The Pac 12 is the second best league, and it shows. We beat one of the best
teams in the entire nation and then lose to a good Arizona team. Any team that
can go at least .500 in the Pac 12 is a very good team and would win any non-BCS
league with ease. I still love where this program is headed.
Whittingham(and Erickson) know what it takes to build top 5 teams and
they've both PROVEN they can do it.Couldn't be more proud
to be a Pac 12 ute. Onward and Upward
Winning one of four in the Pac-12 so far isn't great, but it isn't
time to give up on the Utes yet. I think Utah has improved over last year and it
shows, the Utes just need to keep improving! Go Utes!
@ Chris B:Your most objective and perhaps best post of all time -
truly onward and upward!That said, as good as the Stanford win was,
tonight made it look like an anomaly rather than a trend upward. Tonight's
performance is the kind of spotty showing we've seen too often the last two
years. The defense had too many let downs. Carey running in the open after
breaking through the line of scrimmage looked like an exhibition track meet.
Tackling on kickoffs was horrible. The secondary gave up too many bombs, as
they did against OSU and UCLA. We're still behind the curve on
talent, overachieving in many respects. I credit the overachievement to good
leadership from Coach Whitt. Nobody should be thinking that he's out of
his league. I like his objectivity, which will stand us in good stead over the
long haul of becoming a consistent contender.
@Chris B: Good to see you are the first poster on your own team's sight. I
agree with your first sentence, but the second sentence is subjective, not
objective - it cannot be proven. Hope the Utes and my team, BYU, both go bowling
this year. I see where the big cheese of the Fight Hunger Bowl says he
hasn't ruled out a BYU-Utah matchup. Maybe we BYU fans and the team can get
our revenge, hey!
Problem is Chris that you still need to get to .500. 8 and 4 not looking real
likely any more. I am thinking maybe 6 and 6. Improvement over last year
though. Don't see anyone in the PAC beating Oregon. Hope Wilson is ok to
play next game.
The coaches knew the Wilson hand injury was going to be an issue. Utah only
threw the ball 9 times in the first half. The game plan? Beat Arizona on the
ground. Falling behind with a pick 6 and another interception had Utah playing
catch up down 20-7. Andy Phillips missed two kicks and Utah had the
ball deep in Arizona territory down 28-24 with three minutes left. Just one of
those two missed FGs would have given Utah a chip shots FG to take the lead.
They could have run down the clock more, knowing they would only need a FG, and
Arizona would have had to use timeouts. Then when Arizona would have gotten the
ball back, instead of scoring again tying to run out the clock like they did on
their last TD, they would have been forced to throw it. Arizona couldn't
throw on Utah being one dimensional. The Wildcats strength tonight was the
Maybe my math skills are a little rusty, but two missed field goals does not
"prove to be the difference" in a game lost by 11 points.
this article is artful in it's way of putting lipstick on a pig. true is
utah is a mediocre football team wilson has potential to be very good and some
utah fans are actually in love with the pac and not in utah. sad. i missed the
game on tv, what station was it on and will it be replayed?
Ute fans can always look back on this year's Stanford game and at least be
excited about that. Maybe a win over Colorado and Cal too. But that's about
it. Oh we'll. maybe next year.
The greatness in the PAC 12 is Oregon... Pretty much none else.
Utah has to be prepared and ready to play EVERY game! Don't care about any
other team in the PAC-12. Bottom line, the Utes need to do a better job in
preparing and be ready to play EVERY single weekend. Go UTES!
Play ever game like your playing Stanford! You can't just get up for big
games! Treat every team like a Stanford and don't look past anyone!
That's what bugs me about the Utes!
Utah has the 5th hardest schedule in the nation so far (Sagarin ranking). They
and every opponent of theirs so far (except Weber State and Utah State just
because Utah State is Keetonless) are top 50 teams. 4-3 isn't really a
surprising result, we just expected some different wins and losses though
really... Arizona was a 4 pt favorite this game and Utah was in that position
with two minutes left. Even with the QB change and missed field goals.
atl134It's interesting the spin Utah fans put on Utah's
close losses versus BYU's close losses.BYU lost three games to
Top 25 teams by a total of 10 points last year, yet all we heard from Utah fans
last year was how horribly over-matched BYU was by Top 25 teams, yet BYU
didn't lose any games to bad teams last year, except for Utah.
@atl134You might be the lone utah fan that actually gets it. This
was no upset, arizona was favored because arizona is the better team. I'm
not sure why utah fans expected a different result.
I remember the days when both Utah and BYU fans talked about how the Mountain
West was equal to the Pac-10. I used to laugh thinking how funny that was when
the Mountain only had three good teams. Now you are seeing the differences
between the wyomings, Colorado States, New Mexicos vs the Arizonas, Washingtons,
Oregon States. Welcome to reality!
@LonestarRunner"It's interesting the spin Utah fans put on
Utah's close losses versus BYU's close losses."After
BYUs close loss to Utah I thought the two teams were still basically equal.
Having your kicker go 1/3 from >40 yards while recovering a fumbled punt and
blocking an extra point earns a D? However, your defense surrenders 4 touchdown
drives averaging >70 yards and gets a B+? As noted above missing two field
goals is not the difference in an 11 point loss.
I just have to say from a BYU fan best of luck to Travis Wilson. That's a
tough loss. What a difference losing a quarterback makes. He's the reason
Utah beat BYU in my opinion. There were a lot of plays that were potential game
changers, but you could say that the bomb over the top to Dres Anderson was the
7 point difference. BYU fans are grateful for the improved play of Taysom Hill,
but BYU is in the same danger as Utah. BYU could be one injury away from playing
a different QB (knock on wood) and then who knows how the rest of the season
turns out. Utah State is feeling the effects of the Chuckie Keeton loss.
Let's hope for the best for all of our in-state teams.
Bottom line with the Utes and the PAC-12. Certainly, the fans will see some
good to great teams. And once in a while Utah will win against one of these
great teams. But in the end Utah will spend most of the time in the bottom
third of the league. I think they will end up much like the team they lost to
in Arizona. Never seriously contending for the Rose Bowl and every once in a
while having a nice 8-5 season, nice in the sense of the competition they face.
But most years the Cats range from 7-5 to 6-6 to 5-7 and this will be typical
for Utah. Again, it is nice to see the Trojans and Ducks come to Utah and every
once in a while and Utah might pick off a big win here and there, but expect
more losses and 10 win seasons are over with.
Interesting that the loss is blamed on the Ute's losing their QB. Look at
the grading of each of the two and it was a blessing in disguise for Travis
Wilson to be replaced. Also, two missed field goals would only be good if
Arizona didn't score their last touchdown. As is, had they both been good
that would mean U still lose "by 5."No to compare too much,
but it's interesting to see Utah graded out basically the same as BYU, yet
the Y won and the U lost. Be careful, DesNews, your PAC 12 bias is showing.
Our front seven on defense got rolled for 300 yards rushing... Defense D+.From 100% FG percentage to 1 of 3 ... Special teams D.Pick 6 and the
inability to pass or score around the red zone ... Offense D-.It was
obvious that Wilson couldn't throw from the get go, not having a plan B and
not having your team ready to play... Coaching F.This was the worst
game of the season and we still had a chance to win against a good team on the
road. This was a winnable game, a blown opportunity. Time to move on and get
ready for USC.Hope Wilson is back and the defense figures how to
stop the run. More importantly, I hope Coach KW and staff have the team ready
to play from the start not after going down 20-7.Go UTES!
I was not able to watch this game. My question is did wilson really look that
bad and why was he not replaced earlier?
@Uteology:I agree 100%. Let's hope they can get fired up for
this week's contest in the Coliseum.Go Utes!
@UteologyBingo! It's getting hard to keep the faith Bro! Oh
well, another opportunity comes Saturday!
The Wildcats were favored and they beat the utes again... That kind of makes the
chris b prediction that utah was a guaranteed winner (100% sure) look a little
silly...Next week the Trojans will beat the utes by 2 TDs, then the
utes will have a week off before the Sun Devils beat the utes for the 12th time
in the past 13 meetings (only this time by 3 TDs), and that will be followed by
the Ducks who will beat the utes in Eugene by 5 TDs)...At that point
the utes will have two games left and they will need to win both of them to be
Bowl eligible... They play the WSU Cougars in the Palouse Country, which will
end their Bowl asperations for yet another year, but they will have a 50/50
chance of finishing their season on an up note against the lowly Buffs in front
of a half filled RES...(Another 5-7 year... ouch).There will be no
need to talk about a potential BYU - utah rematch in the SF Fight Hunger Bowl...
The utes won't qualify... again.
I'm sorry but the big bad pac12 is not all that big or bad... In fact, they
are pretty average... They have one great team (Oregon) and a whole
bunch that are dead average...The league reminds me alot of the
early days of the WAC when ASU and UA were in the conference with BYU, utah,
Wyoming, CSU, UTEP, and UNM... A total of 8 teams... Back when PC did not rule
America, the television and radio sportscasters use to refer to the league as
ASU and the 7 dwarves whenever they talked football... Today the football pac12
is Oregon and 11 instead of 7.In other words the difference between
Oregon and the other 11 teams is probably the equivalent of a 3 full points on
the Richter Scale when comparing the magnitude of earthquakes...
PoymanThanks for rubbing it in; always a classy move. The funny
thing is, as bad a season as Utah is having, they still slapped BYU around in
Provo. I guess there in lies the angst. If BYU played the same schedule, they
would be in the same position; if not worse. Don't kid your self!
Spokane UteI would hardly call that game slapping someone around.a
few plays different would have changed that game. Or BYU utilizing a red zone
trip (Credit to Ute D)
It's funny how hypocrisy can run deep on these boards... How convenient it
becomes for some of us to forget some of our previous posts...Truth
is BYU would have done better against AZ, the Cougs will do better against USC
when we play them in SF... And the Cougs would have been Bowl Eligible with the
utes schedule...As for the 9/21/13 game??? Most all of us saw it and
we know exactly what happened... The utes should be thanking their lucky stars
that we are not playing that game in November... Losing to both the WSU and BYU
(COUGARS) all in the same month would probably have been too much to bear for
the folks on the hill.But, come December 27 the ute faithful will be
able to point to their television screens as BYU is taking out the Trojans and
say..."We beat those guys in September"... (albeit thanks to a kick
return called back,their best ILB suspended, their best RB out for the 4th qtr,
and with the same Officiating Crew that helped ASU beat Wisconsin the previous
week)... But hey, the utes sure "slapped the Cougs around"... lol.