This is typical. Utah Gets up for BYU and then suffers huge losses to USC and
Arizona. This is starting to look more and more like the Ron McBride era.
Early wins vs. BYU mean nothing. I have been saying it for years. It is not how
you start but how you finish. Maybe he utes can pull out a win against.
Perennial bottom dwellers WSU and CU.
CO UteBYU(6-2) is ranked #24 in Sagarin with a SOS of #21Utah(4-4) is ranked #39 with a SOS of #4Despite your clueless
spin, BYU's 2013 schedule is SIGNIFICANTLY tougher than ANY schedule Utah
has ever played, prior to this season.BYU has beaten THREE teams
this season that the Utes have NEVER beaten Texas(0-1), BSU(0-4), and
Houston(0-4), and let's not forget, the Utes barely beat Utah St at home
this year, and lost to the Aggies in Logan last year, and you barely beat Ga
Tech by 3 points in OT the last time you played the Yellowjackets.Even with BYU's schedule, it's very likely the Utes would be 4-4,
possibly even 3-5.Take off those crimson-colored glasses long enough
to see reality.
Spokane Ute,I would rather get owned by one team i.e. Utah and still have
a better record and go to bowl games then win four straight end up with worse
W-L records and stay home during bowl season!!! 6-2 and going bowling for the
9th straight year!!! Utah now 4-4 and in jeopardy of sitting home for the second
straight year and not having a winning conference record all three years in the
PAC12!!!Rise up!!! Go Cougs!!!
I am a Byu fan, but cougar fans have no bragging rights over Utah fans. Utah won
the game on the field, and therefore have all the bragging rights.
You can make all the analogies you want but two thing can't be argued.
First Utah beat both USU and BYU head to head this year. Second Utah's
schedule is significantly more difficult than either BYU or USU. If the Utes
played the Y's schedule their record would likely be very similar but that
is all speculation. BYU has a very long history of playing a schedule that
allows them to rack up a lot of wins and many times leads to a ranking in the
polls. This year is no exception and if they beat Boise tonight they will get
some votes, possibly even a ranking. Get back to me after the WI and ND games.
A win in either of those would be significant, two losses around two wins in the
other games doesn't make for a legitimate top 25 team.
Y and U fans....so funny! What would be awesome is if all the big 3 schools did
really well. That is what I'm hoping for! The U is a good team and they
are playing the hardest schedule. But the Y has a very legit schedule also.
Even USU had a brutal first half of the season!I hope every team in
UTAH ends up in a bowl game! U of U keep figuring things out you have a
good team!Y ....well just keep winning...Go Aggies!!! :-)
UteologyYour spin is hilarious.Utah is 0-4 versus
Houston.The last time Utah played Ga Tech the Utes barely beat them 30-27
in OT.And lets not forget, you lost to the Aggies in Logan last year.Bottom line, Utah could very easily be 3-4 versus BYU's schedule,
and that's assuming you didn't lay an egg in the rain and slop of
Uteology"The national media is AP, according AP rankings this
week Utah is better by three judges:Others receiving votes: Arizona
State 108, Notre Dame 82, Oregon State 79, Michigan State 73, Georgia 30, Ole
Miss 27, Florida 17, Utah 4, Washington 4, Texas 2, Ball State 1, Brigham Young
1"It's laughable that you chose to conveniently ignore the
other national poll, which also happens to be the official bcs final poll, since
the Utes were completely ignored by the Coaches:Others receiving
votes: Michigan State 102, Oregon State 91, Notre Dame 62, Arizona State 51,
Georgia 37, Ole Miss 17, Texas 11, Houston 6, Florida 4, BRIGHAM YOUNG 3, Ball
State 1, Boise State 1, Louisiana-Lafayette 1, Rutgers 1, Tennessee 1
Uteology"So Utah playing BYU's schedule would most likely
be:..."Don't kid yourself; Utah has proven time and time
again, that the Utes are capable of losing to ANYBODY, even a 10-loss UNLV team
that only beat one other team (another 10 loss team) all season and a 10-loss
Colorado team that hadn't won a road game in four years.Utah is
0-8 lifetime versus Washington; BYU is 4-4 versus Washington, including a win in
2010.Bronco is 9-8(53%) versus PAC 12 teams since 2005, including
wins over Oregon, UCLA, Washington, Oregon St, Washington St, and Arizona.Kyle is 12-17(41%) versus PAC 12 teams since 2005, including 0-2 versus
* Utah is 8-1 vs mid majors since joining the PAC-12 (only loss to ranked #18
Utah State)* Utah finished 33-6 in the MWC (only loses to AP #26 and
above)So Utah plying BYUs schedule would most likely be:@Virgina ... Travis can play in the rain... W@Texas ... lets just assume
Texas could tackle ... LBYU ... DOH! ... W@Utah State ... beat them
at RES and without Keeton an easy ... WMiddle Tennessee ... WGeorgia Tech ... beat them with a D2 QB, GT is 0-2 against us ... W@Houston ... we OWN mid-majors that are not ranked... W* Utah at
worst would be 5-1, and if Texas defense still couldn't tackle then 6-0.@Marked it Down: "As far as proving better team, BYU fans
don't have to spin anything regarding rankings, the national media have
already spoken for BYU on that issue."The national media is AP,
according AP rankings this week Utah is better by three judges:Others receiving votes: Arizona State 108, Notre Dame 82, Oregon State 79,
Michigan State 73, Georgia 30, Ole Miss 27, Florida 17, Utah 4, Washington 4,
Texas 2, Ball State 1, Brigham Young 1
Marked it DownA rematch being unlikely is vastly different than
Cougar fans clamoring for it (which has indeed happened).As far as
CURRENT rankings proving byu is the better team, they mean next to nothing since
the entire season hasn't been played out. Let's chat again at the end
of the season.As far as proving Utah's a better team head to
head versus byu, the past four seasons in a row have already spoken for Utah on
Some people really believe perception is reality and work hard to change
perceptions...Other people believe that results are reality and
accept results as such...It seems that BYU fans (and a few media
members) are really working hard to find some (any) justification to deny a
result we all saw on the field. Heck deny results we have seen on the field for
over a decade.
Let's put this issue to bed on whether Utah or byu is better. The only
question you byu fans need to ask yourselves is, Would byu have a better, equal,
or worse record than Utah if they played Utah's schedule. The answer is,
byu would have a worse record if they played Utah's schedule. Therefore,
Utah is the better team. Let me illustrate:byu vs. Utah St. = byu
wins (because it happened on the field, even though Utah St. had no Keeton,byu vs. Weber St. = byu winsbyu vs. #25 Oregon St. = byu losesbyu
vs. Utah = byu loses (because it happened on the field, at byu's
stadium)byu vs. #9 UCLA = byu losesbyu vs. #5 Stanford = byu
losesbyu vs. Arizona = byu probably loses - I think this one is up in the
air. Utah is 4-3 right now. byu would be 2-5, maybe 3-4. Utah is
better. Even if byu won all of the games that Utah won, even beating Stanford,
Utah would still be 4-3 and byu would be 3-4, because they lost to Utah.
Samurai JakeA rematch is unlikely since the upper limit for Utah
appears to be the New Mexico Bowl versus Wyoming, while BYU is all but
guaranteed a berth in the Kraft Bowl.As far as proving better team,
BYU fans don't have to spin anything regarding rankings, the national media
have already spoken for BYU on that issue.Current Rankings: USA
Today, CBS Sports, Sagarin, BCS standings, Composite(95 rankings)BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, 24 - average 30.2Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, 32 - average
I'd like to reiterate Uteology's spot-on comment: If Ute Nation
supposedly can't move on, then why is Cougar Nation crying for a
rematch?Additionally, if Ute Nation supposedly can't move on,
then why is the majority of Cougar Nation attempting so many spins to
"prove" on these comment boards that they're the better football
team?0-4 against the Utes is 0-4, no matter how you spin it. The
Utes took care of the Cougs first, and are now focused on bigger and better
things, namely securing 2-4 more PAC-12 wins, and getting back to their
bowl-winning ways.Go Utes!
Despite the entertaining spin from the hill, the national media has already
answered the question:Re-ranking the college football teams:
"Where do BYU, Utah and USU stand after week 8?"Current
Rankings: USA Today, CBS Sports, Sagarin, BCS standings, Composite(95
rankings)BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, 24 - average 30.2Utah: 51, 42,
35, 43, 32 - average 40.6
Quit with the calling UCF patsies! Perhaps for one season out of the last 4 they
had an abysmal record... But, this season, in season is what matters, they beat
#8 at #8's house! I don't care about BCS this that or the other...
Truth is, that this season UCF could earn an automatic BCS bowl bid and enough
on that... Talking smack about Utah better than BYU based on 54-10 shallacking
within the same season as a victory at home over an FCS who cares and 4-5 in
conference is just silly. It is time to wake up to the reality that BCS
doesn't mean diddly! Yes, this season ya beat #5... But ya beat them at
HOME! Irrelevant! Like was said on yahoo the other day... Stanford always seems
to lose to a stiff every year that prevents them from playing for all the
marbles... Something the PAC-12 has perfected during the duration of BCS
championship game lifetime! This year will be no different. If Oregon should get
lucky and play Alabama or the SEC rep in the championship game, they will lose.
Of that we can be certain!
sammyg Springville, UTsparkley"The logic
doesn't add up."Go whine to the paid sports pundits,
coaches, media, etc.It is what it is. Your obsession over one game
is a prime example as to why Ute fans don't get it and squawk the loudest,
whine the most and can't move on.-------------One
game? He clearly stated the three big wins in order: #8 Stanford, USU (with
Keeton), and @BYU. Ute Nation can't move on? Then why is
Cougar Nation crying for a rematch? Priceless!
@LonestarRunner: "In fact, since 2006, BYU has had THREE 11+ win, Top 15
seasons (AP and/or Coaches polls); more 11+ win seasons than Utah has had in its
entire history."That's wonderful, who did you beat? This
is the BCS era, even Hawaii and Northern Illinois have a BCS season. TCU was better and accomplished much more yet they are struggling in Big
12.Face the fact BYU can compete in the AAC/MWC/CUSA, but would be a
"bottom feeder" in Big 5 leagues.
sparkley"The logic doesn't add up."Go whine
to the paid sports pundits, coaches, media, etc.It is what it is.
Your obsession over one game is a prime example as to why Ute fans don't
get it and squawk the loudest, whine the most and can't move on.You won, big deal, it doesn't end football for BYU but obviously Ute fans
feel quite jilted with these rankings and deal poorly with BYU's ability to
move on and improve. Our quarterback is blossoming quite well from the worst to
now a top 10 QB you think?Utes just beat Stanford and can't
keep that lovin' feeling because they lose to the Oregon States and
Arizonas of their conference. The looming beatdowns coming from USC, ASU and
Oregon got to be morale boosters as well.I don't care what you
believe about who's better but when we read in the paper these rankings and
when your team is home for the holidays and your on the couch mumbling
"...but we beat those guys"... somehow brings a big smile to my face.
Let's see, Utah has a win over a top 5 team and two good teams (BYU and USU
with Keaton). BYU has wins over two good Texas teams, but was manhandled at
home by Utah (go watch the tape before you tell me it was only 7 points, it
wasn't close kids) and lost to a poor Virginia team. But because Utah went
down in two nail-biters with top 25 teams, and a close one with another good
team, somehow BYU is better? The logic doesn't add up.I
won't argue that Utah is better than Stanford, but will argue that they can
stay close in games with very good teams and win a few. They are proving that
on the field. BYU was not able to prove on the field that they were as good as
Utah and until they knock off Wisconsin and ND, I will not believe that they are
better than Utah. Prove it on the field, not a comment board!
I think some separation is starting to occur between the two programs - Utah has
dominated the head to head matchups with BYU over the past decade and Utah
clearly has the best athletes going through its program. If you don't
believe me, check ESPN.com and search NFL rosters by school. The count is 20-7
in Utah's favor. BYU can only attract a certain type of athlete and
clearly this type of athlete doesn't cut it.
UteologyLOL at your convoluted spin.You're the one
who brought up TCU as "dominating" the MWC with Utah, yet the Horned
Frogs didn't even join the conference until 2005; but, now you only want to
count HALF the seasons TCU, BYU and Utah were in the conference?Hilarious!How about we only count BYU's ranked seasons in our
calculations? I'm sure BYU's record would blow Utah's record out
of the water in those seasons.btw, BYU was Top 15 in the Coaches
poll in 2006.In fact, since 2006, BYU has had THREE 11+ win, Top 15
seasons (AP and/or Coaches polls); more 11+ win seasons than Utah has had in its
UteologyI have to counter your argument from the perfect season on.against like opponents from 2006-2010Utah 30-10 BYU 34-6That is
pretty even.Looking back BYU no-conference schedule looks tougher than the
I am not claiming BYU is a top flight program. The point of my comment was
to state that top 25 rankings do matter.Sorry not attacking any school.BYU has more top 25 rankings in the last 10 years. Right?Is that why
they are favored in each BYU-UTAH matchup ( I know the utes won but this is off
reputation)My point was and is consistent rankings are what make a
program.I cheer for all Utah schools and try to be objective. I applaud
Utah's accomplishments but top 25 rankings matter ( now bragging about
being 30.25) that does not matter.
Utah had one great, perfect storm season in 2008, but during the 2005 to 2010
period when TCU was a member of the MWC, Utah was a distant 3rd big dog to TCU
and BYU.------------Not true. From the "perfect
storm" season on:1. TCU 36-32. Utah 33-6 (lost to @#6 TCU,
@#12 BYU, @#11 Oregon, #2 TCU, #9 Boise, @#26 ND)3. BYU 28-11 (lost to
Arizona (8-5), FSU (7-6), @USU (4-8), @AFA, Nevada, etc.)
@LonestarRunnerFirst it was in the MWC now it's after TCU
joined the MWC?Why did you leave off top 5 finishes or BCS wins?Your "Average MWC Standing" is wrong. In 2010 BYU 7-6 was the
5th best team in the MWC even though you finished tied in the MWC with Air Force
9-4 and San Diego 9-4.Your "Top 15 Finishes" is also wrong.
BYU finished AP #16 in 2006, Utah #18 was as good 2009.2010: 10-3 vs
7-6 (+3 U)2009: 10-3 vs 11-2 (+1 Y)2008: 13-0 vs 10-3 (+3 U, 4th
Title, BCS win)2007: 9-4 vs 11-2 (+2 Y, 4th Title)2006: 8-5 vs 11-2
(+3 Y, 3rd)2005: 7-5 vs 6-5 (+1 U)2004: 12-0 vs 5-6 (+7 U, 3rd, BCS
win)2003: 10-2 vs 4-8 (+6 U, 2nd)2002: 5-6 vs 5-7 (U, head-to-head
win)2001: 8-4 vs 12-2 (+4 Y, 2nd)2000: 4-7 vs 6-6 (+2 Y)1999:
9-3 vs 8-4 (+1 U, tied in conference 1st title for both)
UteologyBYU has a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy winner, 6
National Hall of Fame Players, and 17 AP Top 25 finishes, including 4 in the
Bronco/Kyle era.What have U got? 2 bcs bowl wins, one
that is clearly vastly over-rated, 5 lifetime AP Top 25 finishes, and a losing
record in the PAC.Bronco is 9-8(53%) versus PAC teams.Kyle is
12-17(40%) versus PAC teams.It is what it is.Deal with
@Cougar76We will never know, now will we? That's conjecture,
Utah beat 4 teams ranked in the top 25. There schedule was ranked stronger than
BCS schools Iowa, Arizona, North Western and Kansas State. It was one spot
behind Penn State. I know it's difficult to do, but give credit where
credit is due. It was a great season and they played a good schedule.
@BeSmartThis is funny two BCS bowl wins does not make a good
program.I doubt Hawaii and Northern Illinois are considered top flight
programs and neither are Boise, TCU and Utah.Boise is considered the best
of those 5 because of continued success, and consistent national rankings.-------------Boise would struggle in a Big 5 league just
like Utah and TCU.When did I say Utah was a top flight program?Apparently, 5he only top flight program is BYU, with no undefeated
seasons in the BCS era, no BCS bowls, not BCS Bowl wins, no top 10 finishes, 0-4
vs Utah, TCU 0-4 vs TCU, 0-3 Boise.
@ Lone Star"perfect storm season", Yep, beating 4 top 25
teams, then 11-1 Alabama was a 100 year storm. Anything, and I mean anything but
give Utah credit for an incrediable team and a perfect season that was earned.
I'm sure the last 4 BYU-Utah games were perfect storms too.LOL
Uteology"As far as MWC, nice spin but you were not better in the
MWC. The top dogs in the MWC were TCU and Utah."LOL!2005 to 2010 (after TCU joined the MWC)MWC Championships TCU
3BYU 2Utah 1Average MWC FinishTCU 2.0BYU
2.0Utah 2.67AP Top 25 FinishesTCU 5BYU 4Utah
2Top 15 FinishesTCU 4BYU 3Utah 1Utah
had one great, perfect storm season in 2008, but during the 2005 to 2010 period
when TCU was a member of the MWC, Utah was a distant 3rd big dog to TCU and BYU.
@UteologyTop 25 rankings actually do matter.How many people remember
that Hawaii and Northern Illinois were in the BCS.Not many.Sustained, long term rankings are where reputations are made.Remember
when West Virginia was #1?TCU was actually picked by some to win the Big
12.This is funny two BCS bowl wins does not make a good program.I
doubt Hawaii and Northern Illinois are considerd top flight programs and neither
are Boise, TCU and Utah.Boise is considered the best of those 5 because of
continued success, and consistent national rankings.
@Snack PACWhy do Utah fans continue to spout whiny excuses about
Utah's schedule being too tough, when even during their MWC days, BYU still
finished with better records and higher rankings than the Utes who were playing
the same SOS as BYU.---------------- Like I said, grind
of Big 5 football is like Darwinism; which I don't expect you to
understand.Go ask TCU fans, maybe explain it to you.As
far as MWC, nice spin but you were not better in the MWC. The top dogs in the
MWC were TCU and Utah.* Final AP Rankings: Utah 4 BYU 5*
MWC Titles: Utah 4 BYU 4* Better record while in MWC: Utah 7 BYU 5
(In 2002: Utah 5-6 vs BYU 5-7, Utah won head-to-head)No matter how
you spin it, having one more AP #25 ranking does not compare to two undefeated,
top 5, BCS bowl win seasons.
gdog3finally: Don't ignore the fact that u would not have two BCS bowl
wins if you had to play BCS conference schedules to qualify.
I think BYU's loss to Virginia can be compared to Oregon State's loss
to FCS team Eastern Washington. Oregon State should not have lost that game, but
they did. Oregon State is one of the best offensive teams in the country, and is
on the rise. By the end of the season, most people will have forgotten that
embarrassing loss. I'm not saying that BYU and Oregon State are identical,
but there are some similarities between the two teams. Both are improving, and
@ SolomnLeviYou left out the 44 point win. I'm sure it was just
an over sight. The BYU-Utah game is insignificant? OK, sure. Again, the Stanford
win was far bigger then the BYU win. Unfortunately, Utah struggles on the road
vs. conference foe; and that's the fact. BYU would too, make no mistake.
I'm sure BYU fans wouldn't boast about a 4 game winning streak over
Utah. Yeah, right. Bottom line, both teams are medicore. Utah beats BYU. BYU has
more wins and a better record. Utah plays a slightly tougher schedule, buy BYU
plays a good schedule. Both teams are destin to a low, low tier bowl.
That's the sad, hard truth. I miss the days when both schools were in the
Utes have bragging rights for the rivalry for the last 4 years. That is the
truth.The average ranking has BYU higher and again that is the truth.Both fan bases can be proud of each one.But the rivalry bragging rights
do mean more (in my opinion).
UteinIdaho"... Do I need to keep going?"Yes,
bottom line, BYU will once again be ranked higher, will have a better record,
and BYU's SOS won't be anywhere close to 40 points lower than
Utah's SOS.Spokane UteHead-to-head results matter
for bragging rights only, but unfortunately for U, one game does not a season
make.Despite the constant chest beating on the hill, Utah's 1-,
3- and 7-point wins in 3 of the last 4 BYU-Utah games are insignificant in the
overall success of each team.
Surf is up, you just gave the exact excuse that I said byu fans give every year
in my first post, that byu fans say every year that byu is the better team and
Utah just gets up for the game. Why did Kyle Van Noy say that the Utah game was
their Super Bowl this year?You think all the wheels fell off for
Utah besides the byu game? What about beating #5 Stanford? I think Utah got up
more for that game than the byu game. Why can't you just admit to yourself
that Utah has been better the last 4 years, and the last 9 out of 12 years.
When Utah loses to byu, which doesn't happen very often, I admit that byu
is the better team.byu has to be the only fan base in America that
has lost to its rival 4 years in a row and still thinks they are the better
@ talkinsportsand conversely, head to head results don't matter
when they favor Utah.@32843Sure, as soon as BYU fans
acknowledge and accept that Utah beat BYU this year. Now Utah needs to beat some
one else on the road. The Arizona loss felt like a punch in the stomach.
Bold article. Here's another bold statement. BYU will finish
the season with a better overall record than the Utes. Next bold
statement, Utah's strength of schedule will be 30-40 spots higher than
byu's. Next bold statement, Utah beat BYU this year. Next bold statement, Utah has won 4 in a row.... Do I need to keep
I knew Utah fans would whine of their SOS. Bwah!! Should have stayed in MWC,
but they couldn't beat Boise State either.If you can't
take the heat,--get out of the kitchen. Are the utes competitive in any sport?
@pac12ute4life It's hilarious how you can claim that utah is better than
Arizona even though U lost to them, but you get all indignant when BYU fans say
the same thing about U. And U lost to Arizona by more than BYU lost to U.
Explain the logic behind your statement. I'd love to see a rematch in
November based on Hill's improvement and utah's predictable
decline.The truth is (and U guys refuse to admit it) there is only
one great team in the PAC12. And it certainly isn't U.@KH,
since you didn't tag a description to utah in your list of schedules let me
do it for you.utah: A team that pulls all the stops in order to beat
BYU thus making their season worth while. And then, when the wheels come off for
the rest of the season, they can feel good about themselves while they snipe at
BYU from their couches as BYU plays in an ignominious non, BCS bowl game. But
they still feel superior because if they could just win their conference (a pipe
dream) they are automatically in the BCS.
It appears that constantly finishing behind the Cougars in records and rankings
is causing a panic attack in Ute Nation.Records and rankings are
only be meaningful when they favor Utah.
Spokane Ute meet Phoenix. Phoenix meet Spokane Ute."BYU's
SOS is currently ranked #24. Utah SOS rank since 2000:76, 62, 75, 62, 67, 76, 73, 60, 56, 75, 50, 49, 41, currently #5".Can we just say that this season both teams are playing a difficult
schedule and stop trying to this silly SOS discussion?
Jimmy James"For BYU fans to come on here and claim superiority
after we've beat them 4 years in a row is pretty ridiculous."Obviously, Utah's 4 straight head-to-head wins haven't impressed the
national media. Slice it any way that helps you sleep at night, but it's
not just BYU fans, it's the national media that says that BYU is BETTER
than Utah.Rankings: USA Today, CBS Sports, Sagarin, BCS standings,
Composite(95 rankings)BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, 24 - average 30.2Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, 32 - average 40.6---------SoonerUte"How about an article re-ranking schedules?
BYU's "toughest season ever" has turned out to be
weaksauce."Utah SOS #5BYU SOS #24SOS is
already calculated into the rankings and only a jealous, crimson glasses wearing
Utah fan would try to characterize a Top 25 SOS as "weak sauce".Versus FBS teams, BYU is 5-2Versus FBS teams, Utah is 3-3Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but nobody hands out trophies for SOS; in
order to be rewarded for playing a tougher SOS you actually have to WIN!
It appears 4 in a row has caused some bitterness.Congratulations,
the better team must have won.All we will have the next two years is
rankings. Congratulations again.
Why is anyone debating this? Everyone knows the only rankings that are real are
recruiting rankings that rank Utah's recruits higher than BYU's. Team
rankings are meaningless unless Utah beats a "ranked" team or Utah is
ranked. If BYU is ranked it still means Utah is better and if BYU beats a ranked
team it means that team never should have been ranked anyway. If Utah beats a
ranked team it means that team was legitimately ranked because Utah beating a
ranked team just proves how good Utah is.It all makes perfect sense
so why are you BYU fans even trying to debate it?
@sooneruteBYU's SOS currently ranks 25th, utah's ranks
5th. If you are going to claim utah's SOS is accurate then you have to
admit BYU's SOS is also accurate since it is the same people ranking both
of them. So tell me this, based on what do you consider the 25th
ranked SOS to be "weak sauce"? A top 25 SOS seems pretty good to me, at
least if you are going to believe SOS rankings.It would appear your
bitterness over utah's performance is weighing on your pscyche although I
don't really know why as utah has performed much better overall than most
people thought they would. utah "fan" delusion is a very interesting
If we just played the next few years we would totally win those games. The last
few years are just flukes cause the best team always loost.
How is BYU ranked higher than Utah, when clearly on the field Utah has
BYU's number? Simple: Rankings are subjective and very much favor wins
versus losses, regardless of the quality of the opponent. So how do you get a
high ranking without being very good?: Play not very good teams. While I recognize that this is probably the toughest schedule BYU has ever
had, Utah's schedule is still far tougher. The Utes have had some close
losses to great teams that have cost us in the rankings. While I wish it was
different, it's what it is. For BYU fans to come on here and
claim superiority after we've beat them 4 years in a row is pretty
ridiculous. You stay classy BYU.
godog3... said:"The Virginia loss was awful like Utah's
loss to Colorado."Well, not quite. BYU's los to Virginia
was an opening game, which they had won despite the many dropped passes and
instead of taking the win they decided to get fancy and a turn-over resulted,
changing the game to a loss. Hopefully the coaches learned a thing or two when
in that situation.Utah never was in front of Colorado, they were
playing AT HOME in SLC and Colorado was the worst road team in the country at
the time. PLUS---Utah was playing for all the marbles. All the stars lined up
for Utah to go to the first PAC 12 Championship game a s the Southern Division
champion; they had Norm Chow, OC extraordinaire, and they laid a big goose egg.
The PAC 12 will NEVER be se greased for Utah again.This year
they're 1 - 3, for a start, a slight improvement over being 0 - 4. Still
in the basement, those Utes. The top third of the PAC 12 is ranked....why
isn't Utah among the elite? B-T-W, they lost to Oregon State (at home yet
again) who lost to.....
When two teams are close to being at the same level, the better team does not
always win when they play head to head. I am not saying that is what happened
when BYU played Utah, but most of the polls and other ranking systems do. So
maybe that is what I am saying.
Please. Those rankings mean nothing. Utah is better than Arizona, and Utah is
better than BYU. Utah has been the best school in the state for the past two
decades, both athletically and academically. Nice try in your attempt to bring
Utah, a national brand and major athletic presence, to the level of BYU and Utah
State, two weakly known regional schools.
How about an article re-ranking schedules? BYU's "toughest season
ever" has turned out to be weaksauce.
i dont read too much into these rankings. even though we may end up
with a better record you cant ignore the fact that utah owns us for the time
being. it is hard to admit but if we cant beat them 4 years running,
they are the better team. period.they also beat utah state. so state
bragging rights goes to utah.that said, if we were to play utah at
the end of the year, i think byu comes out on top.
@TRUTHWhy, even if Utah beat BYU, BYU fans still wouldn't admit
Utah is better. Head to head competition and the final score are meaningless.
Didn't you get the Blue memo?
To Utah fans: you won the game. Congrats. In the pros, a team will play two
games in its division and can meet again in playoffs. Very often the teams
split.College you get one chance. BYU is not the same team Utah
played, and vice versa. For better or for worse, the rankings are the only
things that matter. Ask yourselves: could BYU beat Texas again? Could Utah be
Stanford again? I would not bet on either.So enough with the
juvenile comparisons. They are meaningless.
TrueBlueThat's what happens when you play an easier schedule.
The fact of the matter is that neither team has anything to brag about. I'm
certainly dissapointed with the season so far. If you want to beat your chest
about being ranked in the top 40 of the Saragin poll, so be it. So beating 4
final top 25 BCS teams (2008-2009), including 11-1 Alabama, in one season is the
"perfect storm"? There goes your credability. BYU would be in the same
boat this year if they played Utah's schedule; don't kid your self.
Have a good evening.
KHMore whiny excuses?BYU's SOS is currently ranked
#24.Anyone trying to characterize that as a cream puff schedule is
either blinded by their crimson glasses or just blowing smoke.The
truth is, until this year, Utah had never had a season SOS over #41.Utah SOS rank since 2000:76, 62, 75, 62, 67, 76, 73, 60, 56, 75,
50, 49, 41, currently #5
Uteology"If BYU isn't the best team in Utah, than why is
Stanford rated higher then the Utes?"LOL at how you completely
dodged the question, because the obvious answer would completely debunk the Utah
fan single head-to-head game narrative.Why do Utah fans continue to
spout whiny excuses about Utah's schedule being too tough, when even during
their MWC days, BYU still finished with better records and higher rankings than
the Utes who were playing the same SOS as BYU.Of course, when you
can't beat 10-loss teams like Colorado and UNLV, you have to come up with
something to explain your ineptitude - that's the only way to explain
beating Stanford, and then getting dominated by Arizona.
KH and many othersI personally think Utah is the better team this year
(when healthy)I think BYU is not far behind.I think it is naive to
say either mid-season rankings or 1 game makes a team better.But I will
say this about rankings (even though they are always wrong)These people
get paid to do this. I don't. I think we should have respect for the
rankings but it really doesn't mean much in the end (if they do final
rankings are what counts)
This season is a wash....lets hope the SF Humanitarian Bowl gives an invite to
both BYU and UTAH!
atl134Taysom and BYU ran all over Texas, but Taysom's passing
game was still developing when BYU played Utah and Utah stacked the box to force
BYU to pass.With the vast improvement in BYU's passing game the
last month, Utah, even with a healthy Travis, would have to get lucky with
turnovers to win a rematch.
Spokane UteIt's also not a fluke when BYU finishes with a
better record and higher ranking than Utah in 5 of the last 8 seasons, and, soon
to be, 6 of the last 9 seasons.As has been stated before, Utah wins
the individual game battle, BYU wins the season long war.btw, Bronco is 9-8(53%) versus PAC teams.Kyle is 12-17(41%) versus PAC
teams.AP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4Kyle 2Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 1Kyle is great at
getting his team up for BYU, but, except for his perfect storm 2008 season,
Kyle's been terrible about consistently beating teams Utah is supposed to
beat, which is why he so seldom cracks the Top 25 or wins conference
WA_Alum&DadAnd to any other BYU fan that keeps saying BYU is
Utah's bowl game...What was it Van Noy said Utah was to BYU?If I recall correctly, he said that they were their super bowl.Due
to this, it just makes your (repeated) comments of BYU being Utah's bowl
game hilarious to read, and embarrassing for you. So please, do us all a favor
and stop.To make your statement more accurate, lets just say that
the rivalry means a lot to both sides and is a huge win no matter what the
standings say.And just for arguments sake, if you wanted to talk
about respect, Utah got picked up by a big conference, BYU did not. Bazinga!However, I am logical enough to know that there are several reasons why
BYU is/was overlooked, it has nothing to do with program strength. Obviously Independence is the best place for BYU (currently), a nice ESPN deal
and the exposure the LDS church wants.Congrats, to you true BYU fans
that know how to have real discussion and not bicker (Ex- Y Grad / Y Dad; to the
rest of you, meh, not so much.
@RationalNo, the champion is determined by who wins the championship
game. Who plays in that game is determined by a poll: actually, several polls
and a formula. Next year the top 4 teams will play in a play off format. The top
4 will be determined by a comitee. College football is a popularity contest.
It's the only champion not determined by a play off system. It's a
farce. Furthermore, different polls/rankings have the teams in a
different order. Thank goodness the NCAA basketball champion is determined by a
tournament and not a popularity contest.
uh Tators...My comment was some humor at the expense of...You can figure it out. I'll give you a hint...Go Cougars!
One more thing..byu strategically placed a bye week in front of
Utah's game. They had 2 weeks to prepare and still couldn't win in
their own stadium. Who is the better team? Utah
All you byu fans are so funny. It has been 5 years since byu has beaten Utah,
and every year I hear the same thing... "byu really is the better team, Utah
just gets up for this game". Even though Van Noy said this was byu's
super bowl this year. Please byu fans, when asking yourself who is
the better team, please remember Utah's schedule opposed to what byu has
played so far. byu's schedule:Virginia - worst team in
ACC and byu lostTexas - Decent team - unranked. Good win for byu.
I'll give you this one.UtahMiddle Tennessee State - I
don't even have to say it.Utah State - byu played them without
Keeton, which makes Utah State a bad team. Georgia Tech - Another bad ACC
teamHouston - I don't even know what conference they're in.
Beat a bunch of bad teams. Utah's schedule:Utah State -
with Keeton - Good team, not greatWeber State - Bad team, comparable to
Middle TennesseebyuUCLA - Ranked team. Very Good.Stanford -
Top 5 team. Very very good.Arizona - Good team, not greatPlease, remember which schedule you play and then decide who is better.
To the victor go the spoils. Enjoy your win, coug fans...it must have been a
thriller. To defeat a highly ranked team like Houston on the road is a great
accomplishment. I have a question about the photo headlining this
story...The stadium looks empty. I thought byu sells out every
stadium they play in. What happened Saturday? The caption on the pic indicates
it was 2nd qtr. Did all the fans leave early for half time to get popcorn?
worf Mcallen, TXStang08:If BYU isn't
the best team in Utah, than why is Stanford rated higher then the Utes?Doesn't make any sense.---------------Explaining
the grind of Big 5 football to a BYU fan is like explaining Darwinism to the Tea
Party. Why bother.
atl34I agree when Wilson is healthy they are very similar.I think
Utah would exploit the O-line issues at the Y.Where I do disagree with you
is that BYU is passing the ball much better than when they played the Utes.I thought maybe it was Utah's D then I just checked ranking and GT d is
no. 12 so that would be interesting to see.
@Waylon77You're new around here aren't you? Byu won a
championship 30 years ago, they are the better team. Always and forever the
better team, understand? No? There are really only a few people that do
understand. The cougs could finish 0-12 and still be the best team in Utah,
even if the Utes went 13-0.
@Waylon77By your logic, Stanford doesn't have the right to say
they are better than Utah? Because they are. They have that right as well.
Beating a team is one arguement for who is the better team, but there are too
many variables throughout an entire season to state that one team is still
better by the end of the year based solely on beating them. Taysom was in a huge
3 game slump to start of the year. He is much better now. BYU is playing more
consistently. If BYU beats out Wisconsin, Boise State, and Notre Dame, there
will be zero question as to who is the best in the state.
Surfs Up: I agree. There is a direct correlation with the 4 win streak for
Utah and the time of year they have played the game. Under Bronco BYU has
typically started slow and gained momentum, gotten better as the year goes on.
Utah has been the opposite. They start strong and then fade. Utah just catches
BYU early and they have an advantage. Look at the Virginia loss. You
can't tell me that if BYU had a do over, 9 times out of 10 they would be
Virginia. Play the Utah game in November I'm willing to bet its not a 4-0
sweep. But we play the games when they schedule them and Utah beat us 4 times
in a row. I still think BYU is a better team now than when we played Utah.
@Voodohound99"Because BYU's system is getting momentum"BYU played Utah right after setting a school rushing yard record in a
thrashing of Texas. They had plenty of momentum. I'd take BYU against Utah
in a hypothetical rematch right now, but only because Wilson is injured.
Otherwise I'd consider it a coin flip much as I did with the first game.
Waylon77Logan, UTWhen you lose to a team, you don't get the
priveledge of saying that you are better than that team. Can you think of any
better way of determining which of two teams is better than by having them play
each other and see who wins? That is kind of the way that championships are
determined in the sporting world. ----------First of all, BYU
didn't say it. The ranking services did.Second, "The way that
championships are determined?" What? Have you never HEARD of NCAA
I said at the start of the season, after the Utah-BYU game, and now, that I
think those two teams are pretty much equal in terms of skill. However,
that's based on the idea of a healthy Wilson at QB.
I hear you bleed blue. I was denied 3 times over the weekend for saying the
exact same thing that the fans from up north said. I reposted and they were
approved. go figure.
If or when the rivalry game is resumed I would like to see it take place in
November as it should be. By that time both teams have hit their stride. BYU
starts slow and usually finishes strong, whereas utah...... finishes.
I am a true blue Cougar fan, but BYU lost to Utah this year. Enough said. Head
to head determines bragging rights, sadly, for all of us devout Cougar fans.
Hey, DesNews moderators: Why is the word "Ute" not acceptable? Are you
kidding me? "Ute" refers to the "Ute" indians, as in, the
"Utah Utes". Likewise, something similar would be "BYU
Cougs".Come on, guys....I posted something yesterday that used
the word "Utes" that was clearly not offensive, vulgar, a personal
attack, did not use bad language, etc and it was denied. Give me a break.
Here's the post. See for yourself:"Article stats (go look
'em up yourself)....Rankings from (in order) USA Today, CBS
Sports, Segarin, BCS standings....BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, with an
average of 31.75Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, with an average of 42.75USA:
67, 70, 40, 79, with an average of 64.0Sshhhhhh! Don't tell the
Ute fans. They still think they're the best team in the state....Ha! Ha! Go Cougars!!!"What is offensive about that?????
@Tators,OK, how about a winning streak. Call it what you want, but
Utah's win this year was far, far from a "Fluke". I beleive the
winning team is based on who scores the most points, no need to research any
further, 4 in a row is, well, 4 in a row.I wonder if the editor will
actually let me post this, not sure what in the world I said previously that was
off topic or uncivil?@ SportsfanI don't recall
saying one game makes a season? 12-13 does, we are half way home. All 3 of
Utah's loses could have easily went their way. So what? They didn't,
they lost, pretty easy to admit. At least for me.
Article stats (go look them up yourself)....Rankings from (in order)
USA Today, CBS Sports, Segarin, BCS standings....BYU: 33, 30, 28,
36, with an average of 31.75Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43, with an average of
42.75USA: 67, 70, 40, 79, with an average of 64.0Sshhhhhh!
Don't tell the Utah fans. They still think they're the best team in
the state....Ha! Ha! Go Cougars!!!
"Utah was slightly better than BYU when they played but since then BYU has
only improved and I would bet that a replay of that game would produce a
different result. Why? Because BYU's system is getting momentum while Utahs
is not."Utah has won four of these games in a row. I don't
see how there's any possible argument BYU is the better team.Also, how much has BYU really improved since the Utah game? There has been
significant improvement since Virginia but, I'm not sure about since the
Utah game. They're giving up a lot of yards now and while Hill
is completing more passes, he's still throwing into tight coverage far too
often. He had three picks at Houston but, it should have been four (he
attempted to throw one away in the first and fortunately the defender
wasn't paying attention because it was right to him). The line is probably
part to blame but, when talking about improvement we're talking about
This series on rankings is silly. Utah beat BYU yet at season's end
it's almost a given BYU will finish with the higher ranking. I don't
think Virginia is better than BYU, in fact I would bet GT kills them Saturday.
I also don't think Utah is better than Stanford. But, Utah has beaten BYU
four straight times therefore they are the better team. Also, USU
lost Keeton therefore keeping them in this reason is really disingenous."gdog3finallyWest Jordan, UtahRankings are a
joke. They often benefit BYU over Utah because of BYU's brand name, fan
population and exposure."According to our good friend Chris B,
this isn't possible :)
worfMcallen, TXBYU are the state champs, but with Boise State,
Wisconsin, and Notre Dame,-how can a BCS Bowl game be any better?________Well since you won't be playing in a BCS bowl game
this year. It's just better to talk about your schedule.
@CGRe: Utah's fight song: Isn't it sexist to only boast as a
"Utah Man?" Sounds like a whole makeover is required. First it was the
mascot, and now this.
Rankings and head-to-head matchups are interesting things. As a bluebleeding
BYU fan, I have to admit to being green with envy that Utah has owned BYU in the
series of late. Yes @Taters, owned. To me THAT explains why BYU can have
better stats, and in many of our opinions better teams, and still lose.
Regardless of the cause, a loss on the field is a loss on the field.However, a loss on the field doesn't tell the whole story either. I
think even Utah fans would admit that if Utah and Stanford played 5 times the
Utes probably wouldn't take three... If BYU and Virginia played five times,
I doubt Virginia would win three. The national perception based on
rankings says that most people think that if BYU and Utah played 5 times, BYU
would win more than Utah-yet having observed the rivalry the last few years Utah
seems to win regardless. In the case of BYU and Utah I think it is more about
the matchup. For whatever reason BYU can't seem to make it happen, much to
the chagrin of BYU fans everywhere. Doesn't make the higher ranking
WA-Alum&Dad"Should change the principal team color to
green."Interestingly, Utah's fight song already
incorporates that theme:"I am a Utah man and I live across the
@gdog3finally"Rankings are a joke. They often benefit BYU over Utah
because of BYU's brand name, fan population and exposure."It's refreshing to see a Ute fan honest enough to admit the obvious:
Regardless of wins & losses in any particular season, BYU has a better
brand, bigger fan base (game attendance, media market, and national fan
footprint), and better exposure.In the end, I think that is and
always has been the core of Red Hatred, and why Ute fans can't seem to move
on, even though supposedly all their dreams came true when they moved to their
shiny/fancy conference. Should change the principal team color to green.
Doesn't seem all that long ago that Urban's Utah team & fans were
always whining about not being taken seriously enough even though they were
unbeaten on the way through their (MWC) season. Now it's all about
strength of schedule. So which is it really? The only constant with that hill
crowd is BYU hatred. Just can't move on. Utah is the only team in the
state who plays their bowl game on the third game of the season.
@ Spokane Ute:3 of the 4 games you mentioned went down to the wire
with just a few points separating the teams. If most of those wins were more
definitive with the Utes winning convincingly, I would agree with you. But they
didn't. As such, neither team owns the other. The closeness of the majority
of their games only says that the teams are similarly matched and very
competitive with each. If one team actually "owned" the
other, then their fans wouldn't storm the field at the end of a game, the
way Utah fans do. Their actions actually indicate they felt Utah was quite
fortunate to win some of those games... as opposed to owning BYU.A
bit of research even shows BYU with better production stats in those 3 games...
more yardage, more first downs and sometimes time of possession. Often the only
difference has been a single timely turnover or special teams play. As such,
there is no way an objective person would ever say that either teams owns the
other. And if BYU wins the next 4 games with Utah by very close scores,
I'll still say the exact same thing.
Spokane UteOne game in a 12-game season doesn't prove
anything.Seasons are judged in their entirety. Just because Utah has
had BYU's number head-to-head recently, doesn't mean Utah has been the
better team overall.3 of those 4 games could have easily gone
BYU's way, including this year's game.
@ gdog3finally:I agree with most of what you wrote, but disagree
about one thing. Rankings are not so subjective. The only thing that goes into
most national rankings are totally objective, quantitatively measurable
criteria... and lots of it. A few Ute fans are complaining because
they feel BYU doesn't have a PAC12 level schedule for comparison purposes.
However, SOS (strength of schedule) is factored into each of the rankings.
That's why it's nearly impossible for small conference teams with very
week schedules to ever get ranked very highly.Interesting that you
acknowledge that BYU has such a strong fan base and is so well nationally
known... while Chris B has spent most of the season trying to convince everyone
of just the opposite... that they are almost unknown nationally... especially in
regards to recruiting. Thankfully, there remain at least some honest, less
biased fans on each side.@ sammyg and ahmyers:These
rankings are all about how teams currently are and their cumulative season-long
production... not just a single game a month ago. But if that's the only
nail you can find to hang your hat on, then have at it.
Sorry Worf, but 4 years in a row is no "fluke". It's called getting
Rankings should be based on "How good is your team now". Utah was
slightly better than BYU when they played but since then BYU has only improved
and I would bet that a replay of that game would produce a different result.
Why? Because BYU's system is getting momentum while Utahs is not. Any
team can beat any other team on any given day. The best teams don't always
win the game due to various external factors. That's why BYU can be ranked
ahead of Utah even if Utah beat BYU earlier. Right now, BYU is a better team.
BYU's ranking will improve as its O-Line improves...can't see QB Hill
doing much better than he played against Houston, those were awesome plays, and
end-game stats. It all starts with the O-Line...that's my constant
repetitive comment, because no one else seems to recognize the importance of
these players to the success of the Offense, and of giving the D a rest.
Wow! Going to the PAC 12 means nothing.Playing BYU is still the
main focus.Utah is better than BYU, and Stanford. Yep! And our
country will pay off its debt.Flukes happen!
To Utah FansIf "scoreboard" is all that matters, why is
Stanford ranked #6/#8/#7 in AP/Coaches/Sagarin, while Utah is ur/ur/#35?If Utah is "better" than Stanford, based on
"scoreboard", then why is Stanford ranked 30 places higher than Utah?I'd love to see a cogent argument from a Utah fan who can explain
why "scoreboard" is the only thing that matters.
gdog3finally, part IIBy the way, thanks both for the compliment AND
for taking me to task civilly. I appreciate both!So when BYU
trashed Texas, it was huge. Then Texas faltered and the victory tarnished, at
least a little, in some opinions. Then Utah beat Stanford, and it was HUGER!Now suddenly, Texas is leading the Big 12, and if they win out, will
most assuredly end up ranked higher than BYU. What if Stanford falters down the
stretch?Football season is a big buffet, so many things to enjoy.
Turns out "victory over your rival" was all gone by the time BYU fans
got there. Utah fans got it all. Again. Not many other things on their plate
(so far)Our plates look pretty good, with a chance of scoring some
crab legs and steak...Ah, well, it kinda made sense to me.
Like every year utah is the worst team. Scoring more points doesn't proof
anything. What shows it is trips to the blue zone, tackles, running faster with
the ball and then the refs always make us not get more points.Plus we mess
If rankings don't mean anything, as the kids on the hill pretend, then why
do they beat their chests every time Utah beats a "ranked" opponent?Stanford beats UCLA who beats Utah who beats Stanford. Who's
better?In 2012, BYU beats Utah St. who beats Utah who beats BYU.
Who's better?Last year, Texas A&M beats Alabama who beats
Notre Dame for the National Championship. Who's better?If
rankings don't mean anything, then this whole BCS thing is a joke.How can you say that BCS matches the two best teams in the championship game
if the rankings you use to determine the top two teams don't mean anything?
gdog3finallyWest Jordan, Utah@ Y Dad/Y Dad"You wrote
"all the people whose opinion matters seem to think so" in your take of
who is better. Look, I often enjoy your comments and I am not
bothered by your comments here necessarily. But do you buy into all the opinions
and reports of all major entities?"Of course I do! I buy into
every opinion that is favorable to BYU. And if it undercuts my rival to the
north, that's an added bonus.Just joking! For the most
part.Was Alabama the best team in the nation last year? Or was
A&M? Shoot, was BYU the best team in the nation in (shhhhh...) 1984? What
is "best"? Is it "best at the end of the season"? "Best
over the course of the whole season"? Is there a difference?It's all so subjective, even head to head match-ups. If two teams meet
twice, and split, who's better?A playoff will be a huge
improvement, but it won't completely solve the riddle either.
"We're going bowl-less again, no one is going to stop us, we still beat
you, we don't care what others say and we're better than your stinking
Who won in Provo this year? I forgot.
"If BYU isn't the best team in Utah, then why is Stanford rated higher
than the Utes?Doesn't make any sense."Ouch.Love it!
When you lose to a team, you don't get the priveledge of saying that you
are better than that team. Can you think of any better way of determining which
of two teams is better than by having them play each other and see who wins?
That is kind of the way that championships are determined in the sporting world.
BYU may have a better record, but the long and short of it is that Utah has
BYU's number. BYU hasn't beaten Utah in 4 years, and has absolutely
no claim to the title of best football team in Utah.
Too bad about Wilson being hurt, I think Utah could've beat USC with him at
QB. Probably not much chance of winning with a back-up QB, however, even though
USC stinks this year.
Rankings don’t mean nothing because we won byu and we are in a bcs
conference and we have more stars and that makes us the best over byu.
Stang08:If BYU isn't the best team in Utah, than why is
Stanford rated higher then the Utes?Doesn't make any sense.
byu should be ranked really close to #number 1Utah really closer to about
Both BYU, and Utah could falter. Utah State may end the year with the best
BYU are the state champs, but with Boise State, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame,-how
can a BCS Bowl game be any better?
@ Y Dad/Y DadYou wrote "all the people whose opinion matters
seem to think so" in your take of who is better. Look, I often
enjoy your comments and I am not bothered by your comments here necessarily. But
do you buy into all the opinions and reports of all major entities? Much of what we see, hear and read about from sources of great wealth are
skewed greatly. I don't care if it's FOX News, MSNBC, CNN, BBC, Al
Jezeera, the BCS, Sagarin ratings, USA Today, any government, or corporate
entity. Junk information abounds. It's best to tell who is the
better team on the field. But that's not perfect either. I understand some
reasons for BYU fans to feel they are better than Utah. Match ups play a part.
Teams do lose to teams that are close to equal everywhere across the country
each week unless you are Alabama and Oregon. BYU is superior to
Virginia and San Jose State but lost to both of those teams the last two years.
Utah losing to Colorado is another example. The problem with comparing Utah to
BYU is that their schedules are not comparable.
Rankings are a joke. They often benefit BYU over Utah because of BYU's
brand name, fan population and exposure. Justifications by BYU fans
as to what the so called experts say is silly to reason. College football is
corrupt and protects its' image programs. It always has, and no BCS
modification is likely to change that in my opinion. Here is an
example of what a joke these ranking systems are from 2011: Utah finished 8-5
with a PAC 12 schedule that year (4-5 in conference) with nice out of conference
road wins at BYU 54-10 and Pittsburgh 26-14 at Heinz field (Plus they won the
Sun Bowl). BYU was 10-3 but beat 7 patsies (UCF, San Jose State, Idaho State,
Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii, and Tulsa). Outside of those 7 laughable games,
BYU was 3-3 which included getting pounded by Utah in Provo. Yet they got
ranked. I mean seriously? BYU was no where near ranked after week 9.
Then they finish the season with four straight wins against Idaho, New Mexico
State, Hawaii, and Tulsa. Do those four games earn you a ranking? Come on now,
Can this weekly induction process of subjective reasoning over who is better
stop? The Desnews does this every week. Are they trying to cancel losing to
Utah. BYU might go 9-3. If so, great for BYU. Don't be blind to
reason though. They wouldn't be 9-3 with a PAC 12 schedule. @Idaho Cougar FanI would want the Virginia game back if I was you
as well. BYU is obviously the better team there. BYU is also better than Houston
but fortunate to win that game. The crazy big plays for Houston kept them in the
game. Still, despite BYU's strong defense, they have long been vulnerable
to giving up big plays on games they lose. Teams that can throw deep (think San
Jose State) can exploit BYU. As a Ute fan, there are games I would
also like back. All three losses were winnable. But Utah has had three close
wins as well. Very few teams, even good ones, are going to win all
their games against teams close to them in ability. Alabama and Oregon blow
everyone away. But they are also both corrupt programs. The Virginia
loss was awful like Utah's loss to Colorado.
And yet, end of the season rankings don't tell the full story either. The
team that takes a shot in the chops (Texas), may be jolted, may even stumble out
of the rankings entirely. Does it mean that, at the time they played, they
weren't as good as thought?Is BYU a better team than Utah? At
least for the time being, due to Utah's Jekyll and Hyde disposition, all
the people whose opinion matters seem to think so. Will it still be that way by
the end of the season? We'll see.But isn't the ride fun?
At least for BYU, right now, it is.
Quarterbacks are dropping everywhere in Utah. Hill better play safe or losing
Hill will hurt BYU like it did to USU and Ute's. If Hill stays good, I
could see BYU getting the best bowl out of the three teams, then USU and lastly
Ute's (I do think the Ute's can get 6 wins this year but it will be
Rankings from (in order) USA Today, CBS Sports, Segarin, BCS standings....BYU: 33, 30, 28, 36, with an average of 31.75Utah: 51, 42, 35, 43,
with an average of 42.75USA: 67, 70, 40, 79, with an average of 64.0Seriously, I'd love to hear from any reasonable Utah fan as to why
their team is better than BYU. And, please, don't even try "we beat
you" because at least FOUR nationally-known syndicates/football agencies
don't see it that way.
I'm not a big fan of any of the big two and USU. But Utah is number 1 in
the state, BYU is number 2. And USU is at best 3. At the very best number 3.
The real Chris B is not going to be happy with these rankings. Lol. How could
and indy be ranked higher than a team from the elite, conference of champions?
These rankings must be a bad dream, right?Congrats Cougs. The
progress the team has made is amazing! Early prediction - by the end of his
career, Hill's name will be uttered in the same breath as McMahon, Young
Is anyone surprised? I'm not and I know this won't bode well with the
'kids on the hill'.There's a good possibility as
Taysom and team improves that a 9-3 or 10-2 is in reach.Go
Cougars!And meanwhile back near East High...
Interesting to see the complete BCS standings. BYU is sandwiched behind the
team they beat (Houston) and in front of the next opponent (Boise State).Utah will recover from what happened next week. Shultz was serviceable
in replacing Wilson. He will likely increase his production having a week of
reps under his belt.
Mid-season rankings are interesting, but not at all definitive. Teams can win
out and teams can nose dive and teams will win some and lose some. That is why
the only valid rankings are the final rankings after a season's body of
work is completed. Only totally ignorant individuals believe a team's
superiority or inferiority are determined by one regular season game. The final
polls will determine BYU, USU and Utah will stand at the end of the season.
I am so happy that the BYU Cougars have the BEST average ranking out of the
three Utah schools. They have earned it. And, I'm soooo excited to see
they have the best ATHLETES too.
I just wonder how high BYU would be if they would have beat Virginia and Utah. I
hate losing to the Utes, but it is not a bad loss. If the Utes can't win on
the road it will turn into a bad loss. The Virginia loss looks worse and worse
each week. I wish they could have that back. If BYU wins out, they will be in
the top 20 of the BCS, maybe even 15 if they get some help. That means Utah has
to keep winning games so it looks like a good loss and not a bad loss.