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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 16 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Ranch
Here, UT

Another attempt to force the "one true religion's" prohibitions on society at large.

Pathetic, DN, absolutely pathetic.

Church member
North Salt Lake, UT

I agree Ranch.

Why are they so determined to force other people to follow their belief system?

Shouldn't people have "free agency" to choose how they want to live their life?

Totally pathetic.

NO_SIX
St George, Utah

Come on DN. Go for it -- totally outlaw any drinking in Utah anytime or any place. You know that's what you want

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

a 100 lb woman could reach .05 BAL with one Drink
a 180 lb man can get there with 2 drinks.

I would much rather encounter a person on the road that has had 2 or 3 drinks than a completely sober texter.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The % isn't the problem. It doesn't matter what the limit is (to people who abuse alcohol).

Most Utahns don't drink (obviously they would not drink regardless of this number). Most of those who do drink would not drink at all if they they need to drive (8% or 5%). There's a small fraction of Utahns who think it's wise to drink knowing they need to drive, betting THEY can skirt the legal limit or even exceed it and be OK to drive (because they think these silly rules don't apply to them because they can drive just fine after drinking). To this small percentage of the population the legal level doesn't really matter. They're going to do it whether it's 5% or 8%. The 3 points won't change their behavior.

Same with guns, seatbelts, etc. MOST people don't even have guns. Most people who do wouldn't abuse them. And people who want to abuse guns don't care if it's legal or not.

Seatbelts... Those who understand why we use them will use them regardless of the law. If you won't change to save your life...

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Of course it's been your position for 20 years. You're schilling your opinion for someone else; Ranch hinted at whom.

JSB
Sugar City, ID

Those of you who want to defend drunk driving, explain why to the families of the 39 people that died last year in drug and alcohol related accidents. And trying to blame the effort to reduce the limit on the LDS church is a cop out. Sweden's limit is .02. Is this also some Mormon plot? Accidents can't be totally avoided but when people intentionally place others at risk because of they can't control their drinking, they should have their driving privileges permanently revoked.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Thanks for the weight ratio's Joe, this is totally about imposing sin laws not about safety.
Cell phone users are a far bigger problem, but of course theirs no commandment against that, soooo not a problem.
Here's another Idea, make alternatives to driving available.
Taxi's are a joke in the state, public transportation stops way to early. MADD should do more to keep drunks from driving instead of just trying to catch them after it's to late, since they're already driving at that point.

Trains run special hours for conference.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Who cares if you drink alcohol? Just don't drive drunk! Has nothing to do with "religion" and everything to do with safety. By the way, why would anyone with a brain drink alcohol? Why not just hit yourself in the head with a hammer everyday? The effect are about the same and think of the money and lives you could save! If you have no brain, drink all you want and destroy what little you have left, but just don't drive because the rest of us don't want to be your next victim.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@Happy Valley
Amen about the taxi's and trains. I don't know if you can't hail a cab in SLC or if they just won't stop but hailing a cab doesn't work, and calling them at 2 on a weekend means your waiting 45 minutes to an hour and a half for a cab to show up. I really don't want to leave the bar at 9 to catch a bus or 10 for a train either. The bar is open until 2. UTA should really run at least one train at the end of the night on Friday or Saturday to take drunks home. You pretty much have to have a DD and make someone sit the night out because actually getting home using cabs or UTA is a joke.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Happy Valley Heretic,

Re: "this is totally about imposing sin laws not about safety"...

If this were just about evil Mormons imposing sin laws on you... they would outlaw drinking period (not just a limit on the legal level to drive).

If it wasn't about safety... the limit would be all the time (not just when you are driving).

No... DUI laws are NOT an evil Mormon plot. We have DUI laws in every State in the United States (not sin laws, safety laws).

IMO the % is irrelevant. And no... they are not just trying to keep you from sinning. And DUI laws ARE about safety (not just about preventing you from doing what you want).

Why would you WANT to drink and drive???

And why would you assume DUI laws (which we have in every State) are just Mormon sin laws?

If this were just a sin law... it would outlaw drinking all together (not just when driving). Since it only impacts the level allowed when driving... I think it IS about safety.

Why run the trains at 2:00 AM just for drunks? They mostly run empty already at 10:00. We have Taxis you know...

dave
Park City, UT

This is way beyond absurd. You will fill jails and use police resources arresting people that are no danger to themselves or others'.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Dave. Drink all you want, just stay off the highways! Problem solved for you and other drivers and their passengers.

dave
Park City, UT

Mountanman

That was a leap in logic. I never espoused drinking and driving. I support reasonable restrictions. The .05 is in no way reasonable.

2 bit
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Happy Valley Heretic,

Re: "Trains run special hours for conference"...

Those trains are also PACKED (and UTA MAKES money running those full trains). Do you think the 2:00 AM train is going to be as packed with drunks as the trains they run on Conference weekends to help limit traffic congestion??

The decision to run special trains on conference weekends makes economic sense. I don't know if it makes as much sense to run trains until 2:00 every night in case drunks need a ride and they can't wait for a Taxi.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

2 bit said: "Those trains are also PACKED (and UTA MAKES money running those full trains). Do you think the 2:00 AM train is going to be as packed with drunks as the trains they run on Conference weekends to help limit traffic congestion??"

Is it about safety or profit? I see profit is the motivator for conservatives...again.
We pay extra overtime on new years and other holidays to bust folks why not allocate some of that fishing trip money to preventative actions?

.05 is no where near intoxicated, ask a cop not a religious leader.

Ranch
Here, UT

@2 bits;

You bet your booty that it's about "sin". If it weren't you'd see the legislature outlaw texting and phoning while driving, but that's something they like to do, so it won't make it to the floor.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Ranch" wow, you and your chronies really have an axe to grind here.

First of all, this does NOTHING to change the drinking laws in Utah. You can still go to your favorite watering hole and get plastered with whatever they serve.

All this does it lower the legal blood alcohol levels to a point where other nations have found that the number of accidents was significantly decreased. This has nothing to do with any church or religion, but is using safety data gathered in Europe as some nations adopted the lower blood alcohol levels.

Utah is not the leader in this. Read "States Urged to Cut Limit on Alcohol for Drivers" in the NY Times. The .05 level is a recommendation by the National Transportation Safety Board.

Why are the liberals here blaming the LDS church for something recommended by the Federal Government?

BostonLDS
Salt lake City, UT

I think personal responsibility alone is what will reduce the amount of drunk drivers on the road! Even if the law does change to .05% there are still going to be those who decide to drink and drive regardless. I am frequently DD for my friends who drink, as I live downtown and am happy to drive them home if need be, but I can only do this if they call. Thank goodness they do. Laws can change but people won't. Those who drive drunk will continue to do so, and I will be surprised if the amount of accidents reduce if they do pass this law.

donahoe
NSL, UT

If the issue is public safety, then discuss other more risky driving behaviors such as using cell phones or driving through red lights (both epidemic in Utah). But this is not really about safety is it.

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