from playing for all the marbles... Something the PAC-12 has perfected during the duration of BCS championship game lifetime! This year will be no different. If Oregon should get lucky and play Alabama or the SEC rep in the championship game, they will lose. Of that we can be certain!

CG
Orem, UT

Despite the entertaining spin from the hill, the national media has already answered the question:

Re-ranking the college football teams: "Where do BYU, Utah and USU stand after week 8?"

Current Rankings: USA Today, CBS Sports, Sagarin, BCS standings, Composite(95 rankings)

BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, 24 - average 30.2
Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, 32 - average 40.6

Samurai Jake
Salt Lake City, UT

I'd like to reiterate Uteology's spot-on comment: If Ute Nation supposedly can't move on, then why is Cougar Nation crying for a rematch?

Additionally, if Ute Nation supposedly can't move on, then why is the majority of Cougar Nation attempting so many spins to "prove" on these comment boards that they're the better football team?

0-4 against the Utes is 0-4, no matter how you spin it. The Utes took care of the Cougs first, and are now focused on bigger and better things, namely securing 2-4 more PAC-12 wins, and getting back to their bowl-winning ways.

Go Utes!

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Samurai Jake

A rematch is unlikely since the upper limit for Utah appears to be the New Mexico Bowl versus Wyoming, while BYU is all but guaranteed a berth in the Kraft Bowl.

As far as proving better team, BYU fans don't have to spin anything regarding rankings, the national media have already spoken for BYU on that issue.

Current Rankings: USA Today, CBS Sports, Sagarin, BCS standings, Composite(95 rankings)

BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, 24 - average 30.2
Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, 32 - average 40.6

KH
Holladay, UT

Let's put this issue to bed on whether Utah or byu is better. The only question you byu fans need to ask yourselves is, Would byu have a better, equal, or worse record than Utah if they played Utah's schedule. The answer is, byu would have a worse record if they played Utah's schedule. Therefore, Utah is the better team. Let me illustrate:

byu vs. Utah St. = byu wins (because it happened on the field, even though Utah St. had no Keeton,
byu vs. Weber St. = byu wins
byu vs. #25 Oregon St. = byu loses
byu vs. Utah = byu loses (because it happened on the field, at byu's stadium)
byu vs. #9 UCLA = byu loses
byu vs. #5 Stanford = byu loses
byu vs. Arizona = byu probably loses - I think this one is up in the air.

Utah is 4-3 right now. byu would be 2-5, maybe 3-4. Utah is better. Even if byu won all of the games that Utah won, even beating Stanford, Utah would still be 4-3 and byu would be 3-4, because they lost to Utah.

tdlawton
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Some people really believe perception is reality and work hard to change perceptions...

Other people believe that results are reality and accept results as such...

It seems that BYU fans (and a few media members) are really working hard to find some (any) justification to deny a result we all saw on the field. Heck deny results we have seen on the field for over a decade.

Samurai Jake
Salt Lake City, UT

Marked it Down

A rematch being unlikely is vastly different than Cougar fans clamoring for it (which has indeed happened).

As far as CURRENT rankings proving byu is the better team, they mean next to nothing since the entire season hasn't been played out. Let's chat again at the end of the season.

As far as proving Utah's a better team head to head versus byu, the past four seasons in a row have already spoken for Utah on that matter.

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