It doesn't matter how much the students like living there. Federal housing
standards say you can't discriminate on the basis of race, religion or
national origin. Let's say you established an white-only dorm. It would
not matter that if residents "absolutely love it." In the very same way,
these "faith" dorms violate equal protection laws. Students need to
learn with one another of all faiths on equal terms. If they can't do
that, they need to enroll in a religious (non-public) university.
I should have thought that separate dorms for "religious" people would
be welcomed by those who are upset about hearing people talk about God,
commandments etc. This makes me think it is a "witch hunt" by atheists
not simply wanting their own space but forbidding it to others. You can't
have it both ways. Where can students speak freely if not among themselves?When I was residing at university there was no such separation but there
was enforcement of rules forbidding disturbances caused by loud music at any
time of day or night.There was a Christian Union that met freely on
campus, just as Socialist societies etc were free to meet. The latter were
respected but the Christian Union people were dubbed the "God Squad" by
unbelievers. The CU took this in good part, though one Christian challenged an
offensive loudly declared "OMG!!" by one student. He simply asked
"Who IS your God?" Instead of discussing this interesting question the
student froze and faltered: That is a very personal matter. It
seems that some people can be offended but others cannot.I am IN
FAVOR of freedom of speech and free discussion.
The whole point of going to college is to further one's education. It is
next to impossible, for some, to concentrate when they are uncomfortable with
their environment. A student's dorm or room should be a place they can go
to focus on what they came to do in the first place, to study. It also needs to
be their home, since that is what it is for the semester they are there.
Allowing students to be among like minded students with similar values sounds
like a good thing and may over all improve the quality of life and learning
while away at school.
Considering my college experience years ago at the #1 party school at the time,
this would have been a gladly welcomed option.
Campuses are getting so sleazy these days. I'm so grateful I graduated
from BYU. We could practice and express our faith every day.
What a great idea, faith based dorms. We must fight to keep our freedom to
practice religion. This right needs to be broadened through the courts. This
and many other law suits defending our religious freedoms should expand not
limit the First Amendment. Is there a defense fund for the dorms?
The US Constitution guarantees freedom of religion and freedom of speech. That
makes public places, especially public universities, fertile ground where all
religion can flourish, not a sterile environment that must be free from
religion.These faith based dorms require only adherence to
behavioral codes that anyone can choose to follow. They do not require a
religious affiliation or even a proclaimed belief in God to live there. To say
that these dorms are illegal is contradicts federal law.
true blue -I agree completely. I think the Attorney got his statement 180
backwards. The constitution is for the people so they can live the way they deem
best. I go to when the Lord says, the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the
Sabbath. Likewise the constitution was made for man[kind] and not man[kind] for
the constitution. Somehow these people think that freedom from religion means
that the rest of us can't have a place for our religious beliefs anywhere
near where they are. If the students want a place where they can live on campus
free from the large amount of profanity and other filth on campus, then they
should have that option. As a grad student I hear so much profanity it is
appalling. I'm not a lawyer, but maybe you can't lawfully say someone
can't live there based on religious preference. But you sure should be able
to allow students to decide what is appropriate to say, post on walls, and have
a room to worship in a basement. A university may usually be government funded,
but it is a PUBLIC institution that allows the same government freedoms.
I love the interest that The Freedom From Religious Foundation shows in this.
Now, if the shoe was on the other foot here, they would say that true equality
exists. Well, it still does. These schools provide equal housing for all
students. The students then have the choice. All is equal and everyone has the
ability to exercise their own beliefs. What a novel concept. If you want freedom
from religion, don't go to church or watch religious programs. Again, it is
your choice and no one is pushing you one way or the other. There will always be
people of faith and there will always be people without any faith. Live and let
Hutterite is absolutely correct, we should get the military to throw down their
archaic system of uniformitarianism, strip all police officers of their paternal
uniformity, and disband and make illegal all forms of association so that each
individual may wander the world sharing freely each others thoughts and
opinions, unless of course those ideas attract other individuals - then you
would be in violation of our new law. So scratch that last bit, we will just
wander the world lonely, alone, by our selves, not sharing our ideas.I think these dorms are great!
The attorney for FFRF needs to go back and read the constitution. The first
amendment protects religious freedom. It says, "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof" making no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion sounds
like the constitution taking into account what people want.
In every aspect of our lives to we increasingly hope to only see ourselves.