Comments about ‘Re-ranking the college football teams: Where do BYU, Utah and USU stand after week 8?’

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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 22 2013 8:15 a.m. MDT

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@soonerute

BYU's SOS currently ranks 25th, utah's ranks 5th. If you are going to claim utah's SOS is accurate then you have to admit BYU's SOS is also accurate since it is the same people ranking both of them.

So tell me this, based on what do you consider the 25th ranked SOS to be "weak sauce"? A top 25 SOS seems pretty good to me, at least if you are going to believe SOS rankings.

It would appear your bitterness over utah's performance is weighing on your pscyche although I don't really know why as utah has performed much better overall than most people thought they would. utah "fan" delusion is a very interesting thing.

PAC 12 Punching Bag
SLC, UT

Why is anyone debating this? Everyone knows the only rankings that are real are recruiting rankings that rank Utah's recruits higher than BYU's. Team rankings are meaningless unless Utah beats a "ranked" team or Utah is ranked. If BYU is ranked it still means Utah is better and if BYU beats a ranked team it means that team never should have been ranked anyway. If Utah beats a ranked team it means that team was legitimately ranked because Utah beating a ranked team just proves how good Utah is.

It all makes perfect sense so why are you BYU fans even trying to debate it?

4 in a row!
Ogden, UT

It appears 4 in a row has caused some bitterness.

Congratulations, the better team must have won.

All we will have the next two years is rankings. Congratulations again.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Jimmy James

"For BYU fans to come on here and claim superiority after we've beat them 4 years in a row is pretty ridiculous."

Obviously, Utah's 4 straight head-to-head wins haven't impressed the national media. Slice it any way that helps you sleep at night, but it's not just BYU fans, it's the national media that says that BYU is BETTER than Utah.

Rankings: USA Today, CBS Sports, Sagarin, BCS standings, Composite(95 rankings)

BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, 24 - average 30.2
Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, 32 - average 40.6

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SoonerUte

"How about an article re-ranking schedules? BYU's "toughest season ever" has turned out to be weaksauce."

Utah SOS #5
BYU SOS #24

SOS is already calculated into the rankings and only a jealous, crimson glasses wearing Utah fan would try to characterize a Top 25 SOS as "weak sauce".

Versus FBS teams, BYU is 5-2
Versus FBS teams, Utah is 3-3

Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but nobody hands out trophies for SOS; in order to be rewarded for playing a tougher SOS you actually have to WIN!

32843
PROVO, UT

Spokane Ute meet Phoenix. Phoenix meet Spokane Ute.

"BYU's SOS is currently ranked #24.

Utah SOS rank since 2000:

76, 62, 75, 62, 67, 76, 73, 60, 56, 75, 50, 49, 41, currently #5".

Can we just say that this season both teams are playing a difficult schedule and stop trying to this silly SOS discussion?

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

It appears that constantly finishing behind the Cougars in records and rankings is causing a panic attack in Ute Nation.

Records and rankings are only be meaningful when they favor Utah.

Surf is Up
Miami, FL

@pac12ute4life It's hilarious how you can claim that utah is better than Arizona even though U lost to them, but you get all indignant when BYU fans say the same thing about U. And U lost to Arizona by more than BYU lost to U. Explain the logic behind your statement. I'd love to see a rematch in November based on Hill's improvement and utah's predictable decline.

The truth is (and U guys refuse to admit it) there is only one great team in the PAC12. And it certainly isn't U.

@KH, since you didn't tag a description to utah in your list of schedules let me do it for you.

utah: A team that pulls all the stops in order to beat BYU thus making their season worth while. And then, when the wheels come off for the rest of the season, they can feel good about themselves while they snipe at BYU from their couches as BYU plays in an ignominious non, BCS bowl game. But they still feel superior because if they could just win their conference (a pipe dream) they are automatically in the BCS.

worf
Mcallen, TX

I knew Utah fans would whine of their SOS. Bwah!! Should have stayed in MWC, but they couldn't beat Boise State either.

If you can't take the heat,--get out of the kitchen. Are the utes competitive in any sport?

UteinIdaho
Sandpoint, ID

Bold article.

Here's another bold statement. BYU will finish the season with a better overall record than the Utes.

Next bold statement, Utah's strength of schedule will be 30-40 spots higher than byu's.

Next bold statement, Utah beat BYU this year.

Next bold statement, Utah has won 4 in a row.

... Do I need to keep going?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ talkinsports

and conversely, head to head results don't matter when they favor Utah.

@32843

Sure, as soon as BYU fans acknowledge and accept that Utah beat BYU this year. Now Utah needs to beat some one else on the road. The Arizona loss felt like a punch in the stomach.

KH
Holladay, UT

Surf is up, you just gave the exact excuse that I said byu fans give every year in my first post, that byu fans say every year that byu is the better team and Utah just gets up for the game. Why did Kyle Van Noy say that the Utah game was their Super Bowl this year?

You think all the wheels fell off for Utah besides the byu game? What about beating #5 Stanford? I think Utah got up more for that game than the byu game. Why can't you just admit to yourself that Utah has been better the last 4 years, and the last 9 out of 12 years. When Utah loses to byu, which doesn't happen very often, I admit that byu is the better team.

byu has to be the only fan base in America that has lost to its rival 4 years in a row and still thinks they are the better team.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

UteinIdaho

"... Do I need to keep going?"

Yes, bottom line, BYU will once again be ranked higher, will have a better record, and BYU's SOS won't be anywhere close to 40 points lower than Utah's SOS.

Spokane Ute

Head-to-head results matter for bragging rights only, but unfortunately for U, one game does not a season make.

Despite the constant chest beating on the hill, Utah's 1-, 3- and 7-point wins in 3 of the last 4 BYU-Utah games are insignificant in the overall success of each team.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

Utes have bragging rights for the rivalry for the last 4 years. That is the truth.
The average ranking has BYU higher and again that is the truth.
Both fan bases can be proud of each one.
But the rivalry bragging rights do mean more (in my opinion).

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ SolomnLevi

You left out the 44 point win. I'm sure it was just an over sight. The BYU-Utah game is insignificant? OK, sure. Again, the Stanford win was far bigger then the BYU win. Unfortunately, Utah struggles on the road vs. conference foe; and that's the fact. BYU would too, make no mistake. I'm sure BYU fans wouldn't boast about a 4 game winning streak over Utah. Yeah, right. Bottom line, both teams are medicore. Utah beats BYU. BYU has more wins and a better record. Utah plays a slightly tougher schedule, buy BYU plays a good schedule. Both teams are destin to a low, low tier bowl. That's the sad, hard truth. I miss the days when both schools were in the top 25.

eelek62
SANDY, UT

I think BYU's loss to Virginia can be compared to Oregon State's loss to FCS team Eastern Washington. Oregon State should not have lost that game, but they did. Oregon State is one of the best offensive teams in the country, and is on the rise. By the end of the season, most people will have forgotten that embarrassing loss. I'm not saying that BYU and Oregon State are identical, but there are some similarities between the two teams. Both are improving, and started poor.

cougar76
Raleigh, NC

gdog3finally: Don't ignore the fact that u would not have two BCS bowl wins if you had to play BCS conference schedules to qualify.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Snack PAC
Why do Utah fans continue to spout whiny excuses about Utah's schedule being too tough, when even during their MWC days, BYU still finished with better records and higher rankings than the Utes who were playing the same SOS as BYU.

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Like I said, grind of Big 5 football is like Darwinism; which I don't expect you to understand.

Go ask TCU fans, maybe explain it to you.

As far as MWC, nice spin but you were not better in the MWC. The top dogs in the MWC were TCU and Utah.

* Final AP Rankings: Utah 4 BYU 5

* MWC Titles: Utah 4 BYU 4

* Better record while in MWC: Utah 7 BYU 5 (In 2002: Utah 5-6 vs BYU 5-7, Utah won head-to-head)

No matter how you spin it, having one more AP #25 ranking does not compare to two undefeated, top 5, BCS bowl win seasons.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

@Uteology
Top 25 rankings actually do matter.
How many people remember that Hawaii and Northern Illinois were in the BCS.
Not many.
Sustained, long term rankings are where reputations are made.
Remember when West Virginia was #1?
TCU was actually picked by some to win the Big 12.
This is funny two BCS bowl wins does not make a good program.
I doubt Hawaii and Northern Illinois are considerd top flight programs and neither are Boise, TCU and Utah.
Boise is considered the best of those 5 because of continued success, and consistent national rankings.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Uteology

"As far as MWC, nice spin but you were not better in the MWC. The top dogs in the MWC were TCU and Utah."

LOL!

2005 to 2010 (after TCU joined the MWC)

MWC Championships
TCU 3
BYU 2
Utah 1

Average MWC Finish
TCU 2.0
BYU 2.0
Utah 2.67

AP Top 25 Finishes
TCU 5
BYU 4
Utah 2

Top 15 Finishes
TCU 4
BYU 3
Utah 1

Utah had one great, perfect storm season in 2008, but during the 2005 to 2010 period when TCU was a member of the MWC, Utah was a distant 3rd big dog to TCU and BYU.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Lone Star

"perfect storm season", Yep, beating 4 top 25 teams, then 11-1 Alabama was a 100 year storm. Anything, and I mean anything but give Utah credit for an incrediable team and a perfect season that was earned. I'm sure the last 4 BYU-Utah games were perfect storms too.

LOL

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