"I think time will tell whether or not this effort was worth it, whether or
not the amount of effort we put into this was justified. "Put
into what.... failure? Lee, you achieved nothing other reinforcing your very
small and localized base, creating division in the Republican party, cost
800,000 families thousands of dollars, and the economy even more. What is it
exactly you think you achieved? Self promotion? Because that is about it.
I doubt any reasonable person thinks this stunt swayed anyone who didn't
already hate ACA, to hating ACA.What a self indulgent comment. Next time you wan to try to roll back ACA, don't do it on the backs
of ordinary citizens...
Who failed are those who give us this Obamacare mess in the first place as we
are presently seeing and will continue to witness as it harms our country's
He just doesn't get it. Of course Obamacare is a disaster and will be
proven to be a disaster. The issue is that Mr.Lee's "odyssey" was
ill-fated from the start and put us now in a position that it will be harder to
do away with the ACA. He has done the country a great harm and has put the real
effort to get at Obamacare further out of reach. Extremism on either side is
dangerous and ineffective. There is a great difference between true
statesmanship and childish tantrums. Mr. Lee needs to learn that difference.
I'm definitely not a fan of the ACA and the rollout has been an online
disaster so far. That being said, if conservatives are going to hang their hats
on the ACA "ending our Nation as we know it" and saddling us with the
burden of "telling our grandchildren of a day before Obamacare, when America
was free" simply because the worst thing they can point to is that the site
has had major rollout issues, then they are most certainly going to continue to
lose this war. The ACA will not destroy America though, thanks to
folks like Lee and Cruz, I am growing increasingly convinced it will destroy the
Republican Party, which makes me optimistic about our future.
You're correct hnoel. How you feel about Obamacare doesn't rally
matter at this point. Lee and his buds put in county's economy in a
tailspin. That is just plain illogical and irresponsible.He is acting
like a junior high boy who isn't getting his way. In fact, the "Tea
Party" sounds like a "cool" name a junior high boy would come up
with for a new club. How can you work on reducing the national debt when the
government is shut down and the economy is tanking because of it Sen. Lee?
24 Billion wasted.
@UtahBlueDevil:"What is it exactly you think you achieved?"He stood up for the constituents that sent him to Washington... In fact,
he stood up for most Americans.
Again, it depends upon your view. We knew that the media (White House
surrogates) would target Republicans as the bad guys and that, no matter the
outcome, Obama would appear the hero. I for one (and I'm not alone) recall
the president saying just a week ago that he refused to negotiate with
Republicans. So much for compromise. Mike Lee has consistently done
what he said he was going to do. And he would be a typical disingenuous
politician if he didn't. I personally appreciate someone who
isn't bullied into compromising his principles. And I'm also grateful
there are a few politicians who (though few in number) believe the government
has too much power and too much control and is spending our nation closer to
ruin, and are willing to stand up and be heard.
I think we should just vote out everyone in Washington. Not one of them showed
much courage to come together and work things out and we'll see over the
next few months if any have learned to have that courage as the debate
I've also heard the figure of $24 Billion bandied around. Can some smart
person confirm that this was lost GDP?
$24 billion dollars wasted in the name of fiscal responsibility.Last-minute secret committee rule changes to prevent votes on bills in the
name of defending the Constitution.Revoking health insurance in
order to "protect" people from Obamacare.Up is down.Left is right.Trying to get Republicans to make any sense
these days is like asking your imaginary friend to be your psychiatrist.
glad to see that our out of state liberal friends have a hard time with Lee.
However, you might want to focus your energy on YOUR senators and their
brilliance and leave us poor backward bumpkins alone. I really do appreciate
your concern about the fate of repubs and conservatives. Knowing that something
is wrong and failing to try and stop it is the coward's way.
The optics for Obama, Reid and the democrats are terrible here.The
"barry-cades" will live on.Reid has become the voice of the party
and he is in way over his head.Conservatives are energized for the 2014
midterms.The ACA roll-out (and sticker shock) will happen as voters are
electing the Congress next year.Reid should have offered a one year waiver
for individuals to get the people past the midterms. Instead the application
failures will be fresh in the memories of the voters.Obama will look back
and note that he won the battle and lost the war.
Utahns made a mistake sending Lee to D.C. We have no one to blame but
How many years of his ineffective leadership do we still have to endure? I wish
we could put together a recall vote and bring him home now.
It's way too early to declare the ACA a failure. Talk to us about it when
it's been running for a year.As someone else has noted, the Tea
Party's attempt to do... what exactly? (They don't even know
themselves.) This has cost our economy $24 billion.All for Ted
Cruz's and Mike Lee's ego. Fire up the (shrinking) far right base,
preach to the rage-addicted choir, and raise a bunch of money.But
look on the bright side. We've been given a glimpse of today's GOP in
action, thus making it extremely unlikely they'll be put in charge of the
government for many years. Maybe that's worth $24B.
What exactly do House Republicans have to show for their power play? The deal
that ended the shutdown was the same one they could have had three weeks ago
before the shutdown began and they've seen their party lose 20 percentage
points in public approval ratings. If this is Mike Lee's idea of a win, he
had better hope and pray he never sees what a GOP defeat looks like.
Senator Lee didn't take on the ACA, the law that many like to call
Obamacare, he did NOTHING. If he wants to be considered an effective senator, he
needs to start doing something. Sure, he has been able to point out his
concerns, but he is also responsible for providing alternatives and solutions.
So, you don't like it, Mr. Lee, you better do something about it other than
shut down the federal government.
Lee can rationalize all he likes and pretend that he is doing good, but he is
not. He is a toxic influence in Washington, showing disdain for our system of
government. His job as Senator is not to take the nation to the brink of
financial disaster, but to propose and move legislative initiatives that he
thinks will help the nation. Extortion, blackmail and obstructionism over a law
passed more than three years ago, upheld by the Supreme Court, and effectively
ratified by the people is the wrong way to govern. Sen. Lee is an embarassment,
and he is bad for Utah and for the country. Utah needs to elect a different
person next time.
IMO, Mike Lee is either a megalomaniac or simply naive. From the days of the
political differences between Jefferson and Adams our country's success has
been built on meaningful compromise. The ACA is a boondoggle but it's the
law of the land; Lee should work responsibly to change it, not go off on
Quixotic, grandstanding, fundraising adventures like his latest gambit. Anyone
who runs against him in 2016 has my vote.
@ BYU Track Star, the number was calculated by Standard & Poor. A simple
Google search will tell you all you need to know. I've also read that
there are other damages beyond what can be tallied: lost business deals,
disrupted reserach, a hit to consumer confidence, and damage to U.S. credibily
in the world. The GOP shutdown was an utter disaster that harmed the nation in
Mike Lee was doing the right thing. The failure and shutdown was clearly caused
by the immoral position taken by the Administration and the democrats (not
worthy of being capitalized) since they were not willing to discuss, negotiate
or consider cutting back on their excessive spending habits. Some of you all
bawl and whine about people losing money or wages because of the government
shutdown, but will you also complain about the hundreds of thousands, probably
millions, who have lost wages and benefits by having their hours cut by their
employers because of the Affordable Care Act? How many billions of dollars has
that cost our economy in the past year? Answer: a lot more than the 24 some
people are crying about.I would much rather be represented by
someone who seeks divine guidance through prayer (Chaffetz) than someone who
would rather push God to the gutter (think of anyone named Obama, most
democrats, or MSNBC, CNN, etc.).
Lee, I know you feel good about "standing up and fighting" for what you
believe...But a True Statesman's not only know "What"
battles he must fight, but also "When" to fight those battles...You lost on both points....
Chaffetz's playing the prayer card is inappropriate. Cloaking himself in
the mantle of religion is inappropriate, particularly when he was voting to deny
health insurance to millions of Americans.
Lee and the rest of the Utah delegation that voted for the continued government
shutdown have demonstrated they cannot govern. The Republican party needs to
find real leaders who can help govern, not just get in the way of the government
functioning. Would one of the Romney boys be interested in running for senate?
How about a pledge to run and not shutdown government from our congressional
delegation? Utah must and can do better. I hope some rational republicans will
step up and run against Lee, Bishop, Stewart, and Chaffetz. Tomorrow can be
better, if we work together.
lee "...said he had no regrets about his role...".$24,000,000,000 flushed out of the American economy while lee continues with
his obsession to abrogate the rule of law.2016 cannot arrive soon
Sen. Lee's folly time and again has been his serious lack of judgment.
While the inability to correctly assess the significance of events is recognized
by most as a definite limitation, others surprisingly consider such a narrow
view of reality as a courageous adherence to principle.In any event,
Sen. Lee's zealous political ideology exposed time and again as a
critically flawed solution to today's problems has got to be troubling. An
inflated sense of self doubtless buoys him in the face of so much justifiable
exasperation.The ideologically driven are unyielding in their
conviction that they alone trod the higher ground. They are the people blindly
hunting witches in Salem, pursuing infidels in religion and now engaged in a
self-righteous crusade against "communists," "socialists," and
all constitutional slackers in government.Attacking others is what
they do best and perversely how they accuse those who might question their out
of focus ways.Unlike some I fail to see the benefit of such
Sen. Lee, Cruz and like colleagues, it will only be a matter of time before the
Dumb Masses will see just how right your are!
A mind is a terrible thing to waste & this forum along with the many
unintelligent posts only proves that there is a strong need for home schooling
laws in Utah! Just because Sean Hannity says it therefore it is truth. Please!
Think for yourself! (@ Worf & anyone else from Texas I'm aware
you're extremely incapable of this!) Just another educated liberal here!
How you cannot be embarrassed for yourself says it all.
I am not a Tea Party member but I do applaud Lee on his sense of integrity. He
did what he campaigned on (no surprises here) - not promise one thing to get
elected and then do something entirely opposite once elected - unlike most of
the career politicians.
Businesses and individuals suffered greatly from the shutdown, and for what?
Politicians somehow found a way to make our government even less efficient than
it was before, as government employees will receive backpay for doing no work
during the shutdown. Seems very disingenuous of our elected
officials who claim to be against taxes to increase the taxpayer burden like
this, especially when it accomplished nothing. And then as an additional kick
in the face of American taxpayers, our elected representatives like LEE who got
us into this mess seem completely oblivious to the lessons that should be
learned from this debacle.We elect Congress to manage our money
wisely, limit our tax burden, and this was most certainly not done with the
shutdown. It's tragic that even after seeing the cost of this fruitless
fight, politicians like Lee just don't get it.
An actual shutdown that was planned to cause damage for unfair leverage. No
leverage and plenty of damage. This cannot be condoned.
It has been said that Mr. Lee raised 250 thousand with his pleas for
contributions, he only has 50 thousand of it left. I, for one, will not be
lectured about finances from the likes of Mr. Lee, nor will I be scolded on my
choice of health care from some one who has socialized health care like Lee.
A couple of things to consider:First, the government would not have
defaulted on its debt. Money is coming in through paycheck deductions regularly.
The 14th amendment requires the president pay the national debt before any other
programs. With out raising the debt ceiling, 1/3rd of current government
programs would have gone unfunded at the president's choice.Second,
Obamacare is a bad law. Perhaps having good intentions, but it is set up to
favor select groups over others with no protection against rising co-pays and
deductibles. Premiums would be held in check by the requirement of the insurance
companies to payback premiums if profits exceed a certain percentage if the
companies were fair about it. They won't be. They will use all kinds of
accounting tricks to hide their profits. The only thing to prevent cost gouging
would be a free market. Since we are required by law now to have insurance, let
the gouging begin. We have seen what oil and gas companies have done with their
supposedly market driven prices. There is price fixing throughout that industry
even though it is "illegal".
I support Lee in his fight against Obamacare. Now, he needs to get out there
and insist that there be a blanket adherence to the law, including Congress and
BO. Keep fighting it, keep it in the news, make those who rammed it down our
throats keep answering. We can't afford to let this abomination go
Keep pushing extreme ideas and extreme leaders, as the more you do, the more
average Americans and even true conservatives, reject you. That's right,
just keep digging your own holes deeper. Soon, no one living on the surface of
reality will even see you. Prop up Cruz and Lee. Keep feeding those huge egos.
Keep falling prey to the false-consensus effect. Keep making outrageous claims
about Obama. Keep being irrationally angry and hostile. Just keep being
yourselves and your movement toward irrelevance will be assured. Keep loving the
fantasy America in your heads, and hating the real America that you live in.
Thank you for showing the country and the world exactly who you are. Thank you
for reinforcing the absolute necessity of moderation in governance. Thank you
for making it obvious to everyone outside your echo chamber just how shrill the
noises you make are. Keep it up Tea Party!
I'm puzzled. Should we have waited to see if Hitler's ideas would
bare fruit before stopping him? The question isn't whether Obamacare
should be given time to work. The question is still whether Socialism,
government tyranny, and one step closer to another despot is the right thing.
Where are the real men and leaders in this country? Certainly not found with
those advocating socialism.
@bandersen: the hyperbole about Hitler, socialism, tyrrany, and despots is why
archconservatives have such a hard time being taken seriously. This kind of
rhetoric sounds really dramatic, but it's pretty far removed from reality.
I have a difficult time understanding what Mike Lee thought that he was
accomplishing. He aligned himself with the radicals in the party. He supported
actions that closed down 9 counties in his home state. That shutdown of the
national parks forced his own state to send money, lots of money, to the federal
government to prevent economic disaster for not only individuals, but also for
the entire tourism industry of said state. The state's reputation was on
the line. His actions looked like the worst political grandstanding. It
accomplished nothing other than ruining the reputation of the party that he is a
part of. If the issue really was Obamacare, why not let the facts of life take
over. It is a disaster and will continue to prove to be a disaster. Why not be
wise and bide your time until there is proof that it does not work and you have
enough support to change the law and look good in doing so? A pragmatist
reflects my beliefs. An obstructionist does not.
I really hope that we as Utah Republicans can figure out how to elect people who
are willing to actually do the people's work. If we vote for a narrow
viewed person, we shouldn't be surprised when they refuse to go to work
with the opposite site and figure out how to compromise and negotiate for the
common good. We are the people. There is an old adage about not being able to
please all the people all the time, but I believe if we work hard TOGETHER, the
politicians could make laws that could be pleasing and applicable to the
majority of the people the majority of the time if they would learn how to work
together. Moderate people need to start electing moderate people. We knew Mike
Lee was on the far right. I guess we just didn't care about that on
Hatch's quote is right on. We need adults back in Washington. But adults
make hard choices like not spending money we do not have and not adding a bunch
of regulations to make us feel good which are driving up health care costs.
While Hatch jas been in Washinton, we have added $16, 000, 000, 000, 000 to the
national debt. Yes please lets get a few more adults in Washington. Thank you
Sen. Lee for being one of the few adults in Washington.
Mr. Lee believes wasting taxpayer money on healthcare is wrong but he wasted at
least 24 billion dollars of taxpayer money and somehow that was okay. Please
reimburse the American taxpayers for the money you foolishly threw away. You owe
us 24 billion dollars, might have to get a second job to pay off your debt.