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Utah-Arizona report card: Wilson's loss, Phillips' inaccuracy prove costly for Utes

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  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:52 p.m.

    It's funny how hypocrisy can run deep on these boards... How convenient it becomes for some of us to forget some of our previous posts...

    Truth is BYU would have done better against AZ, the Cougs will do better against USC when we play them in SF... And the Cougs would have been Bowl Eligible with the utes schedule...

    As for the 9/21/13 game??? Most all of us saw it and we know exactly what happened... The utes should be thanking their lucky stars that we are not playing that game in November... Losing to both the WSU and BYU (COUGARS) all in the same month would probably have been too much to bear for the folks on the hill.

    But, come December 27 the ute faithful will be able to point to their television screens as BYU is taking out the Trojans and say..."We beat those guys in September"... (albeit thanks to a kick return called back,their best ILB suspended, their best RB out for the 4th qtr, and with the same Officiating Crew that helped ASU beat Wisconsin the previous week)... But hey, the utes sure "slapped the Cougs around"... lol.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 22, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    Spokane Ute
    I would hardly call that game slapping someone around.
    a few plays different would have changed that game. Or BYU utilizing a red zone trip (Credit to Ute D)

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 22, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    Poyman

    Thanks for rubbing it in; always a classy move. The funny thing is, as bad a season as Utah is having, they still slapped BYU around in Provo. I guess there in lies the angst. If BYU played the same schedule, they would be in the same position; if not worse. Don't kid your self!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 21, 2013 9:06 p.m.

    I'm sorry but the big bad pac12 is not all that big or bad... In fact, they are pretty average...

    They have one great team (Oregon) and a whole bunch that are dead average...

    The league reminds me alot of the early days of the WAC when ASU and UA were in the conference with BYU, utah, Wyoming, CSU, UTEP, and UNM... A total of 8 teams... Back when PC did not rule America, the television and radio sportscasters use to refer to the league as ASU and the 7 dwarves whenever they talked football... Today the football pac12 is Oregon and 11 instead of 7.

    In other words the difference between Oregon and the other 11 teams is probably the equivalent of a 3 full points on the Richter Scale when comparing the magnitude of earthquakes...

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:47 p.m.

    The Wildcats were favored and they beat the utes again... That kind of makes the chris b prediction that utah was a guaranteed winner (100% sure) look a little silly...

    Next week the Trojans will beat the utes by 2 TDs, then the utes will have a week off before the Sun Devils beat the utes for the 12th time in the past 13 meetings (only this time by 3 TDs), and that will be followed by the Ducks who will beat the utes in Eugene by 5 TDs)...

    At that point the utes will have two games left and they will need to win both of them to be Bowl eligible... They play the WSU Cougars in the Palouse Country, which will end their Bowl asperations for yet another year, but they will have a 50/50 chance of finishing their season on an up note against the lowly Buffs in front of a half filled RES...(Another 5-7 year... ouch).

    There will be no need to talk about a potential BYU - utah rematch in the SF Fight Hunger Bowl... The utes won't qualify... again.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:44 p.m.

    The Wildcats were favored and they beat the utes again... That kind of makes the chris b prediction that utah was a guaranteed winner (100% sure) look a little silly...

    Next week the Trojans will beat the utes by 2 TDs, then the utes will have a week off before the Sun Devils beat the utes for the 12th time in the past 13 meetings (only this time by 3 TDs), and that will be followed by the Ducks who will beat the utes in Eugene by 5 TDs)...

    At that point the utes will have two games left and they will need to win both of them to be Bowl eligible... They play the WSU Cougars in the Palouse Country, which will end their Bowl asperations for yet another year, but they will have a 50/50 chance of finishing their season on an up note against the lowly Buffs in front of a half filled RES...(Another 5-7 year... ouch).

    There will be no need to talk about a potential BYU - utah rematch in the SF Fight Hunger Bowl... The utes won't qualify... again.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    @Uteology

    Bingo! It's getting hard to keep the faith Bro! Oh well, another opportunity comes Saturday!

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    @Uteology:

    I agree 100%. Let's hope they can get fired up for this week's contest in the Coliseum.

    Go Utes!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    I was not able to watch this game. My question is did wilson really look that bad and why was he not replaced earlier?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    Our front seven on defense got rolled for 300 yards rushing... Defense D+.
    From 100% FG percentage to 1 of 3 ... Special teams D.
    Pick 6 and the inability to pass or score around the red zone ... Offense D-.

    It was obvious that Wilson couldn't throw from the get go, not having a plan B and not having your team ready to play... Coaching F.

    This was the worst game of the season and we still had a chance to win against a good team on the road. This was a winnable game, a blown opportunity. Time to move on and get ready for USC.

    Hope Wilson is back and the defense figures how to stop the run. More importantly, I hope Coach KW and staff have the team ready to play from the start not after going down 20-7.

    Go UTES!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 11:45 p.m.

    Interesting that the loss is blamed on the Ute's losing their QB. Look at the grading of each of the two and it was a blessing in disguise for Travis Wilson to be replaced. Also, two missed field goals would only be good if Arizona didn't score their last touchdown. As is, had they both been good that would mean U still lose "by 5."

    No to compare too much, but it's interesting to see Utah graded out basically the same as BYU, yet the Y won and the U lost. Be careful, DesNews, your PAC 12 bias is showing.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 11:20 p.m.

    Bottom line with the Utes and the PAC-12. Certainly, the fans will see some good to great teams. And once in a while Utah will win against one of these great teams. But in the end Utah will spend most of the time in the bottom third of the league. I think they will end up much like the team they lost to in Arizona. Never seriously contending for the Rose Bowl and every once in a while having a nice 8-5 season, nice in the sense of the competition they face. But most years the Cats range from 7-5 to 6-6 to 5-7 and this will be typical for Utah. Again, it is nice to see the Trojans and Ducks come to Utah and every once in a while and Utah might pick off a big win here and there, but expect more losses and 10 win seasons are over with.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:52 p.m.

    I just have to say from a BYU fan best of luck to Travis Wilson. That's a tough loss. What a difference losing a quarterback makes. He's the reason Utah beat BYU in my opinion. There were a lot of plays that were potential game changers, but you could say that the bomb over the top to Dres Anderson was the 7 point difference. BYU fans are grateful for the improved play of Taysom Hill, but BYU is in the same danger as Utah. BYU could be one injury away from playing a different QB (knock on wood) and then who knows how the rest of the season turns out. Utah State is feeling the effects of the Chuckie Keeton loss. Let's hope for the best for all of our in-state teams.

  • David Ricardo Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    Having your kicker go 1/3 from >40 yards while recovering a fumbled punt and blocking an extra point earns a D? However, your defense surrenders 4 touchdown drives averaging >70 yards and gets a B+? As noted above missing two field goals is not the difference in an 11 point loss.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    @LonestarRunner
    "It's interesting the spin Utah fans put on Utah's close losses versus BYU's close losses."

    After BYUs close loss to Utah I thought the two teams were still basically equal.

  • Big R Danville, CA
    Oct. 20, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    I remember the days when both Utah and BYU fans talked about how the Mountain West was equal to the Pac-10. I used to laugh thinking how funny that was when the Mountain only had three good teams. Now you are seeing the differences between the wyomings, Colorado States, New Mexicos vs the Arizonas, Washingtons, Oregon States. Welcome to reality!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 4:40 p.m.

    @atl134

    You might be the lone utah fan that actually gets it. This was no upset, arizona was favored because arizona is the better team. I'm not sure why utah fans expected a different result.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    atl134

    It's interesting the spin Utah fans put on Utah's close losses versus BYU's close losses.

    BYU lost three games to Top 25 teams by a total of 10 points last year, yet all we heard from Utah fans last year was how horribly over-matched BYU was by Top 25 teams, yet BYU didn't lose any games to bad teams last year, except for Utah.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    Utah has the 5th hardest schedule in the nation so far (Sagarin ranking). They and every opponent of theirs so far (except Weber State and Utah State just because Utah State is Keetonless) are top 50 teams. 4-3 isn't really a surprising result, we just expected some different wins and losses though really... Arizona was a 4 pt favorite this game and Utah was in that position with two minutes left. Even with the QB change and missed field goals.

  • Utejazz West Valley City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    Play ever game like your playing Stanford! You can't just get up for big games! Treat every team like a Stanford and don't look past anyone! That's what bugs me about the Utes!

  • AntelopeValleyUte Palmdale, CA
    Oct. 20, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    Utah has to be prepared and ready to play EVERY game! Don't care about any other team in the PAC-12. Bottom line, the Utes need to do a better job in preparing and be ready to play EVERY single weekend. Go UTES!

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    The greatness in the PAC 12 is Oregon... Pretty much none else.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Ute fans can always look back on this year's Stanford game and at least be excited about that. Maybe a win over Colorado and Cal too. But that's about it. Oh we'll. maybe next year.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:15 a.m.

    this article is artful in it's way of putting lipstick on a pig. true is utah is a mediocre football team wilson has potential to be very good and some utah fans are actually in love with the pac and not in utah. sad. i missed the game on tv, what station was it on and will it be replayed?

  • Not from Utah Spring, TX
    Oct. 20, 2013 3:31 a.m.

    Maybe my math skills are a little rusty, but two missed field goals does not "prove to be the difference" in a game lost by 11 points.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 20, 2013 2:49 a.m.

    The coaches knew the Wilson hand injury was going to be an issue. Utah only threw the ball 9 times in the first half. The game plan? Beat Arizona on the ground. Falling behind with a pick 6 and another interception had Utah playing catch up down 20-7.

    Andy Phillips missed two kicks and Utah had the ball deep in Arizona territory down 28-24 with three minutes left. Just one of those two missed FGs would have given Utah a chip shots FG to take the lead. They could have run down the clock more, knowing they would only need a FG, and Arizona would have had to use timeouts. Then when Arizona would have gotten the ball back, instead of scoring again tying to run out the clock like they did on their last TD, they would have been forced to throw it. Arizona couldn't throw on Utah being one dimensional. The Wildcats strength tonight was the ground game.

  • Vegasbob North Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 20, 2013 1:31 a.m.

    Problem is Chris that you still need to get to .500. 8 and 4 not looking real likely any more. I am thinking maybe 6 and 6. Improvement over last year though. Don't see anyone in the PAC beating Oregon. Hope Wilson is ok to play next game.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 1:01 a.m.

    @Chris B: Good to see you are the first poster on your own team's sight. I agree with your first sentence, but the second sentence is subjective, not objective - it cannot be proven. Hope the Utes and my team, BYU, both go bowling this year. I see where the big cheese of the Fight Hunger Bowl says he hasn't ruled out a BYU-Utah matchup. Maybe we BYU fans and the team can get our revenge, hey!

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Oct. 20, 2013 12:55 a.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Your most objective and perhaps best post of all time - truly onward and upward!

    That said, as good as the Stanford win was, tonight made it look like an anomaly rather than a trend upward. Tonight's performance is the kind of spotty showing we've seen too often the last two years. The defense had too many let downs. Carey running in the open after breaking through the line of scrimmage looked like an exhibition track meet. Tackling on kickoffs was horrible. The secondary gave up too many bombs, as they did against OSU and UCLA.

    We're still behind the curve on talent, overachieving in many respects. I credit the overachievement to good leadership from Coach Whitt. Nobody should be thinking that he's out of his league. I like his objectivity, which will stand us in good stead over the long haul of becoming a consistent contender.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Oct. 20, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    Winning one of four in the Pac-12 so far isn't great, but it isn't time to give up on the Utes yet. I think Utah has improved over last year and it shows, the Utes just need to keep improving! Go Utes!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:59 p.m.

    The Pac 12 is the second best league, and it shows. We beat one of the best teams in the entire nation and then lose to a good Arizona team. Any team that can go at least .500 in the Pac 12 is a very good team and would win any non-BCS league with ease.

    I still love where this program is headed. Whittingham(and Erickson) know what it takes to build top 5 teams and they've both PROVEN they can do it.

    Couldn't be more proud to be a Pac 12 ute.

    Onward and Upward