Re: ". . . if Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell hadn’t agreed
with the proposal, there wouldn’t be a reason to thank anyone."Yeah, but I didn't see Sally out looking for ways around the
Democrat shutdown. Did you?So, we're supposed to thank her for
shutting the parks down in the first place, then, doing nothing more than
existing inside the Beltway, so that Gov. Herbert could track her down and
convince her it's in her political interest to play ball?No
thanks.This is just one more graphic illustration of why we need to
get the feds out of the unconcerned, uninvolved, absentee rent-collector
business and return Western lands to the people, just like every other state in
To "JoeBlow" yes, the President has the ability to determine what to
shut down. You see, when no budget is passed, it is the Office of Management
and Budget that determines what to close and what to keep open. The Office of
Management and Budget are part of the Executive Branch, and report to the
President. The President can direct to OMB to close things as he sees fit.
If anything, the government shut down should help conservatives recognize the
value of government and its direct impact on Utah's economy. Too often, I
hear conservatives blast government as unnecessary, wasteful, etc., and yet,
when it is shut down -- services from the issuing of federal gun permits to the
National Parks to civilian employment at military bases -- suddenly are seen as
critical to Utahns' livelihoods and way of life.Hopefully,
cooler heads will prevail. Utahns should write their conservative
representatives and senators and plead with them not to disrupt our government
and economy going forward. The GOP should be the party of business
and little guy -- not the party of economic disruption and government shutdowns
all to stop the little guy from getting affordable healthcare.
How confused we are, nobody but the executive branch closed the national parks.
We hold all thank the republicans for bringing to light the fact that we have to
get serious about what we can and cannot afford. The tea party candidates were
elected to do exactly what they did in trying to bring some sense to the actions
of government.We as a nation cannot afford all that we are trying to be,
there is not enough money to afford all of this. Obamacare is just one more
thing we cannot afford no matter how well intentioned it might be. Some times
people have to take responsibility for themselves.
one vote,Re: "We gave away millions for a few shops and
motels"...The compassion for the people affected is amazing.Re: "How many teachers would that money have hired"...No
teachers were losing their jobs or their pay from the shutdown.The
reason Herbert did it was because the closed parks were effecting the whole
State economy (not just a few local people you don't care about).It was a good investment. And we will probably get every cent back (when the
government opens and pays everybody who didn't work). And even if they
don't... it bring in what we put into it and then some from opening those
communities for business and what tourists will spend in our economy just in
this one weekend alone.Thanks for finding the dark lining though.
"The President is the person who chose what to close, and what to keep open.
"You really think that? So, you think Obama said "bring me
a list of all federally run things and I will highlight the ones I want
closed"I guess when the dislike runs that deep, all logic goes
by the wayside.
We gave away millions for a few shops and motels. Talk about out of control
spending. How many teachers would that money have hired to help education?
Senator Lee caused the unnecessary loss.
To "Diehl Chantryce" don't blame the Tea Party for closing down the
Park Service. That was a choice made by Obama and his administration. During
the shutdown in 1997 the Park Service remained open.The President is
the person who chose what to close, and what to keep open. He did it as
punishment to those who opposed him. He said that he was going to punish those
who opposed him, and has made good on that promise any chance he has been
Who is paying for these billboards? The Reagan billboard company already has the
GOP establishment in Utah in their pockets.
I would agree we need to thank Sally Jewell IF it was her idea. Coming up with the idea and putting it into motion was the active part. Just
saying, "OK, we'll take your money"... was the easy part.Even if she had said "no"... Herbert would still deserve some praise
for even trying. She just said "OK". How hard is that? That said... I don't know how heroic Herbert was either. This was
pretty much a no-brainer. The National Parks should have never been closed.
They PRETEND it was a cost saving measure... but then they spent more to keep
them closed than they would to leave them open. And actually hired people to
keep people out (when they normally wouldn't have anybody there when
it's open). National Parks have never closed in the previous partial
government shutdowns... why this time?Because the administration
wanted to make this shutdown as painful on as many people as possible. THAT is
Tea Party response: But... but Obama = bad!
Excellent comments Diehl. You summed it up perfectly.
My concern is that a small minority are damaging the GOP brand. Unlike some, I
want a strong GOP. We need a reasonable GOP to balance the Democrats.Our system works best when we have divided government run by reasonable
people.And, for the most part, the GOP is reasonable.
Unfortunately, the minority is large enough that the tail can now wag the dog.
(and a large part of the tail, think they ARE the dog)We need a GOP
who would dance at the thought of $10 in spending cuts to $1 of tax increase.Unfortunately, they are forced to play "stupid" to appease the
minority wing of the party.Until that changes, the GOP will